Italy's Salvini May Face Trial for 'Kidnapping' Migrants

[Des-Bal]

I don’t know enough about Italian law and EU agreements to know if this is illegal or not but it really shouldn’t be treated along the lines of a kidnapping. The Coast Guard took a fair number of migrants on board and intended to bring them to Italy Because of conflicting orders from higher ups, they delayed their arrival so that they could figure out what they’re supposed to do.

That’s no more a kidnapping than your typical cruise ship port arrival delay.

It seems that the unaccompanied children should have been allowed to disembark, if Salvini ordered them to remain on the ship despite having no power to do that it sounds like pretty textbook false imprisonment.

[The Grims]

This person is a nationalist hero of Italy and in my view, there isn't a single good one among these illegal migrants from Libya or wherever else. People are damn right that I'm devoted to keeping these people out. They should've been delivered back instead of let off the boat.

All brown children are evil ?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This person is a nationalist hero of Italy and in my view, there isn't a single good one among these illegal migrants from Libya or wherever else.

Prove it.

People are da*n right that I'm devoted to keeping these people out. They should've been delivered back instead of let off the boat.

No.

[Ors Might]

I don’t know enough about Italian law and EU agreements to know if this is illegal or not but it really shouldn’t be treated along the lines of a kidnapping. The Coast Guard took a fair number of migrants on board and intended to bring them to Italy Because of conflicting orders from higher ups, they delayed their arrival so that they could figure out what they’re supposed to do.

That’s no more a kidnapping than your typical cruise ship port arrival delay.

It seems that the unaccompanied children should have been allowed to disembark, if Salvini ordered them to remain on the ship despite having no power to do that it sounds like pretty textbook false imprisonment.

Agreed. If Salvini gave an illegal order, he should receive the appropriate punishment.

[Ifreann]

>"I don't know about Italian or international law"
>"I have a meaningful opinion about this"

Choose one.


"Judges yield a ruling I don't like, clearly they have been bribed."
The pettiness and butthurt level in this comment are just astounding.

How about “I don’t have enough information to be considered an authority by any means but here’s my opinion based on what I do know”.

Their arrival wasn't delayed, they sat in dock for ten days before Salvini could be convinced to allow them off the ship.

Yeesh. I was under the impression that he just wouldn’t allow the ship to leave. In that case, Salvini’s antics definitely veer into kidnapping territory. Think one could at lesst attempt to find somewhere secure for the migrants to stay if he isn’t sure what the hell to do with them.

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

[Saiwania]

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

If he didn't want to let any of those people into Italy and found a way to make that happen, that is a plus and not a negative in my view.

I've been thinking: Italy has a problem with people invading their shores from north Africa. People keep coming to sponge off of Italy because they're bums or aren't up to any good. Why don't Italy simply invade Libya, Morocco, etc. to extract compensation for all these people coming their way?

Italy is probably able to surpass their World War II performance (which was weak and incompetent) and it'd establish a buffer zone that can keep these people out more effectively if they're intercepted even further from Italy proper. The Soviet Union had all of eastern Europe go Communist to provide some buffer against being invaded again and it worked from the Soviet perspective.

[Ors Might]

How about “I don’t have enough information to be considered an authority by any means but here’s my opinion based on what I do know”.


Yeesh. I was under the impression that he just wouldn’t allow the ship to leave. In that case, Salvini’s antics definitely veer into kidnapping territory. Think one could at lesst attempt to find somewhere secure for the migrants to stay if he isn’t sure what the hell to do with them.

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

Then fuck him. Was giving him the benefit of the doubt because frankly I’ve pulled one too mang night shifts in a row to understand chunks of the article or to do much research.

[Andsed]

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

Then fuck him. Was giving him the benefit of the doubt because frankly I’ve pulled one too mang night shifts in a row to understand chunks of the article or to do much research.

Agreed Salvini is very much in the wrong here.

[The Holy Therns]

"A special tribunal has ruled that Interior Minister Matteo Salvini can face trial for 'illegally confining' people rescued at sea aboard an Italian coastguard ship, despite an earlier recommendation to drop the case."

"Shortly afterwards Sicilian prosecutors opened an investigation into the interior minister for suspected 'illegal confinement, illegal arrest and abuse of power', only to recommend in November that the case be dropped."

"Yet this week a special tribunal in Catania overturned that recommendation, ruling that Salvini could indeed stand trial."

Matteo Salvini responded on Twitter:

"I could face between three and five years in prison for having stopped illegal migrants landing in Italy. I'm speechless. Fear? Zero. I'll continue to work to defend my country's borders and Italians' safety!"

https://www.thelocal.it/20190125/italy-salvini-may-face-trial-for-kidnapping-migrants-diciotti

Should Salvini face trial for stopping illegal immigration? What would be the consequences for Italy?

I wonder how much Brussels had to pay to buy off those Sicilian prosecutors?

3000 monopoly moneys.

[Saiwania]

Agreed Salvini is very much in the wrong here.

He is in the right here if the majority (if not all) of those migrants would subtract from Italy's GDP rather than add to it. He's made his country richer and safer by virtue of keeping those people out.

[Valrifell]

Agreed Salvini is very much in the wrong here.

He is in the right here if the majority (if not all) of those migrants would subtract from Italy's GDP rather than add to it. He's made his country richer and safer by virtue of keeping those people out.

I don't think that's actually possible

[The Holy Therns]

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

If he didn't want to let any of those people into Italy and found a way to make that happen, that is a plus and not a negative in my view.

I've been thinking: Italy has a problem with people invading their shores from north Africa. People keep coming to sponge off of Italy because they're bums or aren't up to any good. Why don't Italy simply invade Libya, Morocco, etc. to extract compensation for all these people coming their way?

