Italy's Salvini May Face Trial for 'Kidnapping' Migrants

[Vassenor]

So who is saying otherwise?

Barely anyone talks about them however, it’s all about the Middle Easterners

Probably because the right wing fringe doesn't talk about them as being refugees because they want that association in order to pander to their racial biases.

[Trumptonium1]

And is this also why liberals are desperately trying to avoid using the term 'refugee' on white Ukrainian refugees?

Doesn't fit the agenda

Ay lmao

Are we? I’m not up to date on the more recent amendments to the liberal agenda.

That's what happens when you don't update your address for Soros' mailing list - check your spam inbox.

It is true, Ukrainians should be refugees

So who is saying otherwise?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsa ... 4baba44bb1 - Forbes
https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia ... -in-poland - openDemocracy (Soros' Open Society website promoting pOlITIcAL rIGhTs)
https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/0 ... ds-economy - The Economist
https://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3af ... 1cc67cfeec - Financial Times (in fact self-appointing themselves to arbiters of who is and isn't a refugee "In fact, unlike the Syrian exodus, most Ukrainian arrivals are not refugees fleeing the war-scarred east")
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... -in-russia - BBC talking about Ukrainian 'refugees' with quote marks, but not doing so for others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... -of-safety - BBC report talking about Ukrainian "families fleeing homes" as immigrants
https://www.timesofisrael.com/think-mos ... ukrainian/ - Times of Israel

All of these liberal outlets.

The only liberal outlets calling Ukrainians refugees are Refugees International, CBC Canada and United Nations (UNHCR). There's also an article from The Guardian, but, as expected, it is in the Opinion section.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... us-society

[Ifreann]

Why would we be talking about Ukrainians in this thread about Matteo Salvini?

In general no one does

And why are you complaining about that in this thread about Matteo Salvini?

[Trumptonium1]

Refugee and illegal immigrant is interchangeable. An unwanted migrant cannot be a refugee.

The acceptability of refugees depends on the host government and society. In Italy, that is clearly not the case, and hence refugees do not and can not exist. They're illegal immigrants trying to gain access to a country that 1) declares them as such 2) doesn't want them there.

An illegal immigrant would be a person who entered the country illegally, and did not state that they were a refugee as soon as they could.

An illegal immigrant would be a person who entered the country illegally.

If they stay in the country, for say, a month and have made no effort to apply for refugee status and had no good reason not to apply, they're an illegal immigrant.

No they're an illegal immigrant if they enter unwanted and unchecked.

[
Of course a country has the ability to accept or deny refugees, however, the issue lies in the fact that from what I can recall, a government must allow the refugees to claim themselves as such and then review their case.

This is unenforceable international "law" with unironic quote marks.

[ I've yet to see the Italian government state that they will not take in refugees or stop reviewing them.

See Salvini's articles above.

[ The Italians don't want these people in their country, and that's their right to feel as such, but under international law, based on what I recall, they'd have to allow them to make their claim and then review it until they are either rejected refugee status or granted it. I assume the government, could take them in, "review" their cases, and then reject all of them. The Canadian government did a similar thing with the Black Dragon from what I remember.

They chose to bypass spending money on checking people and simply say no.

[Alvecia]

Are we? I’m not up to date on the more recent amendments to the liberal agenda.

That's what happens when you don't update your address for Soros' mailing list - check your spam inbox.

So who is saying otherwise?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsa ... 4baba44bb1 - Forbes
https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia ... -in-poland - openDemocracy (Soros' Open Society website promoting pOlITIcAL rIGhTs)
https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/0 ... ds-economy - The Economist
https://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3af ... 1cc67cfeec - Financial Times (in fact self-appointing themselves to arbiters of who is and isn't a refugee "In fact, unlike the Syrian exodus, most Ukrainian arrivals are not refugees fleeing the war-scarred east")
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... -in-russia - BBC talking about Ukrainian 'refugees' with quote marks, but not doing so for others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... -of-safety - BBC report talking about Ukrainian "families fleeing homes" as immigrants
https://www.timesofisrael.com/think-mos ... ukrainian/ - Times of Israel

All of these liberal outlets.

