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Given the information that is available, what do you think is more true? Vic Mignogna is...

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:35 pm

Normally this incident is minor enough in scope to not be considered "thread worthy" from my perspective. But I get the sense that this forum would care about matters such as this, so I figure- why the hell not? Lets discuss this.

Famed anime voice actor Vic Mignogna (the English dub voice of Edward Elric, Obito Uchiha, and Broly, among many other roles) has been fired from Funimation and Rooster Teeth over sexual harassment allegations.

Dating back to 2008, there have been rumors that he's kissed, groped, and made unwanted comments to fans without their consent, some of whom were underage. Voice actresses Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi are also alleging that he's sexually harassed them before and several if not many different anime conventions are blacklisting him or dis-inviting him from guest appearances.

On the other hand, there has been some evidence that there might be an active conspiracy to have him railroaded out of the industry and that this is all just more #MeToo nonsense that is mostly groundless. Most video evidence that exists seems to be of Vic not being overly sexual in terms of physical contact or hugging people at worst. There is at least one instance of footage that was edited to make him look worse than what actually happened and its purpose was evidently just to smear him. There is some controversy that Monica Rial stands to gain from Vic Mignogna being removed due to the fact that she's inherited many of the roles that Vic Mignogna was going to voice and thus stands to gain from all of this. In a relatively recent photo, Monica Rial seemed to be on good terms with Vic and was all smiles and it comes across as suspicious to a lot of people that she's suddenly having nothing but bad things to say about him now as opposed to before.

The anime crowd on the internet is now dividing into two camps on this issue:

The anti-Vic Mignogna side assumes that he did it and that he's guilty. #KickVic includes Twitter and Pensacon which is an upcoming Anime convention in Pensacola, Florida- which has threatened to trespass anyone who brings up the topic of Vic Mignogna from their premises during the event.

The pro-Vic Mignogna side assumes that he's innocent and that he's being framed. #IStandWithVic includes fervent fans of Vic Mignogna's work and people who aren't convinced by the evidence that is available because the vast majority is only rumor or hear say that can't be verified.

To date, Vic Mignogna has apologized for his behavior, giving the impression that he's guilty to some degree. But some people contend that he's simply too nice and is getting walked all over as a result. So far as the more extreme allegations like molestation go, Vic Mignogna has denied all of it.

Given the information that is available via the internet and media, which do you believe is more true? Are you more inclined to believe that Vic Mignogna is suffering consequences he brought on himself, or that he's a good man being defamed because he wasn't disciplined enough in certain situations or displeased his colleagues too much?

One rumor is that several Voice Actors gave Funimation an ultimatum to fire Vic Mignogna and that they'd quit if they didn't, so Funimation chose to fire Vic Mignogna after a hasty internal investigation that might've or might've not been fair.

Situation:
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In my opinion, nobody can prove that Vic Mignogna has done anything wrong and neither can anyone prove that he's being fired unjustly and that everything was made up. Nobody was there to verify 100% either way, so we'll never really know. People will have to go with whichever information convinces them more in this case.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:17 pm

If some people weren't degenerate enough to watch dubbed anime, this wouldn't have happened. Just saying.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:17 pm

I'm bored of NounGate scandals from the manosphere. Get a new schtick.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:19 pm

USS Monitor wrote:I'm bored of NounGate scandals from the manosphere. Get a new schtick.

I blame the DNC. If they'd picked some place like the Hilton, we wouldn't have "=gate" as a suffix for frickin' everything.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:37 pm

USS Monitor wrote:I'm bored of NounGate scandals from the manosphere. Get a new schtick.


Scandal-san?

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Postby Aeritai » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:49 pm

You got to be joking Vic is a nice guy and the #MeToo movement decides to treat him like that?

Great Vic was a really good dub voice actor for Broly in the new Dragonball movie.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:I'm bored of NounGate scandals from the manosphere. Get a new schtick.

I blame the DNC. If they'd picked some place like the Hilton, we wouldn't have "=gate" as a suffix for frickin' everything.


But then there'd be a -ton suffix. Is AnimeTon really better, Farn, is it?!

If you just wait for a scandal with gate manufacturers to happen so outlets are forced to use "Gategate" and realize how stupid it is it'll go away.
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Postby Bun Queen » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:01 pm

Whatever happen to innocent until proven guilty?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:13 pm

I mean there's like a picture of him caressing a 14 year old fan who asked him for a picture, seems like he probably did it.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:14 pm

USS Monitor wrote:I'm bored of NounGate scandals from the manosphere. Get a new schtick.


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Valrifell wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I blame the DNC. If they'd picked some place like the Hilton, we wouldn't have "=gate" as a suffix for frickin' everything.


But then there'd be a -ton suffix. Is AnimeTon really better, Farn, is it?!

If you just wait for a scandal with gate manufacturers to happen so outlets are forced to use "Gategate" and realize how stupid it is it'll go away.

