No evidence of racism found in Covington Catholic incident

[Funeral]

Nothing to add about the kids or the video...

...But those Black Hebrew Israelites are a damn menace. We've got them here in my city, and they're just the worst of the worst. They preach hateful gibberish and incoherent rantings with a bullhorn atop a milk-crate, and their signs are extremely vulgar and insane.

They look like a protest from inside a loony bin...

[Vassenor]

Do you?

Yes. The kids were innocent and victims of lies and false reporting. Oh, and you're full of shit.

That's my point.

So basically you're adhomineming me for the sake of it.

This is a gem, though (emphasis mine):"We found no evidence of offensive or racist statements by students to Mr. Phillips or members of his group," the report said. "Some students performed a 'tomahawk chop' to the beat of Mr. Phillips' drumming and some joined in Mr. Phillips' chant."

Because there's nothing offensive or racist about performing an action that Native groups have spent years trying to get teams to stop doing, and nothing mocking about joining a chant you don't understand.

[Yusseria]

Yes. The kids were innocent and victims of lies and false reporting. Oh, and you're full of shit.

That's my point.

So basically you're adhomineming me for the sake of it.

I'm pointing out your utter lack of a point and cowardice in debating.

This is a gem, though (emphasis mine):"We found no evidence of offensive or racist statements by students to Mr. Phillips or members of his group," the report said. "Some students performed a 'tomahawk chop' to the beat of Mr. Phillips' drumming and some joined in Mr. Phillips' chant."

Because there's nothing offensive or racist about performing an action that Native groups have spent years trying to get teams to stop doing, and nothing mocking about joining a chant you don't understand.

I suppose you also think people shouldn't sing songs they don't know the lyrics to.

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Gonna try to get this merged, don't see the point in a new thread for this

[Valrifell]

Calling people cowards in an online forum unironically, while hilarious (not for reasons you might think), isn't particularly productive regardless of what Vass is saying

[Vassenor]

So basically you're adhomineming me for the sake of it.

I'm pointing out your utter lack of a point and cowardice in debating.

This is a gem, though (emphasis mine):"We found no evidence of offensive or racist statements by students to Mr. Phillips or members of his group," the report said. "Some students performed a 'tomahawk chop' to the beat of Mr. Phillips' drumming and some joined in Mr. Phillips' chant."

Because there's nothing offensive or racist about performing an action that Native groups have spent years trying to get teams to stop doing, and nothing mocking about joining a chant you don't understand.

I suppose you also think people shouldn't sing songs they don't know the lyrics to.

I think that white people shouldn't dictate what is and isn't racist to ethnic minority groups.

[The Grims]

So basically you're adhomineming me for the sake of it.

I'm pointing out your utter lack of a point and cowardice in debating.

This is a gem, though (emphasis mine):"We found no evidence of offensive or racist statements by students to Mr. Phillips or members of his group," the report said. "Some students performed a 'tomahawk chop' to the beat of Mr. Phillips' drumming and some joined in Mr. Phillips' chant."

Because there's nothing offensive or racist about performing an action that Native groups have spent years trying to get teams to stop doing, and nothing mocking about joining a chant you don't understand.

I suppose you also think people shouldn't sing songs they don't know the lyrics to.

And you see nothing offensive in people giving a Hitler salute in front of a Jew ?

[Des-Bal]

Do you?

Your judo is so strong, but let's simplify this.


What did the kids do wrong?
Were the kids treated fairly by the media?
Were the kids treated fairly by the folks on social media?

Then he should be charged with whatever we want to throw, I suppose.

Though you'd have to prove that no reasonable person would actually come to his conclusion.

Phillips made several statements that misrepresented what he did and what the boys did. He knew or should have known that nobody was chanting build the wall. He knew or should have known that the boys did not swarm him while he was leaving the rally. He called for teachers to be fired based on them allowing things that he knew or should have known did not happen. Phillips. Fucked. Up.

[Yusseria]

I'm pointing out your utter lack of a point and cowardice in debating.


I suppose you also think people shouldn't sing songs they don't know the lyrics to.

I think that white people shouldn't dictate what is and isn't racist to ethnic minority groups.

Then why are you attempting to?

[Des-Bal]

And you see nothing offensive in people giving a Hitler salute in front of a Jew ?

Wow that's not even sort of the same.

[Vassenor]

I think that white people shouldn't dictate what is and isn't racist to ethnic minority groups.

Then why are you attempting to?

Pointing out that an ethnic group has called a given action racist in the past is dictating what they can and cannot consider racist?

[Yusseria]

I'm pointing out your utter lack of a point and cowardice in debating.


I suppose you also think people shouldn't sing songs they don't know the lyrics to.

And you see nothing offensive in people giving a Hitler salute in front of a Jew ?

Wow, that's so irrelevant it might as well be in a different thread.

[Yusseria]

Then why are you attempting to?

Pointing out that an ethnic group has called a given action racist in the past is dictating what they can and cannot consider racist?

Provide me a source from a Native group saying that white people singing along with a chant is racist.

I'll wait.

[Des-Bal]

Pointing out that an ethnic group has called a given action racist in the past is dictating what they can and cannot consider racist?

