by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:44 am
by Democratic Deutschland » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:47 am
by Temporarrium » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:55 am
American Pere Housh wrote:Hello no, he was keeping illegals out of his country. We all know the mods are a bunch of leftists.
by American Pere Housh » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:01 am
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:06 am
Democratic Deutschland wrote:So... people are now being arrested for stopping Illegal Immigration in their Country?
Jeez... I don't even think he should be punished.
by The Grims » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:12 am
Democratic Deutschland wrote:So... people are now being arrested for stopping Illegal Immigration in their Country?
by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:14 am
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:15 am
by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:16 am
Ifreann wrote:The Grims wrote:
Is that abnormal ? Would a Texan vigilante patrolling the border to shoot crossing Mexicans not be punished ?
Let's not accept the framing of this as "stopping illegal immigration". Salvini ordered an Italian coast guard vessel not to allow the people it had rescued from the Mediterranean to disembark.
by Democratic Deutschland » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:17 am
by Chan Island » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:22 am
Democratic Deutschland wrote:The Grims wrote:
Is that abnormal ? Would a Texan vigilante patrolling the border to shoot crossing Mexicans not be punished ?
Ok, so I must've been vague.
No, I don't believe that everyone should be getting off scot free, and a Texan Vigilante shooting mexicans crossing the border (Legally or Illegally) should be punished.
But if you're a leader that's allowing for Illegal Immigrants to be detained and you're being punished for that? You shouldn't be punished.
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:24 am
by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:26 am
Vassenor wrote:So what makes them illegal migrants beyond his saying so?
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:29 am
by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:29 am
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:30 am
Italy closed its ports of entry, remember?
Democratic Deutschland wrote:The Grims wrote:
Is that abnormal ? Would a Texan vigilante patrolling the border to shoot crossing Mexicans not be punished ?
Ok, so I must've been vague.
No, I don't believe that everyone should be getting off scot free, and a Texan Vigilante shooting mexicans crossing the border (Legally or Illegally) should be punished.
But if you're a leader that's allowing for Illegal Immigrants to be detained and you're being punished for that? You shouldn't be punished.
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:31 am
by Ifreann » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:32 am
by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:34 am
Ifreann wrote:Kustonia wrote:
They had the freedom to disembark elsewhere, like Libya.
No, they didn't. The rescued people were on an Italian coast guard vessel. They had no authority over the captain of that vessel, nor did the captain of that vessel have the authority to take it wherever he felt like.
Italy closed its ports of entry, remember?
Ifreann wrote:I don't recall Italy doing anything of the sort.
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:36 am
Kustonia wrote:Ifreann wrote:No, they didn't. The rescued people were on an Italian coast guard vessel. They had no authority over the captain of that vessel, nor did the captain of that vessel have the authority to take it wherever he felt like.
So the captain should be on trial for detaining the migrants, not Salvini.Italy closed its ports of entry, remember?
I don't recall Italy doing anything of the sort.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44668062
Migrants saved by boats run by non-governmental organisations will not be allowed into Italy, rightwing Interior Minister Matteo Salvini says.
by Reichsstaaten von Germania » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:38 am
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:39 am
by Kustonia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:40 am
by Vassenor » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:42 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:43 am
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