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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:44 am

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Prove it

Prove it

Mixing cultures would create new identities, actually.

Depends on the capitalist.

Oh, look. Another Communist. There is evidence of refugees often destroy the economy of the areas they are in.

But to be honest my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is that they are often exploited by criminals


Let's see that evidence then.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:26 am

Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Prove it

Prove it

Mixing cultures would create new identities, actually.

Depends on the capitalist.

Oh, look. Another Communist. There is evidence of refugees often destroy the economy of the areas they are in.

But to be honest my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is that they are often exploited by criminals


Seeing somebody call an Islamist hardliner a communist is rather amusing, not gonna lie.

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Postby Kustonia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:02 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Deutschess Kaiserreich wrote:Oh, look. Another Communist. There is evidence of refugees often destroy the economy of the areas they are in.

But to be honest my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is that they are often exploited by criminals


Seeing somebody call an Islamist hardliner a communist is rather amusing, not gonna lie.


If you look at Islam's history, you'd be surprised. Their hatred of Christians is similar to Marxist class conflict. But anyway, back to Salvini and migrants.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:27 am

Culture is kind of a fluid thing that would die on its own anyway, while there's no valid ethical reason to destroy it I'm also not seeing valid ethical reasons to preserve it at all and any costs.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:51 am

Kustonia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Seeing somebody call an Islamist hardliner a communist is rather amusing, not gonna lie.


If you look at Islam's history, you'd be surprised. Their hatred of Christians is similar to Marxist class conflict. But anyway, back to Salvini and migrants.


Apparently the co-existence going on in al-Andalus never happened because it's narratively inconvenient.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:03 am

For the first time since 2007, an Italian politician has finally become popular with the majority of the Italian public.

In the wake of the judicial crisis, Salvini has reached an approval rating of 50% with pollster EMG.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:04 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
If you look at Islam's history, you'd be surprised. Their hatred of Christians is similar to Marxist class conflict. But anyway, back to Salvini and migrants.


Apparently the co-existence going on in al-Andalus never happened because it's narratively inconvenient.


*claps in Almoravids and Almohads*

For the paradise (in relation to the rest of Western Europe, at least) that is the Emirate/Caliphate of Cordoba, you have the clusterfuck that were the Taifas and the arseholes that were the Moroccan Almoravid and Almohad dynasties.

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This charge is almost as stupid as this thread
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Sicaris wrote:This charge is almost as stupid as this thread


Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?
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Postby Sicaris » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:14 am

Vassenor wrote:
Sicaris wrote:This charge is almost as stupid as this thread


Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

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Postby Kustonia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:15 am

Vassenor wrote:
Sicaris wrote:This charge is almost as stupid as this thread


Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


The accusation against Salvini is kidnapping, not unlawful detainment.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:19 am

Sicaris wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.


And what makes them illegal immigrants?
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Postby Kustonia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:19 am

Sicaris wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.


That's because Salvini isn't in the wrong here. Either the captain could've taken the migrants back to Libya, or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves. It's really not that hard to understand.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:22 am

Kustonia wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.


That's because Salvini isn't in the wrong here. Either the captain could've taken the migrants back to Libya, or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves. It's really not that hard to understand.


" or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves"

I really don't get where you get the idea this is possible from. For instance, swimming the English Channel at its narrowest point (approximately twenty miles) is considered a challenge even for athletes in their prime. Sicily to Libya is even further, and these people probably aren't professional athletes.
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Postby Sicaris » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:23 am

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Kustonia wrote:
That's because Salvini isn't in the wrong here. Either the captain could've taken the migrants back to Libya, or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves. It's really not that hard to understand.


" or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves"

I really don't get where you get the idea this is possible from. For instance, swimming the English Channel at its narrowest point (approximately twenty miles) is considered a challenge even for athletes in their prime. Sicily to Libya is even further, and these people probably aren't professional athletes.


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Postby Arayas » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:23 am

And I'm sure the same idiots accusing salvini of "kidnapping"are the same ones who allow ngos to people smuggle illegal immigrants into Italy.

Salvini had the support of the people so this is just a leftist tantrum that will result in nothing but to showcase how powerless they are now.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:23 am

Kustonia wrote:
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Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


The accusation against Salvini is kidnapping, not unlawful detainment.


From your own OP: 'illegal confinement, illegal arrest and abuse of power'
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Postby Andsed » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:24 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
That's because Salvini isn't in the wrong here. Either the captain could've taken the migrants back to Libya, or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves. It's really not that hard to understand.


" or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves"

I really don't get where you get the idea this is possible from. For instance, swimming the English Channel at its narrowest point (approximately twenty miles) is considered a challenge even for athletes in their prime. Sicily to Libya is even further, and these people probably aren't professional athletes.

Also not to mention that many are coming from poverty and thus not well fed and not in great shape. So the idea of them swimming from Sicily to Libya is utterly ridiculous.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:25 am

Andsed wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
" or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves"

I really don't get where you get the idea this is possible from. For instance, swimming the English Channel at its narrowest point (approximately twenty miles) is considered a challenge even for athletes in their prime. Sicily to Libya is even further, and these people probably aren't professional athletes.

Also not to mention that many are coming from poverty and thus not well fed and not in great shape. So the idea of them swimming from Sicily to Libya is utterly ridiculous.


For the record, that's a distance of about 500 miles.
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Postby Arayas » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
Kustonia wrote:
That's because Salvini isn't in the wrong here. Either the captain could've taken the migrants back to Libya, or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves. It's really not that hard to understand.


" or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves"

I really don't get where you get the idea this is possible from. For instance, swimming the English Channel at its narrowest point (approximately twenty miles) is considered a challenge even for athletes in their prime. Sicily to Libya is even further, and these people probably aren't professional athletes.


I like how you ignored the first more practical option.
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Postby Sicaris » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
Andsed wrote:Also not to mention that many are coming from poverty and thus not well fed and not in great shape. So the idea of them swimming from Sicily to Libya is utterly ridiculous.


For the record, that's a distance of about 500 miles.


And we should care why?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:28 am

Arayas wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
" or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves"

I really don't get where you get the idea this is possible from. For instance, swimming the English Channel at its narrowest point (approximately twenty miles) is considered a challenge even for athletes in their prime. Sicily to Libya is even further, and these people probably aren't professional athletes.


I like how you ignored the first more practical option.


Because it's not more practical for a government ship to just sail into the port of a foreign sovereign power without permission. Generally that's considered an act of war.
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Postby Des-Bal » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:29 am

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And we should care why?


Because you're calling for mass suicide.
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The whole European supremacist schtick ain’t my cup of tea, but I’d preferably would like for Europe to retain its vast array of homegrown cultures.


Meaning you're pro-white. That's really all identitarians are.

I thought you guys weren't meant to admit this. What's next, you cop to "globalist" meaning "Jewish"?


Sicaris wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.

For one, everything you just said.


Kustonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Unlawful detainment is a stupid charge?


The accusation against Salvini is kidnapping, not unlawful detainment.

You should try reading more than just the headline.


Kustonia wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
He was using a government entity to prevent the entrance of illegal immigrants into his country.

I don’t see what’s wrong here.


That's because Salvini isn't in the wrong here. Either the captain could've taken the migrants back to Libya, or the migrants could've swam back to the coast of Libya themselves. It's really not that hard to understand.

You aren't really up on geography, are you?
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Postby Sicaris » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:32 am

Des-Bal wrote:
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And we should care why?


Because you're calling for mass suicide.


I’m not. I’m just saying I don’t care about the distance. I never said they had to swim.

Ideally, the illegal immigrants would simply be taken by boat back to their country of origin.
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