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No evidence of racism found in Covington Catholic incident

Postby Yusseria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:09 am

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/02/13/us/covington-catholic-high-school-report/
Report finds no evidence of 'offensive or racist statements' by Kentucky students

(CNN) — An investigation into an encounter between Kentucky high school students and Native American activists has found "no evidence of offensive or racist statements" by the students, according to a report posted on the Diocese of Covington website.

Video of last month's encounter between Omaha Nation elder Nathan Phillips and Covington Catholic High students at Washington's Lincoln Memorial stirred debate over whether the teenagers were mocking Phillips or whether Phillips was interfering with them.

The Native American man was at the memorial for the Indigenous Peoples March, and the students had attended the March for Life rally.
A second video later surfaced showing another group, which identifies itself as members of the Hebrew Israelites, taunting the mostly white students with disparaging and vulgar language before the January 18 encounter with Phillips.

The investigative report was prepared by Greater Cincinnati Investigation, a detective agency retained by a law firm on behalf of the diocese and the school. It said the students never responded to the Black Hebrew Israelites with racist or offensive statements and never chanted "Build the Wall," as some alleged at the time.

Bishop Roger Foys, whose diocese initially condemned the actions of the students, said in a letter to parents on Monday that the teenagers have been exonerated.

"Our inquiry, conducted by a third party firm that has no connection with Covington Catholic High School or the Diocese of Covington, has demonstrated that our students did not instigate the incident that occurred at the Lincoln Memorial," Foys said.

Th bishop said the teens "were placed in a situation that was at once bizarre and even threatening" and their reaction was "expected and one might even say laudatory."

'Some students performed a tomahawk chop'

In the video, student Nick Sandmann was featured prominently facing Phillips. Some students wore "Make America Great Again" hats and surrounded Phillips, who played a drum and chanted, as Sandmann stared at him.

The report said investigators did not take Sandmann's statement in person. Investigators also made numerous attempts to reach Phillips, including traveling to his home and waiting for him for six hours, but they did not get a response from him.

At the time, the report said, the students reportedly thought Phillips was coming to join their cheers and did not feel threatened.

"We found no evidence of offensive or racist statements by students to Mr. Phillips or members of his group," the report said.

"Some students performed a 'tomahawk chop' to the beat of Mr. Phillips' drumming and some joined in Mr. Phillips' chant."

There was no immediate comment from Phillips.

Sandmann's attorney, Lin Wood, said via Twitter that the report "unequivocally exonerates Nick Sandmann & refutes the vicious lies by the mainstream & social media mob against this 16-year old student & his classmates."

"Nick Sandmann is owed apologies from thousands of accusers & accountability for damage to his reputation & threats against his life," he wrote in a series of tweets that included the report. "Criminal prosecutions & civil lawsuits will teach members of the mob a lesson they will never forget.

Jerome Bowles, president of the Northern Kentucky NAACP, told CNN on Wednesday that the diocese needed to "take a serious look at itself" on issues of diversity, community outreach and cultural competence.

"There's always an opportunity to say some things could have been done differently," he said.

"We need to see if we're preparing our students for the wider world. An institution can be academically successful but culturally incompetent."

Chaperones 'did not feel' students were threatened by Phillips

The report said students performed cheers common at football and basketball games to drown out the Black Hebrew Israelites.
Chaperones at the encounter between Phillips and Sandmann told investigators "they did not feel the students were threatened by Mr. Phillips or his group."

Most students wearing MAGA hats bought them the day of the March for Life, according to the report. Chaperones told investigators that some students had purchased "Hope" hats in support of President Barack Obama in years past.

The report said four licensed investigators spent about 240 person hours reviewing the incident. They interviewed 43 students, 13 chaperones, and reviewed evidence such as online videos and social media posts.

Phillips told CNN after the video went viral that he felt hatred from the young people in the crowd. When asked about Sandmann standing in front of him, Phillips said he was trying to retreat and the only way he could do so was to go forward.

"When I started going forward and that mass of groups of people started separating and moving aside to allow me to move out of the way or to proceed, this young fellow put himself in front of me and wouldn't move," Phillips said.

Student in middle of viral video controversy speaks out 02:29
Sandmann denied the characterizations of his and his classmates' behavior and said he was simply standing before Phillips to let him know he wouldn't be baited into an altercation. He also said he was not disrespectful to Phillips.

After initially condemning the behavior of the students, the Catholic diocese later said it was "bullied and pressured" into a making a premature statement about a viral video.

Foys said in the letter last month that the leadership of the Diocese of Covington was "being pressured from all sides to make a statement" about the video.

"We are sorry that this situation has caused such disruption in the lives of so many," Foys wrote. "We apologize to anyone who has been offended in any way of our statements which were made with good will based on the information we had. We should not have allowed ourselves to be bullied and pressured into making a statement prematurely, and we take full responsibility for it."

Foys wrote that Covington students and their families had received death threats.

The original January 19 statement said the diocese condemned the actions of the students and issued an apology to Phillips.

After the endless smear campaigns and media lynchings waged against the MAGA hat student there was no evidence of racism found in the viral Convington Catholic incident. It is troubling to see that our first instinct in incidents such as these is to doxx high school kids and send them and their families death threats for doing nothing more than staring down a fraudulent activist who's chanting and playing his drum in the face of a literal kid who was not bothering him and was in fact being harassed by Black Israelites. The kid who's smirk triggered thousands was completely innocent and had his reputation destroyed for virtually doing nothing except standing there. Does this kid deserve to be compensated by the media and the faux veteran who never served in Vietnam? I certainly think so.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:41 am

This sort of thing is going to become an increasing problem. Misleading clickbait creates a storm before anyone can fact check it, and then traditional media's social media correspondents report on the blowup, leading people to think it's true because the major outlets have covered it.

