What separates your god from mine?

[Wunderstrafanstalt]

Yeah, they weren't Muslim if that's true.

"No true Muslim" fallacy. Obviously Muslims are Scottish.

Though I will say, I recognize that odd contradiction to an extent.

But if religions are designed in a way to be compatible with any other religion, than I say that you're simply using a fallacy, and that it is objectively wrong.


Still, depends on the religion in question. Idk much about Tengriism myself, and asked for elaboration to understand what it mixed to be able to judge it on being realistically still not heresy or not.

But a blanket statement as that is stupid, with all due respect.

And with all due respect, the literal first thing you say when becoming a muslim is "there is no God but Allah".

Though, splinters and assimilations happen, as "Islam Kejawen" is quite popular here - Islam + animism dynamism (belief in spirits/demon that inhabit trees, rock etc and we make contracts/cooperate/feed them with flowers etc in exchange of wordly wealth/position/inserting your enemies with disease or even actual physical nails) is quite popular. Hell, my conservative muslim granma asked a "smart person" to install a magical dome covering her house to prevent spirits and thiefs from entering.

This is partly why I still believe in my faith, the existence of genies/demon. (not ghost.) IIRC cooperation with the spirits are not strange in Islam, although they're definitely wrong. I'm sceptical, yes, and there's no scientific observed evidence, but idk why all the old guys seems to have access to "indigo people" - those who can apparently see them. I haven't meet one, but their claims and practices and anecdotal evidences are just too detailed.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, they weren't Muslim if that's true.

"No true Muslim" fallacy. Obviously Muslims are Scottish.

Though I will say, I recognize that odd contradiction to an extent.

But if religions are designed in a way to be compatible with any other religion, than I say that you're simply using a fallacy, and that it is objectively wrong.


Still, depends on the religion in question. Idk much about Tengriism myself, and asked for elaboration to understand what it mixed to be able to judge it on being realistically still not heresy or not.

But a blanket statement as that is stupid, with all due respect.

Takfir exists in Al-Islam. So no, it's not a fallacy. Also, yes, there are false Muslims. A Muslim following a while nother religion isn't Muslim. You can't believe in reincarnation (Buddhism) yet. It believe in it at the same time (Al-Islam). You can't believe in one God (Al-Islam) yet commit shirk - associating Allah SWT with idols/"lesser gods" (Tengrism). Nor can you treat Al-Islam like a buffet.

[Menassa]

https://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/torah-true.html

[Agrykkyskas]

As a Pagan myself I debate this all the time. My Gods are so alike to other Paganisms and major religions. What separates the prideful Thor from bombastic Zeus except a name? Or how is Apollo different from Sol, both riding a chariot of light? Or Nott from Set? Or Odin from Isis? Ullr from Devana? Gefjun from Hestia? In reality it's something I've just accepted as beyond me. I don't understand the functions of the Gods-maybe they're just effigies of a giant mind-controlling squid creature from another dimension, I really don't know. All that I've really come to know as what I need to know is rites and prayers, and it's gotten me this far without Amun-Ra knocking at my door with a few heated questions or Perun skewering me for heresy.

Interesting point.

And maybe its just me, but I feel the Japanese Millenial population would be pleased with a Squid god.

oof that's a callout post if i've ever seen one

You've been excommunicated for this joke. Hope you're happy.

Good, sick of God calling me at 6AM asking for Pepperoni Pizza anyway.

take it from me it's worse when there's like a hundred of them

[Auze]

As a Pagan myself I debate this all the time. My Gods are so alike to other Paganisms and major religions. What separates the prideful Thor from bombastic Zeus except a name? Or how is Apollo different from Sol, both riding a chariot of light? Or Nott from Set? Or Odin from Isis? Ullr from Devana? Gefjun from Hestia? In reality it's something I've just accepted as beyond me. I don't understand the functions of the Gods-maybe they're just effigies of a giant mind-controlling squid creature from another dimension, I really don't know. All that I've really come to know as what I need to know is rites and prayers, and it's gotten me this far without Amun-Ra knocking at my door with a few heated questions or Perun skewering me for heresy.

Interesting point.

And maybe its just me, but I feel the Japanese Millenial population would be pleased with a Squid god.

Now to find out, have they made anime out of Lovecraft?

Update: yes, they have. So this is what he was referring to when he said "things man was not meant to know".

[Nor Portland]

As far as Pre-Christian religions are concerned (excluding cults), all religions come from the same origin so one could argue that the deity in Judaism is the same deity as worshipped in Hinduism

But besides that, from a Christian perspective, what UMN stated earlier in the thread, but also because of the Shroud of Turin imo

[Geneviev]

What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

Other than the fact that I believe that my God is the only real God because of evidence for the Bible, it's mostly that God is love. That's what makes him different from all of the other gods.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What separates your one particular religion from all the "false" ones?

Other than the fact that I believe that my God is the only real God because of evidence for the Bible, it's mostly that God is love. That's what makes him different from all of the other gods.

The Christian God is hardly unique in that regard.

