AnimeGate

[Dumb Ideologies]

I wasn't aware Terry Crews apparently isn't a celebrity.

So are we trying to erase examples of male victims participating in #MeToo and being supported in the endeavour?

There has been a fair amount of "no, this is for women" blowback about men using the hashtag. That makes it problematic to simply support without caveats because then you're complicit in privileging some victims and silcencing others along gendered lines.

[New haven america]

So are we trying to erase examples of male victims participating in #MeToo and being supported in the endeavour?

There has been a fair amount of "no, this is for women" blowback about men using the hashtag.

The guy who accused Mariah Carey of sexual misconduct barely got any attention.

Of course, considering Mariah Carey's already a bit of a twat, I honestly think the reason that didn't get any bigger was because no one was surprised.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

While I would love to see this sink anime so no more of that junk is produced I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s done anything.
And with the claims of manufactured evidence anything actual that does come out will be suspect.
And if someone can prove manufactured evidence is true than those producing it should be jailed for a long long time.

[Purpelia]

If some people weren't degenerate enough to watch dubbed anime, this wouldn't have happened. Just saying.

This. Dubbed anime is almost always also butchered to make it more child friendly thus making it the equivalent of painting pants on Michelangelo's David and than taking the privates off with a chisel. You just don't watch that unless you are a small child that does not know better or are desperate.

[Vassenor]

While I would love to see this sink anime so no more of that junk is produced I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s done anything.
And with the claims of manufactured evidence anything actual that does come out will be suspect.
And if someone can prove manufactured evidence is true than those producing it should be jailed for a long long time.

I don't get the logic that random internet commenters are in some way entitled to the evidence.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

While I would love to see this sink anime so no more of that junk is produced I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s done anything.
And with the claims of manufactured evidence anything actual that does come out will be suspect.
And if someone can prove manufactured evidence is true than those producing it should be jailed for a long long time.

I don't get the logic that random internet commenters are in some way entitled to the evidence.

Unfortunately some of us are well rounded enough to accept he should be treated as innocent until we, or a court, see the evidence.

I’m also going to remember this post next time you scream “where’s the evidence” at something you don’t like.

[Vassenor]

I don't get the logic that random internet commenters are in some way entitled to the evidence.

Unfortunately some of us are well rounded enough to accept he should be treated as innocent until we, or a court, see the evidence.

I’m also going to remember this post next time you scream “where’s the evidence” at something you don’t like.

Reminder that he was only let go by Funimartion after a proper investigation. I'd say that means the evidence holds up.

[Vassenor]

And what would be the motivation for fabricating these accusations, anyway?

[Saiwania]

This. Dubbed anime is almost always also butchered to make it more child friendly thus making it the equivalent of painting pants on Michelangelo's David and than taking the privates off with a chisel. You just don't watch that unless you are a small child that does not know better or are desperate.

This might've been true from the 1980s to around the early 2000s but not so much anymore, the internet has changed the anime and voice industries. It is now mostly accurate (with very minor or slighter changes for localization) and is at a fairly high level generally speaking. I've no complaints about the dubs that're available now and for a lot of animes I'll outright admit it, I prefer dub voices to the Japanese ones. I'm not one to adopt the weeaboo position on this.

A dub if done particularly well or accurately, can have just as much merit as the original. In some rarer cases, I enjoy the English dialogue more so than the Japanese dialogue. Particularly if a certain meme of Japanese culture is too Japan centric or simply doesn't translate well to a western audience.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Unfortunately some of us are well rounded enough to accept he should be treated as innocent until we, or a court, see the evidence.

I’m also going to remember this post next time you scream “where’s the evidence” at something you don’t like.

Reminder that he was only let go by Funimartion after a proper investigation. I'd say that means the evidence holds up.

I wouldn’t, that could easily, and much more probable, be that he wasn’t worth the storm.

