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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:54 am

Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:
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The title was supposed to say promote, but it got cut off

I am a Hindu, so technically we believe all our gods were once human (except for the universal force of Brahman). How they ascended to a godly position we through being a near perfect human. Therefore, the laws they followed are more important than the gods themselves.


As it should be.

The Eastern religions are for thinkers and the Western Christianity and Islam is for those who have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance and idol worship a genocidal son murdering God.

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Postby Risottia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:01 pm

Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:What is more important; Gods or the laws you think they promote?

Both are completely meaningless.
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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:51 pm

Risottia wrote:
Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:What is more important; Gods or the laws you think they promote?

Both are completely meaningless.


Not to the gays and women that are oppressed by those who believe in their homophobic and misogynous religions.

Do you live by the Golden Rule? I think it tell you to not take it as meaningless if you care for others.

Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:52 pm

Risottia wrote:
Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:What is more important; Gods or the laws you think they promote?

Both are completely meaningless.

Well, there was that one time you, me and Iffy dressed Gallo up like Jupiter and he started dictating laws to the Senate in Rome. :)
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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:54 pm

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As it should be.

The Eastern religions are for thinkers and the Western Christianity and Islam is for those who have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance and idol worship a genocidal son murdering God.

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Not when it is a true statement. I will be P C though and try to remember to say most or nearly all.

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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:58 pm

Geneviev wrote:The laws of God are more important than the laws of man, but God commands people to follow the laws of man when they don't contradict God's law.

As for prom, I would like to know what God has to say about that. The Bible isn't very clear on the subject. :p


Most of secular laws contradict the laws of God when it comes to penalties, yet Christians never do anything about that so I think you are way off base on what you put.

Here are a couple of examples of where Christians just let things that contradict their laws slide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2_LqOS3uo

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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:01 pm

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Oh Lord, here we go again.

Neither. In my eyes there is no difference between the Laws of Man and the Laws of God; they are one in the same.


Are you suggesting that, like the King David son torture and murder by God story, is something a secular law enforcer would do?

I cannot see secular law being that callous and insane.

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Postby Geneviev » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:07 pm

Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The laws of God are more important than the laws of man, but God commands people to follow the laws of man when they don't contradict God's law.

As for prom, I would like to know what God has to say about that. The Bible isn't very clear on the subject. :p


Most of secular laws contradict the laws of God when it comes to penalties, yet Christians never do anything about that so I think you are way off base on what you put.

Here are a couple of examples of where Christians just let things that contradict their laws slide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2_LqOS3uo

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The things in that video belong to the ceremonial law that Jesus fulfilled. Also, when something contradicts God's law Christians will generally do something about it.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:16 pm

The laws that a God promotes. God could be Danny DeVito but if his laws were moral and just, then there is reason to support him.
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Postby Clarissa the Happy and Cheerful Robot » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:20 pm

The South Falls wrote:The laws that a God promotes. God could be Danny DeVito but if his laws were moral and just, then there is reason to support him.


"I'm the trashman!" If he is God, I'm sure his morals will be pretty awesome. :P

That aside, I generally think both have the same importance. Some laws have to be ditched overtime due to the changing landscape of humanity, but God seems pretty important for everyone to not forget.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:22 pm

Clarissa the Happy and Cheerful Robot wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The laws that a God promotes. God could be Danny DeVito but if his laws were moral and just, then there is reason to support him.


"I'm the trashman!" If he is God, I'm sure his morals will be pretty awesome. :P

That aside, I generally think both have the same importance. Some laws have to be ditched overtime due to the changing landscape of humanity, but God seems pretty important for everyone to not forget.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:54 pm

Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:
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Not when it is a true statement. I will be P C though and try to remember to say most or nearly all.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:23 pm

Geneviev wrote:The laws of God are more important than the laws of man, but God commands people to follow the laws of man when they don't contradict God's law.

As for prom, I would like to know what God has to say about that. The Bible isn't very clear on the subject. :p


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Postby Risottia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:32 pm

Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:
Risottia wrote:Both are completely meaningless.


Not to the gays and women that are oppressed by those who believe in their homophobic and misogynous religions.

Do you live by the Golden Rule? I think it tell you to not take it as meaningless if you care for others.

Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

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The effects humans produce through the use of fiction on human society are another story. Do not mistake the one for the other. Humans are real, gods and "their" laws aren't.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:35 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Both are completely meaningless.