The only liberal outlets calling Ukrainians refugees are Refugees International, CBC Canada and United Nations (UNHCR). There's also an article from The Guardian, but, as expected, it is in the Opinion section.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... us-society

For the record, quote marks are used by the BBC when they’re directly quoting someone, not sarcastically to imply the opposite.

[Vassenor]

That's what happens when you don't update your address for Soros' mailing list - check your spam inbox.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/freylindsa ... 4baba44bb1 - Forbes
https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia ... -in-poland - openDemocracy (Soros' Open Society website promoting pOlITIcAL rIGhTs)
https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/0 ... ds-economy - The Economist
https://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3af ... 1cc67cfeec - Financial Times (in fact self-appointing themselves to arbiters of who is and isn't a refugee "In fact, unlike the Syrian exodus, most Ukrainian arrivals are not refugees fleeing the war-scarred east")
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... -in-russia - BBC talking about Ukrainian 'refugees' with quote marks, but not doing so for others
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-eur ... -of-safety - BBC report talking about Ukrainian "families fleeing homes" as immigrants
https://www.timesofisrael.com/think-mos ... ukrainian/ - Times of Israel

All of these liberal outlets.

The only liberal outlets calling Ukrainians refugees are Refugees International, CBC Canada and United Nations (UNHCR). There's also an article from The Guardian, but, as expected, it is in the Opinion section.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... us-society

For the record, quote marks are used by the BBC when they’re directly quoting someone, not sarcastically to imply the opposite.

Also that doesn't magically make the topic relevant to this thread.

[Des-Bal]

So the problem is he didn't let the unaccompanied minors disembark. Probably should have since the law says he was supposed to.

[Trumptonium1]

Jerusalem Post 'the entry of Ukrainian migrants declaring themselves refugees is a scam and symptom of Israel's dysfunctional asylum policy'

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/22000 ... cam-515336

They're very supportive of non-Ukrainians fleeing to Europe tho.

Oh I forgot New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/worl ... urope.html
"Ukrainian Migrants Fleeing Conflict Get a Cool Reception in Europe"

But when it's Sudanese Migrants Fleeing Poverty they are in fact Refugees.

[Trumptonium1]

For the record, quote marks are used by the BBC when they’re directly quoting someone, not sarcastically to imply the opposite.

Also that doesn't magically make the topic relevant to this thread.

> Brazenly ask a question irrelevant to the thread that is tantamount to fake news
> Get refuted with evidence
> "BUT THIS ISNT RELEVANT TO THE THREAD"

This is peak Vassenor.

[Trumptonium1]

So the problem is he didn't let the unaccompanied minors disembark. Probably should have since the law says he was supposed to.

The law's a bitch sometimes, see France 1789. Seldom times one has to stand up to it.

[Des-Bal]

The law's a bitch sometimes, see France 1789. Seldom times one has to stand up to it.

The law is supposed to be a bitch. We rarely need to bother enshrining into law that people should do things they want to do anyway. Law says unaccompanied kids disembark and until that law is changed politicians should be bound with threat of legal action to comply.

[Reichsstaaten von Germania]

Barely anyone talks about them however, it’s all about the Middle Easterners

Probably because the right wing fringe doesn't talk about them as being refugees because they want that association in order to pander to their racial biases.

I would argue that the left has the racial bias.

[Vassenor]

Probably because the right wing fringe doesn't talk about them as being refugees because they want that association in order to pander to their racial biases.

I would argue that the left has the racial bias.

So which side is conveniently omitting the Eastern European demographic when talking about Refugees all being pure evil?

[Trumptonium1]

The law's a bitch sometimes, see France 1789. Seldom times one has to stand up to it.

