Jussie Smollet: or, How Narratives Unravel

[Scomagia]

I mean sounds to me like he’s trying to make himself more relevant with a crime story. Normally I’d say this is just something we laugh about and move on but I’d say if he did make it up slap a fine on him for wasting police resources on it
That’s pretty much it

You think a fine would be more appropriate than jail time?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean sounds to me like he’s trying to make himself more relevant with a crime story. Normally I’d say this is just something we laugh about and move on but I’d say if he did make it up slap a fine on him for wasting police resources on it
That’s pretty much it

You think a fine would be more appropriate than jail time?

If you put him in jail that wastes more money on it
He pays a fine he can make up for the resources wasted
Misuse of police resources always seemed more a fine then jail to me

[Scomagia]

You think a fine would be more appropriate than jail time?

If you put him in jail that wastes more money on it
He pays a fine he can make up for the resources wasted
Misuse of police resources always seemed more a fine then jail to me

Except that spending money on reprimanding him isn't a waste; it's a proper use of resources to imprison criminals.

[Fartsniffage]

If you put him in jail that wastes more money on it
He pays a fine he can make up for the resources wasted
Misuse of police resources always seemed more a fine then jail to me

Except that spending money on reprimanding him isn't a waste; it's a proper use of resources to imprison criminals.

Reprimand and not rehabilitate?

[Vassenor]

Except that spending money on reprimanding him isn't a waste; it's a proper use of resources to imprison criminals.

Reprimand and not rehabilitate?

For some reason in the US prison is about punishment, not rehabilitation. It's one of the reasons why the recidivism rate is so high.

[Scomagia]

Except that spending money on reprimanding him isn't a waste; it's a proper use of resources to imprison criminals.

Reprimand and not rehabilitate?

In either case the result is the same. Either you spend money to reprimand or you spend money to rehabilitate. A fine for a man of his means isn't going to achieve either.

[Internationalist Bastard]

If you put him in jail that wastes more money on it
He pays a fine he can make up for the resources wasted
Misuse of police resources always seemed more a fine then jail to me

Except that spending money on reprimanding him isn't a waste; it's a proper use of resources to imprison criminals.

By why spend more money on a crime of wasting money
Just easier to slap on a fine

[Internationalist Bastard]

Reprimand and not rehabilitate?

In either case the result is the same. Either you spend money to reprimand or you spend money to rehabilitate. A fine for a man of his means isn't going to achieve either.

Meh, then throw him in jail
Seems a waste to me

[Kowani]

So what messages were being specifically pushed?

The message that other side is bad. Media on both sides of the political spectrum do this thing where as soon as a story comes up like this they don´t fully investigate it and instead use it to talk shit about the other side.

I mean, there was a 16 day difference between the police saying it might be a hoax and the story coming out. Fully investigating might be a bit hard.

[Fartsniffage]

Reprimand and not rehabilitate?

In either case the result is the same. Either you spend money to reprimand or you spend money to rehabilitate. A fine for a man of his means isn't going to achieve either.

Not really. If it turns out that he lied then do you think he's going to do it again?

[Scomagia]

Except that spending money on reprimanding him isn't a waste; it's a proper use of resources to imprison criminals.

By why spend more money on a crime of wasting money
Just easier to slap on a fine

Because the crime is bigger than the mere resources wasted?

[Scomagia]

In either case the result is the same. Either you spend money to reprimand or you spend money to rehabilitate. A fine for a man of his means isn't going to achieve either.

Not really. If it turns out that he lied then do you think he's going to do it again?

Do this specifically? Probably not, although that would be true even if nothing was done to him. Do you think, then, that filing a false report shouldn't merit a response? After all, being caught doing it once is likely to make you not do it again. By your logic no response is needed at all, even a fine. Seems pretty slippery, to me.

[Fartsniffage]

Not really. If it turns out that he lied then do you think he's going to do it again?

Do this specifically? Probably not, although that would be true even if nothing was done to him. Do you think, then, that filing a false report shouldn't merit a response? After all, being caught doing it once is likely to make you not do it again. By your logic no response is needed at all, even a fine. Seems pretty slippery, to me.

Most people who file a false police report aren't in the media spotlight. In my opinion the point of judicial punishment is to prevent one from repeating the crime. If that can be a thing without spending a fortune on trials and then imprisonment then why not?

[Scomagia]

Do this specifically? Probably not, although that would be true even if nothing was done to him. Do you think, then, that filing a false report shouldn't merit a response? After all, being caught doing it once is likely to make you not do it again. By your logic no response is needed at all, even a fine. Seems pretty slippery, to me.

Most people who file a false police report aren't in the media spotlight. In my opinion the point of judicial punishment is to prevent one from repeating the crime. If that can be a thing without spending a fortune on trials and then imprisonment then why not?