You're debating the racism of an incident where a group of white kids did a sports celebration in response to being racially insulted by two different groups of adult men.

[Chernoslavia]

No fucking shit there's no evidence! There as evidence to the contrary from the very start in fact, black israelites who are a very anti-semitic and racist group that advocates for white genocide were shouting racial and homophobic epithets at the kids and somehow the media decides that the MAGA kids were the racists, and people wonder why I have a problem with leftist news outlets and their ''professional journalists'', yeah real fucking top notch alright.. There is no excuse for this amount of bullshittery, you come up across a source you fact check it. Stupid never sleeps!

[Vassenor]

Pointing out that an ethnic group has called a given action racist in the past is dictating what they can and cannot consider racist?

Provide me a source from a Native group saying that white people singing along with a chant is racist.

I'll wait.

So basically you're randomly changing what part of the post you're calling out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_chop#Controversy_2

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/war-chant-and-tomahawk-chop-from-seminoles-to-republicans-_oadtktnwEOw7ctWpIoxOQ/

[Yusseria]

Provide me a source from a Native group saying that white people singing along with a chant is racist.

I'll wait.

So basically you're randomly changing what part of the post you're calling out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_chop#Controversy_2

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/war-chant-and-tomahawk-chop-from-seminoles-to-republicans-_oadtktnwEOw7ctWpIoxOQ/

You highlighted two different parts of the post. If you didn't want me to respond to that one then why highlight it and then state "emphasis mine"?

Your sources say it has led to some controversy. None of them say it's been denounced by Native groups.

Next.

[Des-Bal]

So basically you're randomly changing what part of the post you're calling out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_chop#Controversy_2

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/war-chant-and-tomahawk-chop-from-seminoles-to-republicans-_oadtktnwEOw7ctWpIoxOQ/

So we're clear this is your case: The boys did the tomahawk cop and sang along with Phillips gibberish song? That is the racism you're talking about?

[Chernoslavia]

So a law firm hired by the school said the school is not at fault.

Totally no conflicts of interest here.

An independent law firm that has no connections to the school.

You have evidence the students were in the wrong? Present it or admit you're full of shit.

He does this every damn time, somehow someway despite lack of evidence for racism or any controversy, the big bad trumpards are up to something shady. At this point I'd just ignore him.

[Vassenor]

So basically you're randomly changing what part of the post you're calling out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_chop#Controversy_2

https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/war-chant-and-tomahawk-chop-from-seminoles-to-republicans-_oadtktnwEOw7ctWpIoxOQ/

You highlighted two different parts of the post. If you didn't want me to respond to that one then why highlight it and then state "emphasis mine"?

Your sources say it has led to some controversy. None of them say it's been denounced by Native groups.

Next.

You asked for examples of Natives calling it racist. I provided examples of both acts being called racist. Now put those goalposts back.

And I am still waiting for your explanation of what authority this law firm has to conclusively declare these acts not racist.

[Yusseria]

You highlighted two different parts of the post. If you didn't want me to respond to that one then why highlight it and then state "emphasis mine"?

Your sources say it has led to some controversy. None of them say it's been denounced by Native groups.

Next.

You asked for examples of Natives calling it racist. I provided examples of both acts being called racist. Now put those goalposts back.

I said Native groups. Reading comprehension is important.

And I am still waiting for your explanation of what authority this law firm has to conclusively declare these acts not racist.

The authority of being a licensed law firm with no connections to the school that was hired by them to investigate if the students did anything racist.

[Vassenor]

You asked for examples of Natives calling it racist. I provided examples of both acts being called racist. Now put those goalposts back.

I said Native groups. Reading comprehension is important.

And I am still waiting for your explanation of what authority this law firm has to conclusively declare these acts not racist.

The authority of being a licensed law firm with no connections to the school that was hired by them to investigate if the students did anything racist.

That doesn't explain what authority they have to actually make that call. So we're back to white people dictating what ethnic groups can and cannot find racist.

And still running away with those goalposts, I see.

[Yusseria]

I said Native groups. Reading comprehension is important.


The authority of being a licensed law firm with no connections to the school that was hired by them to investigate if the students did anything racist.

That doesn't explain what authority they have to actually make that call. So we're back to white people dictating what ethnic groups can and cannot find racist.

And still running away with those goalposts, I see.

You have evidence this firm was made up of exclusively white people?

[Vassenor]

That doesn't explain what authority they have to actually make that call. So we're back to white people dictating what ethnic groups can and cannot find racist.

And still running away with those goalposts, I see.

You have evidence this firm was made up of exclusively white people?

Is that seriously how you attack that point? Because even if they aren't, they still don't have the right to dictate what can and cannot be considered racist.

[Chernoslavia]

I said Native groups. Reading comprehension is important.


The authority of being a licensed law firm with no connections to the school that was hired by them to investigate if the students did anything racist.

That doesn't explain what authority they have to actually make that call. So we're back to white people dictating what ethnic groups can and cannot find racist.

And still running away with those goalposts, I see.

You lot seem to have no problem claiming what is and isn't racist, now you're butthurt that people are taking a stand and saying no and defending themselves from such slander for a change?