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Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:
So we're agreed, the Italian coast guard isn't going to leave people to die at sea. Excellent.

They will if those are their orders.

Easy to say, as militaries are supposed to follow orders,but they're as human as you and I. I suspect if the Coast Guard was order to let people drown, there would be a lot more insubordination, and/or a lot less Coast Guards.

Alvecia wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
They will if those are their orders.

Easy to say, as militaries are supposed to follow orders,but they're as human as you and I. I suspect if the Coast Guard was order to let people drown, there would be a lot more insubordination, and/or a lot less Coast Guards.

There's a reason the vast majority of Italian Carabinieri are from Mezzogiorno. Around 3 in 4 come from not just the south but especially Sicily, Campania and Calabria.

I suppose the same is true of the Armed Forces as a whole.

I believe the BBC did an article on a town in Emilia-Romagna, northern Italy, where the entire Carabinieri force is from Campania, region of Naples.

To put this into a better analogy - imagine if the entire CBP on Mexico's border are Evangelicals from Deep South.

They really don't care. And given that they see what illegal migration has done to their hometowns, they are likely not to care even more.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Alvecia wrote:Easy to say, as militaries are supposed to follow orders,but they're as human as you and I. I suspect if the Coast Guard was order to let people drown, there would be a lot more insubordination, and/or a lot less Coast Guards.

There's a reason the vast majority of Italian Carabinieri are from Mezzogiorno. Around 3 in 4 come from not just the south but especially Sicily, Campania and Calabria.

I suppose the same is true of the Armed Forces as a whole.

I believe the BBC did an article on a town in Emilia-Romagna, northern Italy, where the entire Carabinieri force is from Campania, region of Naples.

To put this into a better analogy - imagine if the entire CBP on Mexico's border are Evangelicals from Deep South.

They really don't care. And given that they see what illegal migration has done to their hometowns, they are likely not to care even more.

Like I said. Easy to say.

Alvecia wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
There's a reason the vast majority of Italian Carabinieri are from Mezzogiorno. Around 3 in 4 come from not just the south but especially Sicily, Campania and Calabria.

I suppose the same is true of the Armed Forces as a whole.

I believe the BBC did an article on a town in Emilia-Romagna, northern Italy, where the entire Carabinieri force is from Campania, region of Naples.

To put this into a better analogy - imagine if the entire CBP on Mexico's border are Evangelicals from Deep South.

They really don't care. And given that they see what illegal migration has done to their hometowns, they are likely not to care even more.

Like I said. Easy to say.

And even easier to imagine

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Alvecia wrote:Like I said. Easy to say.

And even easier to imagine

George Lucas imagined Samurai Nazi Space Wizards. Imagination doesn't mean shit.

Alvecia wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
And even easier to imagine

George Lucas imagined Samurai Nazi Space Wizards. Imagination doesn't mean shit.

Good analogy. Almost recovered one tenth of a debate point.

^ historically, center-rightist government favoured 'illegal' immigration. illegal means more or less not qualified and low salary workers for easy task 'entrepeneurship'.

it means the 'informal economy', this is why. it is golden eggs flow for 'center-right'. they won t tolerate a dedicated ad efficient custom border, never. they would loose money.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Alvecia wrote:George Lucas imagined Samurai Nazi Space Wizards. Imagination doesn't mean shit.

Good analogy. Almost recovered one tenth of a debate point.

Sure, whatever kid.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:
So we're agreed, the Italian coast guard isn't going to leave people to die at sea. Excellent.

They will if those are their orders.

Plus the convention explicitly states that the rescuing party needs to be "informed of their [lost at sea] distress"

Can't be informed if you choose to not care
(b) to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in
distress, if informed of their need of assistance, in so far as such
action may reasonably be expected of him;

Well since you want Italy to abandon its territorial waters I suppose it follows that you want Italy to stop having coast guard patrols.

It's kinda weird that you say that the moral thing to do is rescue people, but also you seem to want very badly to find a way to justifiably let them drown.

Oh this one is brilliant, so glad I found this

Alvecia wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Good analogy. Almost recovered one tenth of a debate point.

Sure, whatever kid.

Have you ever even seen an African illegal migrant? Not sure why I'm the kid here when you have zilch life experience.

Ifreann wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
They will if those are their orders.

Plus the convention explicitly states that the rescuing party needs to be "informed of their [lost at sea] distress"

Can't be informed if you choose to not care
(b) to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in
distress, if informed of their need of assistance, in so far as such
action may reasonably be expected of him;

Well since you want Italy to abandon its territorial waters I suppose it follows that you want Italy to stop having coast guard patrols.

It's kinda weird that you say that the moral thing to do is rescue people, but also you seem to want very badly to find a way to justifiably let them drown.

Safety and nationhood > Morality

I take no shame in saying that I would want my leader to launch a nuke on a civilian city akin to Hiroshima if it meant saving the nation. I also take no shame in saying that illegals shouldn't be rescued if it means that's the only way to run a country properly with an actual workable, popular and justifiable immigration policy.

Again, any drownings are on liberals. First you invite them here by placing a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then you moan when people say GTFO. Moderates and conservatives have no issue with helping people escape conflict or not drown. We do have a problem with this being used as an excuse for permanent migration. So I'd rather not help than see the country flooded with people escaping Mogadishu. That dead Syrian kid? Liberal's fault.

Kustonia wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Prove it

Prove it

Mixing cultures would create new identities, actually.

Depends on the capitalist.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ness-model

If you mix cultures, you destroy existing identities.

And creating new ones.
Also, an opinion article doesn't prove jack. Find a better source. And you haven't proven how identitarians are trying to stop that.

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Prove it

Prove it

Mixing cultures would create new identities, actually.