I would disagree and say the point of judicial punishment is to deter one from reoffending and to set an example to deter others from doing the same. Anyhow, my point remains. He's not going to do it again regardless of what is done to him so, by your own logic, no punishment whatsoever is necessary. Essentially, he gets to abuse the legal system for PR without legal consequence. That seems right to you?

[Fartsniffage]

Most people who file a false police report aren't in the media spotlight. In my opinion the point of judicial punishment is to prevent one from repeating the crime. If that can be a thing without spending a fortune on trials and then imprisonment then why not?

I would disagree and say the point of judicial punishment is to deter one from reoffending and to set an example to deter others from doing the same. Anyhow, my point remains. He's not going to do it again regardless of what is done to him so, by your own logic, no punishment whatsoever is necessary. Essentially, he gets to abuse the legal system for PR without legal consequence. That seems right to you?

So you want to punish him, not rehabilitate him.

And like you said, he's a man of means. A fine that repays any costs he has incurred to the legal system seems appropriate.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I would disagree and say the point of judicial punishment is to deter one from reoffending and to set an example to deter others from doing the same. Anyhow, my point remains. He's not going to do it again regardless of what is done to him so, by your own logic, no punishment whatsoever is necessary. Essentially, he gets to abuse the legal system for PR without legal consequence. That seems right to you?

So you want to punish him, not rehabilitate him.

And like you said, he's a man of means. A fine that repays any costs he has incurred to the legal system seems appropriate.

Might as well fine him for the cost of the investigation and be done with it.

Imprisoning him would only mean more money wasted on a man whose already uselessly wasted a lot already.

[Scomagia]

So you want to punish him, not rehabilitate him.

And like you said, he's a man of means. A fine that repays any costs he has incurred to the legal system seems appropriate.

Might as well fine him for the cost of the investigation and be done with it.

Imprisoning him would only mean more money wasted on a man whose already uselessly wasted a lot already.

It isn't a waste of money to use a budget for the purposes for which it is meant to be used.

[Scomagia]

I would disagree and say the point of judicial punishment is to deter one from reoffending and to set an example to deter others from doing the same. Anyhow, my point remains. He's not going to do it again regardless of what is done to him so, by your own logic, no punishment whatsoever is necessary. Essentially, he gets to abuse the legal system for PR without legal consequence. That seems right to you?

So you want to punish him, not rehabilitate him.

And like you said, he's a man of means. A fine that repays any costs he has incurred to the legal system seems appropriate.

I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.

I can't say I'm familiar with the relevant statutes but I doubt the maximum fine is actually going to cover the costs of the initial investigation, the subsequent investigation, and trial.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I'm, uh, not sure if you've been following but the guy who got attacked set the entire thing up.

I know. just like the MAGA kids who were forced into mocking the vietnam vet.

That situation is not relevant here. Moreover, the information about this case really doesnt support Smollet's claims and it is rapidly falling apart. Unless you somehow think this is all a conspiracy by people in red hats to silence Smollet or something.

[Vassenor]

I know. just like the MAGA kids who were forced into mocking the vietnam vet.

That situation is not relevant here. Moreover, the information about this case really doesnt support Smollet's claims and it is rapidly falling apart. Unless you somehow think this is all a conspiracy by people in red hats to silence Smollet or something.

Given the recent revelations regarding collusion between police forces and the far-right, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

[US-SSR]

If only there were as thorough investigations every time an unarmed black man is shot by a cop...

[Western Vale Confederacy]

That situation is not relevant here. Moreover, the information about this case really doesnt support Smollet's claims and it is rapidly falling apart. Unless you somehow think this is all a conspiracy by people in red hats to silence Smollet or something.

Given the recent revelations regarding collusion between police forces and the far-right, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

Somebody who mocks other people for believing in conspiracy theories suddenly believes in conspiracy theories..

Conceptualize my bewilderment.

[Vassenor]

Given the recent revelations regarding collusion between police forces and the far-right, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

Somebody who mocks other people for believing in conspiracy theories suddenly believes in conspiracy theories..

Conceptualize my bewilderment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-official-texts-show-collusion-between-police-far-right-extremists-n971926

Or, you know...

[Sicaris]

I'm, uh, not sure if you've been following but the guy who got attacked set the entire thing up.

I know. just like the MAGA kids who were forced into mocking the vietnam vet.

strawman intensifies

[Bezkoshtovnya]

That situation is not relevant here. Moreover, the information about this case really doesnt support Smollet's claims and it is rapidly falling apart. Unless you somehow think this is all a conspiracy by people in red hats to silence Smollet or something.

Given the recent revelations regarding collusion between police forces and the far-right, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case.

If I remember right that was one incident involving a single high ranking officer in the Portland area. This does not now translate to every police precinct being in league with their local Klan or somehow make that a very likely scenario across the country.