¡Voto Plus Ultra 2: Boogaloo Eléctrico!(Spanish Election)

[Shrillland]

erm...not exactly a victory. They got the lead, but there's no way for them to form a proper coalition without ERC at this point, which is problematic at best.

What's the ERC?

Republican Left of Catalonia. As the name implies, they're Catalan separatists, and the only major party that was big enough for me to put into the poll. All of the other left-wing regionalist parties combined won't get Sanchez over the top, only ERC can do it, and there's a lot of problems with re-energising the secessionists in Barcelona. Hell, Puidgemont's party got 7 seats, more than was expected. On top of this, the regional elections are next month, and this will make a lot of people in Spain quite nervous.

[Thermodolia]

The pro-Catalan party leans left but would the PSOE really use them to form a majority coalition?

More likely the PSOE and Podemos form a minority government perhaps with some of the "softer" and more constitutionalist regional parties, all the while the ERC occasionally lends support on votes where their goals are similar enough to PSOE's.

A minority government in Spain isn’t possible though. PP, Cs, or Vox would have to abstain from voting which not one of them will do.

[San Lumen]

More likely the PSOE and Podemos form a minority government perhaps with some of the "softer" and more constitutionalist regional parties, all the while the ERC occasionally lends support on votes where their goals are similar enough to PSOE's.

A minority government in Spain isn’t possible though. PP, Cs, or Vox would have to abstain from voting which not one of them will do.

Vox is almost certainly going to be excluded from the government and its my understanding the left won enough seats to form a bare majority

[Shrillland]

A minority government in Spain isn’t possible though. PP, Cs, or Vox would have to abstain from voting which not one of them will do.

Vox is almost certainly going to be excluded from the government and its my understanding the left won enough seats to form a bare majority

Without the regional parties, PSOE and Podemos got 165 seats. 176 are needed for a majority, and the only way they can get one is with ERC, which would be seen as toxic to a lot of Spaniards. Even many leftists won't stand for a coalition government that includes Catalan separatists.

[San Lumen]

Vox is almost certainly going to be excluded from the government and its my understanding the left won enough seats to form a bare majority

Without the regional parties, PSOE and Podemos got 165 seats. 176 are needed for a majority, and the only way they can get one is with ERC, which would be seen as toxic to a lot of Spaniards. Even many leftists won't stand for a coalition government that includes Catalan separatists.

can they exclude them and get a majority government? I find it interesting that all the leaders of the major parties are from Madrid.

[Shrillland]

Without the regional parties, PSOE and Podemos got 165 seats. 176 are needed for a majority, and the only way they can get one is with ERC, which would be seen as toxic to a lot of Spaniards. Even many leftists won't stand for a coalition government that includes Catalan separatists.

can they exclude them and get a majority government? I find it interesting that all the leaders of the major parties are from Madrid.

Not likely. Of all the other regional parties, PNV(Basques) and NA+(Navarrese) are both centre-right while the Canarian Coalition is just Canarian interests. JxCat is also left-wing, but they were the government that actually decalred Catalan independence(most on their list have actually been elected in absentia because they're still in prison). That leaves PRC(Cantabrians), eh Bildu(left Basques) and the Compromise Coalition(Valencians) on the left. Combined with the Canarians, that's 173, still three shy of a majority. Without them, it's 171.

Now, PNV has said that they'll join any government that increases Basque autonomy, while eh Bildu refuses to work with PNV. If we adjust the numbers by removing eh Bildu and adding PNV, it becomes 175 without Canarians, 177 with, so it's possible to do it, but not likely because the other centre-left regional parties might not go with it.

[Thermodolia]

A minority government in Spain isn’t possible though. PP, Cs, or Vox would have to abstain from voting which not one of them will do.

Vox is almost certainly going to be excluded from the government and its my understanding the left won enough seats to form a bare majority

In Spain a minority government must have a simple majority of the seats voting. Meaning that at least one party would have to abstain from voting and basically give their unspoken consent to the government formation.

Vox and PP sure as hell aren’t going to abstain from voting and Cs doesn’t really have the votes to make their abstaining worthwhile

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

PSOE government w/ support from Podemos and various left wing regionalist/nationalist parties seems all but certain, and I'm fairly happy with that result.

Definitely smirking at the PP's massive losses, on account of the PP functions more like a cartel or mafia than a legitimate political party. As for Vox, their under performance is also personally enjoyable to see.

After Rajoy’s fiasco? Nah. PP was going to have massive losses and well deserved.

[MERIZoC]

PSOE won't look for Esquerra's support, they'll promise to give more money to the Basque country and get PNV and EHB to back them up. The whole reason this election happened is because the Catalan parties voted against the budget.

[Shrillland]

After six weeks, Spain still has no goverment. Sanchez's talks with Podemos have resulted in deadlock: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20190610/abalos-asegura-alternativa-investidura-sanchez-repeticion-elecciones/1954420.shtml

Iglesias wants a full-fledged coalition government with Podemos ministers whilst Sanchez wants a PSOE government with Podemos offering C&S. Meanwhile, PNV is threatening to vote against Sanchez in the official vote of confidence while Eh Bildu isn't sure what it will do. All of this because PSOE came in second in Navarrese elections in May, and NA+ is promising to abstain if the national party doesn't put too much effort on putting their regional leader into the presidency.

