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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:53 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety. :roll:


I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.


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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:56 pm

Hakons wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety. :roll:


I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

What? Where did I talk about harm? :eyebrow:
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:59 pm

Hakons wrote:I'm pretty much paraphrasing Justice Scalia, but I guess he didn't understand how the rule of law works?

No, not really. Scalia was a partisan hack with all the intellectual integrity and consistency of a talk show radio host.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:08 pm

Hakons wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety. :roll:


I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How? If same sex marriage upsets you so much then dont marry someone of the same sex. simple as that

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:10 pm

Hakons wrote:I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

There are many things that have harmed the institution and tradition of marriage. The legalization of divorce. The granting of equal rights to the woman in the relationship. The normalization of romantic courting and individuals making choices in marriage partners on their own initiative. The abolition of the legality of marital rape.

Like cutting into a patient with a scalpel to remove a tumor, not all forms of harm are regrettable.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:13 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety. :roll:


I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How is gay marriage harming the tradition of marriage?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:14 pm

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Hakons wrote:
I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How is gay marriage harming the tradition of marriage?


Just spewing nonsense. He was asked that a couple times.
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Postby Korhal IVV » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:23 pm

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Who said it was my religion? You’re making assumptions now.

“Oppressing others”? Like what? Are you referring to the gay couple having a baker refuse to baking them a highly special cake and being there at their wedding?

Or some other form of “right to oppress others with your religious views”?


Easy to assume people talking about it are Religious.

The baker wasn't making a specialized cake. Just normal design; no gay things or references.

Refusal of service in a public entity is forcing your views on people.

The fact a customer is gay is irrelevant. Denial of marriage is religious driven thus oppression.

Never understood why religious people want gays closeted and dating and or marrying our sisters, daughters or mothers again.....

If we are only talking about rights, the baker has the right to refuse service if it is in violation of his own beliefs just as homosexuals have the right to marry (not with standing that many couples didn’t bother to marry at all...). The same should apply to ministers; if it violates their conscience to officiate a homosexual marriage, they have the right to refuse (and refer you to a more liberal minister), because that is violating someone’s own rights. Would it harm you to find another Baker or another minister whose conscience and beliefs won’t be violated?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:24 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Easy to assume people talking about it are Religious.

The baker wasn't making a specialized cake. Just normal design; no gay things or references.

Refusal of service in a public entity is forcing your views on people.

The fact a customer is gay is irrelevant. Denial of marriage is religious driven thus oppression.

Never understood why religious people want gays closeted and dating and or marrying our sisters, daughters or mothers again.....

If we are only talking about rights, the baker has the right to refuse service if it is in violation of his own beliefs just as homosexuals have the right to marry (not with standing that many couples didn’t bother to marry at all...). The same should apply to ministers; if it violates their conscience to officiate a homosexual marriage, they have the right to refuse (and refer you to a more liberal minister), because that is violating someone’s own rights. Would it harm you to find another Baker or another minister whose conscience and beliefs won’t be violated?


So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:26 pm

I somewhat agree with this.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:26 pm

This bill is a stupid attempt to restrict personal freedom, and it will no doubt be struck down under current constitutional jurisprudence.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:28 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I somewhat agree with this.

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:28 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I somewhat agree with this.

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?


He's an ultra conservative Muslim who wants a Caliphate and Shariah law.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I somewhat agree with this.

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?

He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I somewhat agree with this.

Why?
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This bill is a stupid attempt to restrict personal freedom, and it will no doubt be struck down under current constitutional jurisprudence.


Their hope is if it passes the Supreme Court will overturn the Obergefell decision that somehow the 14th amendment doesn't apply to LGBT people. A county clerk is a government employee. They cannot decide what law they will and will not enforce.

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Postby Korhal IVV » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 pm

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Korhal IVV wrote:If we are only talking about rights, the baker has the right to refuse service if it is in violation of his own beliefs just as homosexuals have the right to marry (not with standing that many couples didn’t bother to marry at all...). The same should apply to ministers; if it violates their conscience to officiate a homosexual marriage, they have the right to refuse (and refer you to a more liberal minister), because that is violating someone’s own rights. Would it harm you to find another Baker or another minister whose conscience and beliefs won’t be violated?


So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

Rights aren’t exclusive to the LGBT. Forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple is just as much of a violation of rights as it is to ban same sex marriage (which I do not support, but I won’t care if it passes or not since the world is already on a path it cannot turn from), just as is forcing a conservative minister to officiate a homosexual marriage, which violates the minister’s own beliefs.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:30 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:
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So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

Rights aren’t exclusive to the LGBT. Forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple is just as much of a violation of rights as it is to ban same sex marriage (which I do not support, but I won’t care if it passes or not since the world is already on a path it cannot turn from), just as is forcing a conservative minister to officiate a homosexual marriage, which violates the minister’s own beliefs.


What rights are being violated, and where are they enumerated?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:31 pm

Korhal IVV wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

Rights aren’t exclusive to the LGBT. Forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple is just as much of a violation of rights as it is to ban same sex marriage (which I do not support, but I won’t care if it passes or not since the world is already on a path it cannot turn from), just as is forcing a conservative minister to officiate a homosexual marriage, which violates the minister’s own beliefs.


Sorry what path are you talking about? A minister cannot be forced to officiate a same sex marriage. They have a legal right to refuse.

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Andsed wrote:With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?

He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

So basically you believe that your religion is more important than the rights of millions of people?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:34 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

So basically you believe that your religion is more important than the rights of millions of people?


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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:35 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.


So you religion should be enforced on everyone?
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.


So you religion should be enforced on everyone?

There's a reason why I said "somewhat agree". And you've spoken to me long enough that you should be able to answer that question yourself (no offense).
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