Italy is probably able to surpass their World War II performance (which was weak and incompetent) and it'd establish a buffer zone that can keep these people out more effectively if they're intercepted even further from Italy proper. The Soviet Union had all of eastern Europe go Communist to provide some buffer against being invaded again and it worked from the Soviet perspective.

Oh, honey.

[Andsed]

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

If he didn't want to let any of those people into Italy and found a way to make that happen, that is a plus and not a negative in my view.

I've been thinking: Italy has a problem with people invading their shores from north Africa. People keep coming to sponge off of Italy because they're bums or aren't up to any good. Why don't Italy simply invade Libya, Morocco, etc. to extract compensation for all these people coming their way?

Italy is probably able to surpass their World War II performance (which was weak and incompetent) and it'd establish a buffer zone that can keep these people out more effectively if they're intercepted even further from Italy proper. The Soviet Union had all of eastern Europe go Communist to provide some buffer against being invaded again and it worked from the Soviet perspective.

... You are joking right? Right?!

[Valrifell]

If he didn't want to let any of those people into Italy and found a way to make that happen, that is a plus and not a negative in my view.

I've been thinking: Italy has a problem with people invading their shores from north Africa. People keep coming to sponge off of Italy because they're bums or aren't up to any good. Why don't Italy simply invade Libya, Morocco, etc. to extract compensation for all these people coming their way?

Italy is probably able to surpass their World War II performance (which was weak and incompetent) and it'd establish a buffer zone that can keep these people out more effectively if they're intercepted even further from Italy proper. The Soviet Union had all of eastern Europe go Communist to provide some buffer against being invaded again and it worked from the Soviet perspective.

... You are joking right? Right?!

He's a white nationalist, my dude.

[Ifreann]

I don't know where you got the idea that Salvini wasn't sure what to do with them. He wasn't taking ten days to come to a decision, he was very clear that he didn't want these migrants in Italy at all, ever. After ten days they were released to the Catholic Church, who made arrangements to take them Ireland and Albania.

If he didn't want to let any of those people into Italy and found a way to make that happen, that is a plus and not a negative in my view.

I'm sure it's a big win for racism for these scary black people to go to different parts of Europe.

I've been thinking: Italy has a problem with people invading their shores from north Africa.

They're not invading.

People keep coming to sponge off of Italy because they're bums or aren't up to any good.

People go to Italy because it's nearby.

Why don't Italy simply invade Libya, Morocco, etc. to extract compensation for all these people coming their way?

Wars are more expensive than refugees. Plus, you know, Europe would destroy their economy to punish them for this insane and illegal war of aggression. And no, people seeking refuge in Italy is not an act of aggression, not even if they're black, not even if they really are trying to steal jobs and leech off welfare.

[Vojelneit]

I've been thinking: Italy has a problem with people invading their shores from north Africa.

They're not invading.

Yes they are.

[Vassenor]

They're not invading.

Yes they are.

So which foreign power is backing them? What armed force are they using to seize control of the country?

[Ifreann]

They're not invading.

Yes they are.

You don't need to propagandise here.

[Andsed]

They're not invading.

Yes they are.

Oh so your telling me these immigrants are now an armed force that is attacking and planning to take over Italy? Fascinating.

[Yusseria]

They were perfectly free to jump into the sea.

I hope this is sarcastic.

Nope. Them being denied entry isn't kidnapping. They had plenty of other places they could have gone, such as the ocean.

[Ifreann]

I hope this is sarcastic.

Nope. Them being denied entry isn't kidnapping. They had plenty of other places they could have gone, such as the ocean.

Not really, they were in port, in Sicily. It's rather a long way from there to the ocean. Further than one could swim.

[Risottia]

He explicitly said whether or not what they did is illegal it has no business being codified as kidnapping or treated similarly. Your gatekeeping is unwarranted.

No, he said:

I don’t know enough about Italian law and EU agreements to know if this is illegal or not but it really shouldn’t be treated along the lines of a kidnapping.

Which means "I don't know about the laws of the land, but it is my opinion that this behaviour shouldn't be considered as crime X". If one doesn't know the laws of the jurisdiction and how crimes are defined, they cannot have a meaningful opinion on what prosecutors should file as a charge.

[Trumptonium1]

Yeesh. I was under the impression that he just wouldn’t allow the ship to leave. In that case, Salvini’s antics definitely veer into kidnapping territory. Think one could at lesst attempt to find somewhere secure for the migrants to stay if he isn’t sure what the hell to do with them.

Why the fuck would he do that?

The Italians don't want them, both the society and government.

People like Risottia make up a grand total of 19% of Italian society who want to offer these people migration. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... tal_2B.pdf

The vast majority want them to fuck off wherever else.

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[Yusseria]

Nope. Them being denied entry isn't kidnapping. They had plenty of other places they could have gone, such as the ocean.

Not really, they were in port, in Sicily. It's rather a long way from there to the ocean. Further than one could swim.

It being a rather long distance does not mean they could not have attempted it. If they aren't wanted in Italy then obviously they would have needed to find somewhere else to go like the ocean.

Either that or the Italian coast guard could have ferried them back to the middle of the Mediterannean.

[Trumptonium1]

Nope. Them being denied entry isn't kidnapping. They had plenty of other places they could have gone, such as the ocean.

Not really, they were in port, in Sicily. It's rather a long way from there to the ocean. Further than one could swim.

Doesn't matter, not a kidnapping because they had a choice to leave.

Obviously they like water since they decided to cross the Mediterranean and unlike the 25 000 or so who died over the last 4 years in the sea, they can swim long enough to get rescued. So they can swim back.