He deserves recompense for his name being dragged through the mud but I doubt there are any lessons that will be learned.
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Postby Nor Portland » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:42 am

Hasn’t this already been established?
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:48 am

Libel definitely happened here.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:53 am

So obviously there was no evidence of racism on the part of the students, the full video is public and shows the kids chanting their school song and jumping around like kids while they're suffering racial abuse at the hands of two different groups of adults. The report is unnecessary but I'm glad they're not letting this go. People. Fucked. Up. This was unconscionable and nobody should get a pass.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:10 am

Des-Bal wrote:So obviously there was no evidence of racism on the part of the students, the full video is public and shows the kids chanting their school song and jumping around like kids while they're suffering racial abuse at the hands of two different groups of adults. The report is unnecessary but I'm glad they're not letting this go. People. Fucked. Up. This was unconscionable and nobody should get a pass.

The kid's lawyer says they're going sue Nathan Phillip's so hopefully they're successful with that.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:10 am

Nor Portland wrote:Hasn’t this already been established?

Even after the full video was released showing that the BHI members were the instigators, people still harrassed the kids.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:23 am

So a law firm hired by the school said the school is not at fault.

Totally no conflicts of interest here.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:27 am

Vassenor wrote:So a law firm hired by the school said the school is not at fault.

Totally no conflicts of interest here.

An independent law firm that has no connections to the school.

You have evidence the students were in the wrong? Present it or admit you're full of shit.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:38 am

Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So a law firm hired by the school said the school is not at fault.

Totally no conflicts of interest here.

An independent law firm that has no connections to the school.

You have evidence the students were in the wrong? Present it or admit you're full of shit.


Vass' claim doesn't make any judgement of guilt, just that current findings may be inconclusive.
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Valrifell wrote:
Yusseria wrote:An independent law firm that has no connections to the school.

You have evidence the students were in the wrong? Present it or admit you're full of shit.


Vass' claim doesn't make any judgement of guilt, just that current findings may be inconclusive.

And they aren't. They're consistent with already avaliable evidence.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:40 am

Xmara wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Hasn’t this already been established?

Even after the full video was released showing that the BHI members were the instigators, people still harrassed the kids.


That'll happen.

Harassment happens all the time, these days.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:41 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Libel definitely happened here.


Libel implies knowledge of falsehood but doing it anyway to slander character.

Jumpy news media isn't that.
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:41 am

Vassenor wrote:So a law firm hired by the school said the school is not at fault.

Totally no conflicts of interest here.


I know you're disappointed the lynching was interrupted by exculpatory evidence but you need to let it go.

Valrifell wrote:Vass' claim doesn't make any judgement of guilt, just that current findings may be inconclusive.

No it's pointless complaining. Vass has been shitting on the kids from the beginning without ever articulating a real point. He's been ignoring the video of the kids doing nothing wrong and highlighting the fact they hired a PR firm to imply that they were the ones spreading misinformation when it's actually pretty hard to spin unedited video.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Libel definitely happened here.


Libel implies knowledge of falsehood but doing it anyway to slander character.

Jumpy news media isn't that.


But then how will they make these kids the victims?
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Libel implies knowledge of falsehood but doing it anyway to slander character.

Jumpy news media isn't that.


But then how will they make these kids the victims?

They're victims of faulty reporting and social media lynch mobs. Something you seem to be fine with.
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Valrifell wrote:Libel implies knowledge of falsehood but doing it anyway to slander character.

Jumpy news media isn't that.


Nathan Phillips told the media things that, based on the video, simply were not true.
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Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But then how will they make these kids the victims?

They're victims of faulty reporting and social media lynch mobs. Something you seem to be fine with.


>Social Media Lynch Mobs

Engage in hyperbole much?
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Postby Des-Bal » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:46 am

Vassenor wrote:
But then how will they make these kids the victims?


Nathan Phillips made false statements against them, the media failed to do it's due diligence, and people called for them to be harassed or killed based on false information. These kids are victims, you can pretend they're not white if it helps.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:46 am

Vassenor wrote:
Yusseria wrote:They're victims of faulty reporting and social media lynch mobs. Something you seem to be fine with.


>Social Media Lynch Mobs

Engage in hyperbole much?

Do you have an actual point? You seem to tap dance around the topic without making a point. Its cowardly and pathetic.
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Yusseria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>Social Media Lynch Mobs

Engage in hyperbole much?

Do you have an actual point? You seem to tap dance around the topic without making a point. Its cowardly and pathetic.


Do you?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:47 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Libel implies knowledge of falsehood but doing it anyway to slander character.

Jumpy news media isn't that.


Nathan Phillips told the media things that, based on the video, simply were not true.


Then he should be charged with whatever we want to throw, I suppose.

Though you'd have to prove that no reasonable person would actually come to his conclusion.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:47 am

Valrifell wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Libel definitely happened here.


Libel implies knowledge of falsehood but doing it anyway to slander character.

Jumpy news media isn't that.

Yes, yes it is.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Do you have an actual point? You seem to tap dance around the topic without making a point. Its cowardly and pathetic.


Do you?

Yes. The kids were innocent and victims of lies and false reporting. Oh, and you're full of shit.

That's my point.
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:48 am

Did we need a new thread?
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