The law is supposed to be a bitch. We rarely need to bother enshrining into law that people should do things they want to do anyway. Law says unaccompanied kids disembark and until that law is changed politicians should be bound with threat of legal action to comply.

Well that's a nice way of saying you don't mind SS members harassing Jews.

[Ifreann]

If Ukrainians fleeing Ukraine are refugees, then Matteo Salvini should not be on trial. It's simple logic.

[Reichsstaaten von Germania]

I would argue that the left has the racial bias.

So which side is conveniently omitting the Eastern European demographic when talking about Refugees all being pure evil?

So which side is near completely ignoring white refugees? It does fit their agenda more to victimize non-whites and just keep milking that white guilt.

[Des-Bal]

Well that's a nice way of saying you don't mind SS members harassing Jews.

I'm against it, that's why I think we should have laws against it. You on the other hand see some kind of twisted nobility in allowing rule by fiat.

[Vassenor]

So which side is conveniently omitting the Eastern European demographic when talking about Refugees all being pure evil?

So which side is near completely ignoring white refugees? It does fit their agenda more to victimize non-whites and just keep milking that white guilt.

So where is this ignoring happening? Where is this agenda demonstrated?

[Reichsstaaten von Germania]

So which side is near completely ignoring white refugees? It does fit their agenda more to victimize non-whites and just keep milking that white guilt.

So where is this ignoring happening? Where is this agenda demonstrated?

In the media it’s demonstrated all the time atleast in the states, how evil our government is for turning down immigrants and how we are all rascist for not wanting people who we have no idea of there background in our country when our veterans starve on the streets while these people we owe nothing to get welfare and special treatment.

[Vassenor]

So where is this ignoring happening? Where is this agenda demonstrated?

In the media it’s demonstrated all the time atleast in the states, how evil our government is for turning down immigrants and how we are all rascist for not wanting people who we have no idea of there background in our country when our veterans starve on the streets while these people we owe nothing to get welfare and special treatment.

So where does anyone in that say that white people cannot be refugees?

And how does that relate to this situation in Italy?

[Trumptonium1]

Well that's a nice way of saying you don't mind SS members harassing Jews.

I'm against it, that's why I think we should have laws against it. You on the other hand see some kind of twisted nobility in allowing rule by fiat.

Being against it is meaningless bystanderism. Congrats.

[Reichsstaaten von Germania]

In the media it’s demonstrated all the time atleast in the states, how evil our government is for turning down immigrants and how we are all rascist for not wanting people who we have no idea of there background in our country when our veterans starve on the streets while these people we owe nothing to get welfare and special treatment.

So where does anyone in that say that white people cannot be refugees?

And how does that relate to this situation in Italy?

You asked where, I gave you an example and whites can be refugees it’s just that non whites take priority.

[Des-Bal]

Being against it is meaningless bystanderism. Congrats.

Hence laws. What you're suggesting is that we should disempower laws so that the moment someone says "I'm forming a secret police to harass jews" that's perfectly fine. You aren't actually grasping the ramifications of what you're saying, someone kept some immigrants on a boat so they're on your team and that means laws aren't real.

[Vassenor]

So where does anyone in that say that white people cannot be refugees?

And how does that relate to this situation in Italy?

You asked where, I gave you an example and whites can be refugees it’s just that non whites take priority.

So basically you're pulling oppression out of your ass.

[Reichsstaaten von Germania]

You asked where, I gave you an example and whites can be refugees it’s just that non whites take priority.

So basically you're pulling oppression out of your ass.

I never said oppression, just a double standard. I am not meaning to play the victim but let’s also look at Europe in a whole. Germany’s immigration policy went over smashingly didn’t it? No country should be made to accept people of the government and people don’t want to. No Salvini shouldn’t be tried what else was he supposed to do? Go into international waters and dump them off from where they came? They could be from anywhere and what was he susposed to do leave them alone stranded in the Mediterranean?