[Purpelia]

This. Dubbed anime is almost always also butchered to make it more child friendly thus making it the equivalent of painting pants on Michelangelo's David and than taking the privates off with a chisel. You just don't watch that unless you are a small child that does not know better or are desperate.

This might've been true from the 1980s to around the early 2000s but not so much anymore, the internet has changed the anime and voice industries. It is now mostly accurate (with very minor or slighter changes for localization) and is at a fairly high level generally speaking. I've no complaints about the dubs that're available now and for a lot of animes I'll outright admit it, I prefer dub voices to the Japanese ones. I'm not one to adopt the weeaboo position on this.

A dub if done particularly well or accurately, can have just as much merit as the original. In some rarer cases, I enjoy the English dialogue more so than the Japanese dialogue. Particularly if a certain meme of Japanese culture is too Japan centric or simply doesn't translate well to a western audience.

But do they still cut down on the sexual and violent themes? I have for example seen versions of anime where blood and death are censored out entirely to not scare the kiddies. And I don't want to ever see them again.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

And what would be the motivation for fabricating these accusations, anyway?

They are extremist reptilian overlords playing with a toy.

And since it’s your thing, you should probably accept it since as an internet commentator you don’t think you should have access to my evidence of that.

[Vassenor]

And what would be the motivation for fabricating these accusations, anyway?

They are extremist reptilian overlords playing with a toy.

And since it’s your thing, you should probably accept it since as an internet commentator you don’t think you should have access to my evidence of that.

So you're just jumping straight to extreme positions in a stumbling attempt to make a point.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

They are extremist reptilian overlords playing with a toy.

And since it’s your thing, you should probably accept it since as an internet commentator you don’t think you should have access to my evidence of that.

So you're just jumping straight to extreme positions in a stumbling attempt to make a point.

Yeah.

Did you actually get the point?

[Purpelia]

They are extremist reptilian overlords playing with a toy.

And since it’s your thing, you should probably accept it since as an internet commentator you don’t think you should have access to my evidence of that.

So you're just jumping straight to extreme positions in a stumbling attempt to make a point.

Hyperbole aside he is right though. The way the media and now internet condemn people with no evidence and with no trial is contemptible at best and ruins lives. And we should not participate in that on moral grounds preferring instead to let the actual legitimate legal system run its course.

[Vassenor]

So you're just jumping straight to extreme positions in a stumbling attempt to make a point.

Yeah.

Did you actually get the point?

That you're refusing to even try and argue in good faith? Yes.

So you're just jumping straight to extreme positions in a stumbling attempt to make a point.

Hyperbole aside he is right though. The way the media and now internet condemn people with no evidence and with no trial is contemptible at best and ruins lives. And we should not participate in that on moral grounds preferring instead to let the actual legitimate legal system run its course.

So what is the actual motivation here then?

[Saiwania]

But do they still cut down on the sexual and violent themes? I have for example seen versions of anime where blood and death are censored out entirely to not scare the kiddies. And I don't want to ever see them again.

The TV version, probably- depending on what station its broadcast for. But there is usually an uncut dubbing done for DVDs or online distribution and so forth. Anime from the "old days" however, that probably isn't getting redone unless there is a financial interest in doing so.

From the 1980s to around 2005, was the golden age for dubbing companies to heavily censor or edit animes because it was just assumed that it is purely for the kids and broadcasting executives didn't care because chances are they'd still get the ratings; what with online video not yet posing any major competition.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Yeah.

Did you actually get the point?

That you're refusing to even try and argue in good faith? Yes.

Hyperbole aside he is right though. The way the media and now internet condemn people with no evidence and with no trial is contemptible at best and ruins lives. And we should not participate in that on moral grounds preferring instead to let the actual legitimate legal system run its course.

So what is the actual motivation here then?

Using hyperbole to point out why your trash statement is trash isn’t failing to argue in good faith.
It’s exactly what it looks like. Pointing out trash.

[Prunasia]

Whatever happen to innocent until proven guilty?

It gets lynched every time a celebrity is the accused.