Sanchez, Iglesias, PP leader Casado, and Cs leader Rivera are meeting today to consider their situation. http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20190607/sanchez-se-reunira-iglesias-rivera-casado-11-junio-para-negociar-investidura/1952820.shtml

If no decision is reached by the end of July, Spain may be going back to the polls by year's end.

[Shrillland]

PSOE's talks with Podemos have finally and definitely broken off: https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-pms-talk-breakdown-raises-171250872.html

It looks increasingly likely that there will be no government and that Spaniards will go back to the polls in September.

[Shrillland]

Sanchez has lost his second confidence vote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-pm-faces-defeat-confidence-vote-coalition-talks-084158604.html

The results were 124 in favour(PSOE plus 1 from PRC), 155 against(PP, Cs, VOX, half of ERC, JxCat, CCa, UPA, and 1 from Unidos Podemos), and 67 abstentions(rest of Unidos Podemos, half of ERC, PNV, EH Bildu, and Compromis)

Having now lost two confidence votes(the last one on Tuesday), the Cortes now has until September 23 to find a new coalition and government president, or Spain returns to the polls on November 10.

I don't think such a coalition is possible. Podemos wants a lot more than their numbers warrant while Sanchez wants Podemos to accept a C&S agreement that's unacceptable to Iglesias.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sanchez has lost his second confidence vote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-pm-faces-defeat-confidence-vote-coalition-talks-084158604.html

The results were 124 in favour(PSOE plus 1 from PRC), 155 against(PP, Cs, VOX, half of ERC, JxCat, CCa, UPA, and 1 from Unidos Podemos), and 67 abstentions(rest of Unidos Podemos, half of ERC, PNV, EH Bildu, and Compromis)

Having now lost two confidence votes(the last one on Tuesday), the Cortes now has until September 23 to find a new coalition and government president, or Spain returns to the polls on November 10.

I don't think such a coalition is possible. Podemos wants a lot more than their numbers warrant while Sanchez wants Podemos to accept a C&S agreement that's unacceptable to Iglesias.

So we’re at a deadlock. Again. I foresee yet another electoral process in November.

[Kowani]

Sanchez has lost his second confidence vote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-pm-faces-defeat-confidence-vote-coalition-talks-084158604.html

The results were 124 in favour(PSOE plus 1 from PRC), 155 against(PP, Cs, VOX, half of ERC, JxCat, CCa, UPA, and 1 from Unidos Podemos), and 67 abstentions(rest of Unidos Podemos, half of ERC, PNV, EH Bildu, and Compromis)

Having now lost two confidence votes(the last one on Tuesday), the Cortes now has until September 23 to find a new coalition and government president, or Spain returns to the polls on November 10.

I don't think such a coalition is possible. Podemos wants a lot more than their numbers warrant while Sanchez wants Podemos to accept a C&S agreement that's unacceptable to Iglesias.

So we’re at a deadlock. Again. I foresee yet another electoral process in November.

Otra vez a las urnas…

[Shrillland]

So we’re at a deadlock. Again. I foresee yet another electoral process in November.

Otra vez a las urnas…

It could be worse...you could be returning to the polls whilst committing national suicide like the Brits.

[Kowani]

Otra vez a las urnas…

It could be worse...you could be returning to the polls whilst committing national suicide like the Brits.

Okay, that’s true.

[Dresderstan]

If Spain does go back to the polls by the end of the year I expect the PSOE to actually make gains against a failing Cs, Podemos just stuck in the low teens ahead of the Cs, and Vox just midling about below 10%. Oh and the PP might make small gains here and there, but it's nothing really.

[Shrillland]

If Spain does go back to the polls by the end of the year I expect the PSOE to actually make gains against a failing Cs, Podemos just stuck in the low teens ahead of the Cs, and Vox just midling about below 10%. Oh and the PP might make small gains here and there, but it's nothing really.

I must agree, PSOE's gone up by about five points in the polls, but they may still need Podemos to form a government. In which case, Iglesias will have to abandon his fantasies of a true coalition just to make sure Spaniards don't have to vote again next year.

[Rojava Free State]

Came here expecting an election discussion thread in spanish. Instead all I got was a thread about Spanish elections

Not cool

[Kowani]

Came here expecting an election discussion thread in spanish. Instead all I got was a thread about Spanish elections

Not cool

Sadly, there’s no Spanish Discussion Thread

[Dresderstan]

Came here expecting an election discussion thread in spanish. Instead all I got was a thread about Spanish elections

Not cool

Sadly, there’s no Spanish Discussion Thread

Make one then.

[Kowani]

Sadly, there’s no Spanish Discussion Thread

Make one then.

I can’t OP for crap.

[Shrillland]

Over a month has passed, and today, the final attempts for a PSOE/Podemos coalition have finally died: https://www.yahoo.com/news/spain-sanchez-withdraws-offer-let-125146425.html

A November 10 re-election is now all but inevitable at this point.

[Anglia-Saxia]

Voted for the PP only because I agree with the majority of it's values. Before say me an corrupt bootlicker,the Spaniards really need an liberal non-corrupt party.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Came here expecting an election discussion thread in spanish. Instead all I got was a thread about Spanish elections

Not cool

Sadly, there’s no Spanish Discussion Thread

Sí lo hay. Busca “noria” en NSG.

Or rather: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=106859&start=8525&hilit=Noria