Well, there was that one time you, me and Iffy dressed Gallo up like Jupiter and he started dictating laws to the Senate in Rome. :)

Hey, I was dressed as Mercury, and yea, messing with the minds of mortals is fun.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The laws of God are more important than the laws of man, but God commands people to follow the laws of man when they don't contradict God's law.

As for prom, I would like to know what God has to say about that. The Bible isn't very clear on the subject. :p


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Postby The South Falls » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:45 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Keep room for Jesus!

Jesus is dessert?

He a snacc

and me saying that has now gone against his will, praise him
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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:04 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Most of secular laws contradict the laws of God when it comes to penalties, yet Christians never do anything about that so I think you are way off base on what you put.

Here are a couple of examples of where Christians just let things that contradict their laws slide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2_LqOS3uo

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The things in that video belong to the ceremonial law that Jesus fulfilled. Also, when something contradicts God's law Christians will generally do something about it.


I see some self deception at work in you.

Jesus had a no divorce policy. I do not see Christians trying to get that immoral idiocy put as the law of the land.

It deals with love and Christians are more interested in showing hate with their homophobic and misogynous teachings.

Note how they try to put the religious freedom issues, which they denied others with their inquisitions, above the right of gays to be just as much of a citizen as thee Christians that would have them be second class citizens.

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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:06 pm

The South Falls wrote:The laws that a God promotes. God could be Danny DeVito but if his laws were moral and just, then there is reason to support him.


Logical.

I guess that Christians do not see those laws as moral and just as they are not advocating to have them as the law of the land.

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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:10 pm

Clarissa the Happy and Cheerful Robot wrote:
The South Falls wrote:The laws that a God promotes. God could be Danny DeVito but if his laws were moral and just, then there is reason to support him.


"I'm the trashman!" If he is God, I'm sure his morals will be pretty awesome. :P

That aside, I generally think both have the same importance. Some laws have to be ditched overtime due to the changing landscape of humanity, but God seems pretty important for everyone to not forget.


I agree with your last.

We should never forget how vile and immoral the supernatural Gods are.

Both sets of laws have value, I agree, but secular law has a moral base while God's laws generally do not.

That prick thinks it just to torture King David's baby for 7 days before finally murdering it, all because of his anger at David.

Nice justice eh?

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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:13 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Clarissa the Happy and Cheerful Robot wrote:
"I'm the trashman!" If he is God, I'm sure his morals will be pretty awesome. :P

That aside, I generally think both have the same importance. Some laws have to be ditched overtime due to the changing landscape of humanity, but God seems pretty important for everyone to not forget.

Yea, God is omnipresent. But, I believe because if he doesn't exist, I'm clear. If he does, I'm still clear.


Sure, but God will know if you think him moral or not.

Care to share here or does your fear have you staying quiet in case God sees and hears.

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Postby Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:21 pm

Risottia wrote:
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Not to the gays and women that are oppressed by those who believe in their homophobic and misogynous religions.

Do you live by the Golden Rule? I think it tell you to not take it as meaningless if you care for others.

Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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Items of fiction are equally meaningless. They have no value per se.
The effects humans produce through the use of fiction on human society are another story. Do not mistake the one for the other. Humans are real, gods and "their" laws aren't.


I see religions as selling fairy tales for adults. That aside.

To your post.
If you use a narrow supernatural definition of God, I agree.

If you widen your view to thinking of God as an ideal in laws and rules to live by, then when Jesus asks us to seek God, which idol worshiping Christians do not do, then you might see that you have your own God, as an ideal ideology, that you follow.

This poem might tempt you to do just that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZg1ZflpJs

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Ophiuchus Serpent-bearer wrote:Christians are more interested in showing hate with their homophobic and misogynous teachings.

Apparently the lesson "DO NOT MAKE SWEEPING OFFENSIVE GENERALIZATIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC GROUPS BECAUSE THAT IS TROLLING AND IT IS NOT PERMITTED HERE" still hasn't registered. Given that it continues to appear your only purpose on this site is to troll Christians and Muslims and spamvertize your particular flavor of "My Belief System Is Right Everyone Else is Wrong", if you end up getting deleted again, the odds are quite high that the next step from there will be Delete-On-Sight, aka "You are no longer welcome to play here, go find some other website to play on."

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