Depends on the capitalist.

Oh, look. Another Communist.

I'm an Islamist, not a Communist.

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:There is evidence of refugees often destroy the economy of the areas they are in.

Show it, then.

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:But to be honest my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is that they are often exploited by criminals

True, same here.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Oh, look. Another Communist. There is evidence of refugees often destroy the economy of the areas they are in.

But to be honest my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is that they are often exploited by criminals

Seeing somebody call an Islamist hardliner a communist is rather amusing, not gonna lie.

I'm Islamist, not Islamist hardliner.

Sicaris wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?

He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.

They're not illegal immigrants, tho.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Kustonia wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ness-model

If you mix cultures, you destroy existing identities.

And creating new ones.
Also, an opinion article doesn't prove jack. Find a better source. And you haven't proven how identitarians are trying to stop that.

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Oh, look. Another Communist.

I'm an Islamist, not a Communist.

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:There is evidence of refugees often destroy the economy of the areas they are in.

Show it, then.

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:But to be honest my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is that they are often exploited by criminals

True, same here.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Seeing somebody call an Islamist hardliner a communist is rather amusing, not gonna lie.

I'm Islamist, not Islamist hardliner.

Sicaris wrote:
He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.

They're not illegal immigrants, tho.

How so? Illegally crossing a vast sea via raft and attempting to just enter a country sounds rather illegal, especially when they have specified they don’t want this happening.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Alvecia wrote:Sure, whatever kid.

Have you ever even seen an African illegal migrant? Not sure why I'm the kid here when you have zilch life experience.

Toss em overboard all the time do you?

Alvecia wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Have you ever even seen an African illegal migrant? Not sure why I'm the kid here when you have zilch life experience.

Toss em overboard all the time do you?

No just smirk and shout "AY LMAO" out of the window as I see them walking on the motorway in Calais.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Well since you want Italy to abandon its territorial waters I suppose it follows that you want Italy to stop having coast guard patrols.

It's kinda weird that you say that the moral thing to do is rescue people, but also you seem to want very badly to find a way to justifiably let them drown.

Safety and nationhood > Morality

I take no shame in saying that I would want my leader to launch a nuke on a civilian city akin to Hiroshima if it meant saving the nation. I also take no shame in saying that illegals shouldn't be rescued if it means that's the only way to run a country properly with an actual workable, popular and justifiable immigration policy.

Again, any drownings are on liberals. First you invite them here by placing a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then you moan when people say GTFO. Moderates and conservatives have no issue with helping people escape conflict or not drown. We do have a problem with this being used as an excuse for permanent migration. So I'd rather not help than see the country flooded with people escaping Mogadishu. That dead Syrian kid? Liberal's fault.

"I'm trying to trigger liberals"
Gotcha.

Kowani wrote:

The Emerald Legion wrote:
I mean. Why would executing them be against moral decency again?

They're willfully breaking the law. And after a certain point, if soft measures are being evaded, you have no choice but to do something more extreme.

Would you have sent Jews back to the Nazis?

I would build them a refugee camp in Ireland and send them back to Germany in 1945.

You know. The actual meaning of asylum. Protection. Not migration.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Des-Bal wrote:
That's the scenario. In this case someone had a near deadly accident, you rescued them, took them onto the relative safety of the bridge, and said "you aren't getting out of here unless you jump." That's Saw shit.

This gets filed under the "too bad" bookcase.

The country doesn't want them, and law cannot be changed. The only option is to flout the law in the name of common sense.

...of course the law can be changed.

Ifreann wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Safety and nationhood > Morality

I take no shame in saying that I would want my leader to launch a nuke on a civilian city akin to Hiroshima if it meant saving the nation. I also take no shame in saying that illegals shouldn't be rescued if it means that's the only way to run a country properly with an actual workable, popular and justifiable immigration policy.

Again, any drownings are on liberals. First you invite them here by placing a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then you moan when people say GTFO. Moderates and conservatives have no issue with helping people escape conflict or not drown. We do have a problem with this being used as an excuse for permanent migration. So I'd rather not help than see the country flooded with people escaping Mogadishu. That dead Syrian kid? Liberal's fault.

"I'm trying to trigger liberals"
Gotcha.

Not my fault your triggers are so sensitive is it

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Alvecia wrote:Toss em overboard all the time do you?

No just smirk and shout "AY LMAO" out of the window as I see them walking on the motorway in Calais.

Yes, you're infinitely more experienced in this matter.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:"I'm trying to trigger liberals"
Gotcha.

Not my fault your triggers are so sensitive is it

"We should just let people die"
"That's pretty bad yo"
"Triggered, ayyy, gotcha"

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:"I'm trying to trigger liberals"
Gotcha.

Not my fault your triggers are so sensitive is it

Don't worry about me, I soothe my feelings by remembering that deep in your heart there is an unshakeable love for all people.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Ifreann wrote:"I'm trying to trigger liberals"
Gotcha.

Not my fault your triggers are so sensitive is it

"Lol u triggered lib??!!!" I giggle while Doritos-colored diarrhea runs down my pasty white legs, staining my border wall-patterned pants and pooling inside my China-made MAGA crocs. I am very cool and special.

Sicaris wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:And creating new ones.
Also, an opinion article doesn't prove jack. Find a better source. And you haven't proven how identitarians are trying to stop that.

I'm an Islamist, not a Communist.

Show it, then.

True, same here.

I'm Islamist, not Islamist hardliner.

They're not illegal immigrants, tho.

How so? Illegally crossing a vast sea via raft and attempting to just enter a country sounds rather illegal, especially when they have specified they don’t want this happening.

I don't think they were just trying to enter. Maybe they were trying to get asylum.