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Postby Radiatia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:34 pm

You're innocent until proven guilty. I'm not going to speculate beyond that.

If he's found innocent then yes it's another episode in the #MeToo witch hunt, further discrediting that movement and if he's found guilty then he deserves to get what's coming to him and hopefully any victims are taken well care of.

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USS Monitor wrote:I'm bored of NounGate scandals from the manosphere. Get a new schtick.

I for one await the day when there's a controversy surrounding the entrance to Bill Gates mansion being left ajar. Or in other words...

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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:58 pm

Radiatia wrote:You're innocent until proven guilty. I'm not going to speculate beyond that.

If he's found innocent then yes it's another episode in the #MeToo witch hunt, further discrediting that movement and if he's found guilty then he deserves to get what's coming to him and hopefully any victims are taken well care of.


The #MeToo movement has grown overly excessive. Even for me, a slight feminist, this is way too much. Unless there is more actionable evidence, I guess it will be just another episode.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:04 pm

So if I'm reading the OP correctly Vic Mignogna is either a serial rapist who eats babies, or is a saint among men who is being targeted by an evil conspiracy for reasons?

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 pm

Heloin wrote:So if I'm reading the OP correctly Vic Mignogna is either a serial rapist who eats babies, or is a saint among men who is being targeted by an evil conspiracy for reasons?


NSG is where nuance dies, you know.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:05 pm

Heloin wrote:So if I'm reading the OP correctly Vic Mignogna is either a serial rapist who eats babies, or is a saint among men who is being targeted by an evil conspiracy for reasons?


Only a Sith deals in absolutes?

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Postby Heloin » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:08 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Heloin wrote:So if I'm reading the OP correctly Vic Mignogna is either a serial rapist who eats babies, or is a saint among men who is being targeted by an evil conspiracy for reasons?


NSG is where nuance dies, you know.

I have hope that one day people will use critical thinking. I don't know why, but I still have that hope.

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:16 pm

Heloin wrote:So if I'm reading the OP correctly Vic Mignogna is either a serial rapist who eats babies, or is a saint among men who is being targeted by an evil conspiracy for reasons?


I'll admit as much that I love binary choices. Because in part, it forces people to take a strong position on a given issue or topic. One famous saying in life is that "you can't have it both ways." While its possible for Vic Mignogna to have characteristics of both innocence and guilt in this case, I'm also interested in what side someone leans towards if they had to choose one extreme or the other?

Part of making a decision is to usually, to weigh the reasons why and commit to what direction you want to go in.
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Postby Bombadil » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:18 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:If some people weren't degenerate enough to watch dubbed anime, this wouldn't have happened. Just saying.


Agreed, in fact dubbing of any sort is generally a bad thing™
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:18 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:If some people weren't degenerate enough to watch dubbed anime, this wouldn't have happened. Just saying.


Agreed, in fact dubbing of any sort is generally a bad thing™


I personally prefer subbing.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:25 pm

Given that "Vic behaves kinda badly at cons/toward women" has been an open 'secret' for years, coupled with the sheer volume of stories coming out, and coupled with Funimation cutting ties with the guy (given other voice actors have also spoken up, I would guess Funimation's HR department has probably got quite the collection of evidence, complaints, and accounts that Random Joe Public is never going to be privy to,)... maybe not enough information for any legal repercussions, but plenty to merit professional ones. A professional workplace is going to have a far lower standard of evidence than the courts because companies like that want to cut problems like this off before they get bad enough to go to court in the first place.

Sure, some of his conduct could be blamed on simply getting carried away on a convention high, or still acting in ways that might have been acceptable in the convention environment 15+ years ago but are not so today. But the stories coming out aren't just from conventions. Other voice actors have come out with harassment or otherwise inappropriate conduct stories as well, and I doubt those were limited to just the convention environment.

It's disappointing to be sure. Hopefully he learns from this and adjusts his conduct accordingly, but I'm going to guess that he's pretty much out of the anime scene for the foreseeable future. I doubt his ability to earn a living has been compromised too badly, there's plenty of non-anime voice roles out there, even if they aren't as 'glamorous' as some of his previous roles. Commercials, background characters, minor roles that will deliver a paycheck but not necessarily the fame (or the fan interaction.) Maybe once he's been away from the scene for awhile and can prove that he can conduct himself professionally, maybe he'll be able to work his way back into it.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:28 pm

Bombadil wrote:Agreed, in fact dubbing of any sort is generally a bad thing™


It is nonetheless necessary. Certain aspects of Japanese culture isn't going to be understood in every overseas market and the dialogue has to be translated or localized for different audiences. There are cases where the dub can be seen as superior to the sub depending on who you ask. I happen to prefer dubs. Sean Schemmel's Goku sounds like a man, rather than a high pitched kid.

The accuracy of dubbing has arguably gone way up and is pretty good nowadays. Not at all like the old days when censorship and heavy editing was the rule rather than the exception.
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