Tennessee to Attempt to Ban Same Sex Marriage

[Andsed]

Precisely meaning that if someone in your system was from a Muslim family and went to the Mosque regularly and they were ousted as gay they can just say they aren’t really Muslim

Or not do any homosexual acts.

Or you could stop being so concerned with something that does effect you at all.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Precisely meaning that if someone in your system was from a Muslim family and went to the Mosque regularly and they were ousted as gay they can just say they aren’t really Muslim

Or not do any homosexual acts.

But they already did
They are now free to say they are not Muslim avoid punishment

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No state should involve itself in religion at all. Every time it does we just get holy wars or the persecution of religious minorities (or more rarely, all religions)

Separation of church and state must be a guaranteed belief in a free state.

Amen! Amen! Can I get an "Amen!"?

[British Tackeettlaus]

If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married.

If you want to stop other people doing something that does not affect you in any way, grow the hell up.

But you see that angers people that just can’t stand two consenting adults having a romantic relationship

It's one of those wedge issues for me.

I can respect peoples opinion about a lot of things, lots of people have very different views about economics and society than me. I'm a socialist, but I respect that people might be a lot more economically right wing because we all have a stake in how a country is run.

But gay marriage is one of those things that has no effect on anyone except homosexuals. If someone opposes gay marriage I just cannot respect that opinion, its petty and malicious and pointless. I could probably still be friends with a libertarian, even if we are politicaly miles apart, but someone who opposes gay marriage, I just would have zero respect for them.

[Vassenor]

The state as a generic entity.

>"the state is not there to enforce religious law"
So you're making an opinion?

No, I'm stating a fact. If it was my opinion, it wouldn't be codified in the Constitution.

[Andsed]

Separation of church and state must be a guaranteed belief in a free state.

Amen! Amen! Can I get an "Amen!"?

AMEN BROTHER!

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Why should gay people be punished because of religion?

Because the Bible says so.

Keep in mind though that homosexuality is only mentioned like, maybe twice in the NT. Most of what people have against homosexuality is in the OT, which Christians aren't supposed to follow.

Y’know, as an early Christian, I’d have much greater concerns (i.e. not ending up in a fucking arena to be eaten alive by animals) than deciding whether two men or women getting it on and loving eachother is icky or not.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Or not do any homosexual acts.

But they already did
They are now free to say they are not Muslim avoid punishment

They can say Muslim and not be punished. There's no punishment in Al-Islam for being homosexual. The penalty is committing the sin of sexual intercourse with the same sex.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>"the state is not there to enforce religious law"
So you're making an opinion?

No, I'm stating a fact. If it was my opinion, it wouldn't be codified in the Constitution.

The constitution is an opinion as well. Also, I wasn't talking about the constitution in this time I've been taking about my proposal.

[Vassenor]

No, I'm stating a fact. If it was my opinion, it wouldn't be codified in the Constitution.

The constitution is an opinion as well. Also, I wasn't talking about the constitution in this time I've been taking about my proposal.

The law of the land is not an opinion. It is an immutable fact.

[Andsed]

No, I'm stating a fact. If it was my opinion, it wouldn't be codified in the Constitution.

The constitution is an opinion as well. Also, I wasn't talking about the constitution in this time I've been taking about my proposal.

The fact is a free and tolerant society can only function without the government enforcing religious law.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Because the Bible says so.

Keep in mind though that homosexuality is only mentioned like, maybe twice in the NT. Most of what people have against homosexuality is in the OT, which Christians aren't supposed to follow.

Y’know, as an early Christian, I’d have much greater concerns (i.e. not ending up in a fucking arena to be eaten alive by animals) than deciding whether two men or women getting it on and loving eachother is icky or not.

IIRC, the New Testament doesn't even specifically call for punishment for homosexuality or gay sex. It just says it's wrong, which is fine because it can be wrong without being punished. We don't arrest people for putting anchovies on pizza, after all.

We probably should though.