[Cloney]

I worship a lemon and Gordon Ramsay

[Lanorth]

"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

-OOC

May I just point out, in a few billion years time, the Sun will either expand, swallow some of the planets up and become a red giant, or it will collapse in on itself and become a black hole, possibly a supermassive one. Have you ever thought of this?

[Liberated Communist States]

Interesting point.

And maybe its just me, but I feel the Japanese Millenial population would be pleased with a Squid god.

Now to find out, have they made anime out of Lovecraft?

Update: yes, they have. So this is what he was referring to when he said "things man was not meant to know".

Fascinating!

Tell me more...

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But besides that, from a Christian perspective, what UMN stated earlier in the thread, but also because of the Shroud of Turin imo

If the Shroud of Turin wasn't deliberately created to be a relic, I'm guessing it's an example of pareidolia.

[Risottia]

I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?

Nothing, they're all entirely non-existant.

[Risottia]

"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

-OOC

May I just point out, in a few billion years time, the Sun will either expand, swallow some of the planets up and become a red giant, or it will collapse in on itself and become a black hole, possibly a supermassive one. Have you ever thought of this?

No, it won't become a black hole (much less a SMBH), because it doesn't have enough mass, not even remotely. The Sun is bound to become a white dwarf and then it will cool down to a black dwarf, as its mass is smaller than the Chandrasekhar limit.

[Dogmeat]

"My God is the Sun. If the Sun wasn't around we would all be dead. The Sun doesn't demand sacrifices, because it's a Star. The Sun doesn't demand we burn the Heretics, because it's a STAR. The Sun does not judge people, because it's a STAR. The Sun is always there because it's a STAR.

So in general. PRAISE THE SUN!"

-OOC

May I just point out, in a few billion years time, the Sun will either expand, swallow some of the planets up and become a red giant, or it will collapse in on itself and become a black hole, possibly a supermassive one. Have you ever thought of this?

In a few billion years time you'll definitely be dead, so it won't matter much to you.

And, as a side-note: the sun doesn't have enough mass to become any kind of black hole, and certainly not a supermassive one. EDIT: Ninja'd

[Dogmeat]

I ask again though, what separates your god(s) from mine?

Mostly guitar proficiency.

[Heloin]

I don't really know. I think the church I go to has got it right, but I'm not to put off by the possibility I may be wrong.

No, it’s actually really simple to combine them
He*l there was Tengri-Muslims with Buddhist and Manicheran aspects

Yeah, they weren't Muslim if that's true.

They call themselves Muslims therefor they are.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Can your god do this?

(Image)

Yeah didnt think so. Sigmar is my godly broski

Sigmar is actually shit and killed WHFB :^]

@op I don't really see religious things in a "true" or "false" sense nowadays cuz I'm a polytheist and it's common practice to recognize a great many pantheons and deities

How dare you.

Can your god do this?

(Image)

Yeah didnt think so. Sigmar is my godly broski

Sigmarite peasant, Ulric is far superior.

*ginger guy blinking meme*


To be fair though i dont have a god, because gods are stupid.

Except in fictional worlds, then they can be cool because they actually do shit.

[Hanafuridake]

“My” God (Dainichi Nyorai) is the absolute embodiment of reality which all beings emanate from, and who all things possess as their original body.



How do you reconcile Tengrism with Buddhism?

Oh Buddhism and Tengrism are both super syncretic religions they mix with everything

That doesn't answer my question though. All religions have synthesized elements from others, neither are special in that regard. And your statement ignores the various religious conflicts that happened in India and the rest of Asia between Buddhists and other religions because of theological beliefs which are irreconcilable.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I don't really know. I think the church I go to has got it right, but I'm not to put off by the possibility I may be wrong.

Yeah, they weren't Muslim if that's true.

They call themselves Muslims therefor they are.

Lolok. So if someone calls themselves a Muslim yet they believe in the trinity they're still Muslim?

[Vaxian Imperium]

Norse Paganism Christianity Blend

[Jolthig]

My God is the One and Only who revealed the Holy Quran to prophet Muhammad (saw), and then, sent huh is messiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) of Qadian, India to revive the faith of Muhammad (saw) during a time that darkness would penetrate all of the world.

He sends signs and true dreams to those who are righteous, and sincerely believe in Him.

[The Grims]

I don't really know. I think the church I go to has got it right, but I'm not to put off by the possibility I may be wrong.


They call themselves Muslims therefor they are.

Lolok. So if someone calls themselves a Muslim yet they believe in the trinity they're still Muslim?

Only Allah can decide that iirc.

[The Grims]

My God is the One and Only who revealed the Holy Quran to prophet Muhammad (saw), and then, sent huh is messiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) of Qadian, India to revive the faith of Muhammad (saw) during a time that darkness would penetrate all of the world.

He sends signs and true dreams to those who are righteous, and sincerely believe in Him.

But why is he better than Vishnu with Krishna ?

[Jolthig]

I don't really know. I think the church I go to has got it right, but I'm not to put off by the possibility I may be wrong.


They call themselves Muslims therefor they are.

Lolok. So if someone calls themselves a Muslim yet they believe in the trinity they're still Muslim?

Yeah, Tawhid is a huge thing in Islam. There simply is no subtraction to the concept.