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Postby First American Empire » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:08 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:I'm personally a Greek "Pagan" because... well... faith mostly. There was no great revelation where Zeus himself talked to me in a dream, or I prayed to Poseidon for my ship to not crash during a bad storm and the storm subsided (Though, the Gods really don't work like that, they're way more chaotic). I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?


Nothing. We literally worship the same Gods.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:39 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:My God wasn’t born by being vomited up from a murder and doesn’t have an absurdly terrible family. He also doesn’t have hundreds of wifes including his sister and hasn’t repeatedly threatened all of humanity with lightning bolts. Besides that, nothing but tons of messed up things Zeus did in the myths. That’s not counting many other ‘gods’ in Greek myths. I have to give it to the ancient Greeks though. The Bible is boring while their far fetched tales are actually fun to read. Your stories do not set any plausible or favorable information about deities, but it does give an insight into what Greek civilization was at the time and is an important piece of culture worth preserving in books.

Zeus wasn't born by being vomited up. He was born, like his siblings, but his mother, Rhea, hid him away and gave Cronus a rock to swallow. When Zeus came of age he forced his father to disgorge everything he'd swallowed. There was a war between the Gods and the Titans, Cronus was killed, many of the Titans were, too. This is why the team doesn't appear in many playoff games.

Anyway, my point is, get the facts straight when you disparage someone else's religion.
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Postby Tsuki » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:43 pm

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:43 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:So how is an atheist supposed to go about answering this question?

Just ignore it.

It's that simple.

No need to butt in to a thread if you just have no reason to say anything unless it's replying to the religious people. Else you're just saying "Not applicable to me." in a too long of a group of words if that makes sense, no disrespect meant, just my personal thoughts.

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:52 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:You're no fun. You've been around long enough to know that all threads must be posted in!

BEGONE, DEMON! >:(

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Postby Korhal IVV » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:59 pm

The Christian God is the only God that saves the elect, and not the elect trying to outweigh their bad deeds with good deeds from a to do list.

Out of all the religions, Christianity is unique due to one word: grace.
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Postby Lux Pulchrae » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:00 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Isn’t the Abrahamic God the same across all Abrahamic religions?

I’m pretty sure that God, Yawheh and Allah are the same damn entity.


They all claim lineage from Abraham the Jews to Christians is an obviously direct line. Muslims claim to do so too but they just took traditions from the other two and made up their own theology.

Now the Jews, not only are the Jews of today not the Jews from the bible, but because they remain and adhere to the old testament faith, they are also no longer God's chosen people. As Jesus Christ has come to us as the new covenant to be made in Him. And the Christian God is the God of the Holy Trinity.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:17 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:The Christian God is the only God that saves the elect, and not the elect trying to outweigh their bad deeds with good deeds from a to do list.

Out of all the religions, Christianity is unique due to one word: grace.

Translation: Shifting responsibility.

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Postby Korhal IVV » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:The Christian God is the only God that saves the elect, and not the elect trying to outweigh their bad deeds with good deeds from a to do list.

Out of all the religions, Christianity is unique due to one word: grace.

Translation: Shifting responsibility.

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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:47 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Isn’t the Abrahamic God the same across all Abrahamic religions?

I’m pretty sure that God, Yawheh and Allah are the same damn entity.


I'm fairly certain that Muslims and Jews outright reject Christ as being God. So I don't think it can be reasonably said from a theological perspective that we worship "the same God" when the others outright reject what we recognize as God.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:03 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:The Christian God is the only God that saves the elect, and not the elect trying to outweigh their bad deeds with good deeds from a to do list.

Out of all the religions, Christianity is unique due to one word: grace.


This makes no sense. Every religion has theological concepts unique to themselves, unconditional election is no different. Grace, in this case, is not even an exclusive religious belief to Christianity, it can be found in numerous faiths. Pure Land Buddhism asserts that the practitioner is saved by the vow of Amida Buddha, for instance.
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Postby The Grims » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:30 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:So how is an atheist supposed to go about answering this question?


With the famous "once you understand why you dismiss all other gods, you'll realise why I also dismiss yours". quote?

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Postby Uxupox » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:39 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:I've seen many arguments for their religion ranging from Hindus to Christians, all of which claim that the universe was created by a deity and because the universe would be impossible without a deity, their is one named *Insert their religion here*. Now while I do believe they bring up some good points, something has always bugged me about it... the end. Why exactly does this intelligent deity need to be your god in particular?

For the record, this is not why you believe in a deity. I don't care about that. I'm questioning why you believe in the deity(ies). What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

I'm personally a Greek "Pagan" because... well... faith mostly. There was no great revelation where Zeus himself talked to me in a dream, or I prayed to Poseidon for my ship to not crash during a bad storm and the storm subsided (Though, the Gods really don't work like that, they're way more chaotic). I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?


Theological concepts, system of morality, issues of salvation, metaphorical stories and etc. The vast majority of reeligió a have numerous differences. Other topics such as dualism, monotheism and polytheism also come into play that differentiate from one and another.
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Postby Korhal IVV » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:02 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:The Christian God is the only God that saves the elect, and not the elect trying to outweigh their bad deeds with good deeds from a to do list.

Out of all the religions, Christianity is unique due to one word: grace.


This makes no sense. Every religion has theological concepts unique to themselves, unconditional election is no different. Grace, in this case, is not even an exclusive religious belief to Christianity, it can be found in numerous faiths. Pure Land Buddhism asserts that the practitioner is saved by the vow of Amida Buddha, for instance.

Buddhism rejects a deity though?

And another unique word: love.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:21 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

My stance on religion (that is, irreligion) is consistent with humanity's experimental observation and is coherent with Occam's razor and Russell's teapot.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:24 am

Korhal IVV wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
This makes no sense. Every religion has theological concepts unique to themselves, unconditional election is no different. Grace, in this case, is not even an exclusive religious belief to Christianity, it can be found in numerous faiths. Pure Land Buddhism asserts that the practitioner is saved by the vow of Amida Buddha, for instance.

Buddhism rejects a deity though?

And another unique word: love.


That would be a complete surprise to me and the millions of other Buddhists who worship gods. The notion of a Creator God is rejected, not the existence of deities altogether.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:25 am

Korhal IVV wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
This makes no sense. Every religion has theological concepts unique to themselves, unconditional election is no different. Grace, in this case, is not even an exclusive religious belief to Christianity, it can be found in numerous faiths. Pure Land Buddhism asserts that the practitioner is saved by the vow of Amida Buddha, for instance.

Buddhism rejects a deity though?

And another unique word: love.

Not all Buddhism no, and no love is not unique to Christianity.
Hell there are many religions which have a designated God(dess) OF Love.

You should seriously actually study other religions before you try to pass some kind of judgement on them.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 am

Korhal IVV wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
This makes no sense. Every religion has theological concepts unique to themselves, unconditional election is no different. Grace, in this case, is not even an exclusive religious belief to Christianity, it can be found in numerous faiths. Pure Land Buddhism asserts that the practitioner is saved by the vow of Amida Buddha, for instance.

Buddhism rejects a deity though?

And another unique word: love.

Love isn't unique to Christianity.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:34 am

Genivaria wrote:
Korhal IVV wrote:Buddhism rejects a deity though?

And another unique word: love.

Not all Buddhism no, and no love is not unique to Christianity.
Hell there are many religions which have a designated God(dess) OF Love.

You should seriously actually study other religions before you try to pass some kind of judgement on them.


I would make the argument that all forms of Buddhism recognize the existence of deities, but that might be derailing.
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