[Yusseria]

That law will go down like the Hindenburg if its passed. SCOTUS certainly won't allow it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The constitution is an opinion as well. Also, I wasn't talking about the constitution in this time I've been taking about my proposal.

The law of the land is not an opinion. It is an immutable fact.

An enforced opinion is still an opinion. Yes, it's a fact that the US follows the constituion, it's a fact that the constitution says "separation of church and state". The people who made that up, however, were coming up with which opinions to enforce, that being one of them.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

No, I'm stating a fact. If it was my opinion, it wouldn't be codified in the Constitution.

The constitution is an opinion as well. Also, I wasn't talking about the constitution in this time I've been taking about my proposal.

The Constitution of the United States of America is the highest authority in said United States of America. It is not "an opinion"; it is law.

[Kannap]

Precisely meaning that if someone in your system was from a Muslim family and went to the Mosque regularly and they were ousted as gay they can just say they aren’t really Muslim

Or not do any homosexual acts.

Being Islamic is a choice, being gay isn't.

[Vassenor]

Y’know, as an early Christian, I’d have much greater concerns (i.e. not ending up in a fucking arena to be eaten alive by animals) than deciding whether two men or women getting it on and loving eachother is icky or not.

IIRC, the New Testament doesn't even specifically call for punishment for homosexuality or gay sex. It just says it's wrong, which is fine because it can be wrong without being punished. We don't arrest people for putting anchovies on pizza, after all.

We probably should though.

It's pretty much one of those "Big G will deal with you later" things. But for some reason people decided they needed to usurp his power to judge and start punishing for it.

[British Tackeettlaus]

But they already did
They are now free to say they are not Muslim avoid punishment

They can say Muslim and not be punished. There's no punishment in Al-Islam for being homosexual. The penalty is committing the sin of sexual intercourse with the same sex.

If someone is going to punished for their "sins" for eternity after death, is it really necessary to punish them in this life, rather than just let them make their own choices?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Or not do any homosexual acts.

Being Islamic is a choice, being gay isn't.

That hasn't been proven iirc. Nor did I say anything about being homosexual.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

They can say Muslim and not be punished. There's no punishment in Al-Islam for being homosexual. The penalty is committing the sin of sexual intercourse with the same sex.

If someone is going to punished for their "sins" for eternity after death, is it really necessary to punish them in this life, rather than just let them make their own choices?

Yes. Using this logic you said causes a slippery slope.

[Yusseria]

But they already did
They are now free to say they are not Muslim avoid punishment

They can say Muslim and not be punished. There's no punishment in Al-Islam for being homosexual. The penalty is committing the sin of sexual intercourse with the same sex.

Aren't they whipped if they have gay sex?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The law of the land is not an opinion. It is an immutable fact.

An enforced opinion is still an opinion. Yes, it's a fact that the US follows the constituion, it's a fact that the constitution says "separation of church and state". The people who made that up, however, were coming up with which opinions to enforce, that being one of them.

What a profoundly absurd argument you've just made.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

IIRC, the New Testament doesn't even specifically call for punishment for homosexuality or gay sex. It just says it's wrong, which is fine because it can be wrong without being punished. We don't arrest people for putting anchovies on pizza, after all.

We probably should though.

It's pretty much one of those "Big G will deal with you later" things. But for some reason people decided they needed to usurp his power to judge and start punishing for it.

Welcome to organized religion, how may I take your order?

[Kannap]

Being Islamic is a choice, being gay isn't.

That hasn't been proven iirc. Nor did I say anything about being homosexual.

Homosexual people are gonna do gay things; heterosexuals are gonna do straight things. that's just how it is.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

IIRC, the New Testament doesn't even specifically call for punishment for homosexuality or gay sex. It just says it's wrong, which is fine because it can be wrong without being punished. We don't arrest people for putting anchovies on pizza, after all.

We probably should though.

It's pretty much one of those "Big G will deal with you later" things. But for some reason people decided they needed to usurp his power to judge and start punishing for it.

That's because they keep reading the wrong Testament, as mentioned earlier. They're literally preaching heresy - no joke.