[Vassenor]

Whatever happen to innocent until proven guilty?

Anyone who makes an accusation is considered guilty until proven innocent of making that accusation falsely and maliciously, yes.

[New haven america]

If some people weren't degenerate enough to watch dubbed anime, this wouldn't have happened. Just saying.

This. Dubbed anime is almost always also butchered to make it more child friendly thus making it the equivalent of painting pants on Michelangelo's David and than taking the privates off with a chisel. You just don't watch that unless you are a small child that does not know better or are desperate.

No it isn't.

You're confusing dubbed anime with TV aired anime, which does tend to be censored unless aired on late-night blocks like Toonami, the DVD's and BD's on the other hand never are. (Also, if you think this is purely an American/Canadian only problem, you'd be sorely mistaken, Japan does it just as much when airing shows in order to give viewers an incentive to by the BD's as that's how most anime studios make money from the show. BTW, as of 2012 tv aired anime in Japan can be even more censored than their dubbed counterparts due to the Japanese gov. placing new restrictions on them after they viewed them as getting out of hand)

[New haven america]

Whatever happen to innocent until proven guilty?

Anyone who makes an accusation is considered guilty until proven innocent of making that accusation falsely and maliciously, yes.

Not anyone, no.

Remember, the #MeToo side is winning. But why acknowledge that when you could spout false information instead...?

[Purpelia]

So what is the actual motivation here then?

To point out that we shouldn't take sides in a court case until such a time that the courts have decided on which side is right. Duh.

The TV version, probably- depending on what station its broadcast for. But there is usually an uncut dubbing done for DVDs or online distribution and so forth. Anime from the "old days" however, that probably isn't getting redone unless there is a financial interest in doing so.

From the 1980s to around 2005, was the golden age for dubbing companies to heavily censor or edit animes because it was just assumed that it is purely for the kids and broadcasting executives didn't care because chances are they'd still get the ratings; what with online video not yet posing any major competition.

Yea well growing up all I had was TV anime. So that explains things. It definitively permanently soured me on western dubs of anime.

[New haven america]

So what is the actual motivation here then?

To point out that we shouldn't take sides in a court case until such a time that the courts have decided on which side is right. Duh.

The TV version, probably- depending on what station its broadcast for. But there is usually an uncut dubbing done for DVDs or online distribution and so forth. Anime from the "old days" however, that probably isn't getting redone unless there is a financial interest in doing so.

From the 1980s to around 2005, was the golden age for dubbing companies to heavily censor or edit animes because it was just assumed that it is purely for the kids and broadcasting executives didn't care because chances are they'd still get the ratings; what with online video not yet posing any major competition.

Yea well growing up all I had was TV anime. So that explains things. It definitively permanently soured me on western dubs of anime.

You didn't see any of the late-night blocks like CN/Adult Swim's Toonami or Saturday Anime? Or Sci-Fi's Ani-Monday?

They were almost never censored...

[Glayji]

This. Dubbed anime is almost always also butchered to make it more child friendly thus making it the equivalent of painting pants on Michelangelo's David and than taking the privates off with a chisel. You just don't watch that unless you are a small child that does not know better or are desperate.

This might've been true from the 1980s to around the early 2000s but not so much anymore, the internet has changed the anime and voice industries. It is now mostly accurate (with very minor or slighter changes for localization) and is at a fairly high level generally speaking. I've no complaints about the dubs that're available now and for a lot of animes I'll outright admit it, I prefer dub voices to the Japanese ones. I'm not one to adopt the weeaboo position on this.

A dub if done particularly well or accurately, can have just as much merit as the original. In some rarer cases, I enjoy the English dialogue more so than the Japanese dialogue. Particularly if a certain meme of Japanese culture is too Japan centric or simply doesn't translate well to a western audience.

I mostly watch the original Japanese version with English subtitles but sometimes i have to watch the dubbed anime like when it is on TV or on DVDs althrough I do own some anime DVDs that have the Japanese version with English subtitles