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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:The Supreme Court is the highest judicial authority in the US; you can't go around it. That's blatantly illegal.

Which shows how much of an asshole these guy is
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Idc

The constitution fotbids establishing a religion or restricting the free exercise therof. It’s in the first amendment

Riddle me this what do you think of same sex couples adopting? In some cases it’s the only family they have ever known. A friend of mine was raised by two men

Same thing as I said about this.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Idc

You should. Your religion does not trump peoples rights to get married and the government should not be forcing people to follow any part of their religion if they don’t want to follow that part.


Ignore him, he's a theocrat. He doesn't care that we have our own secular laws and don't want Sharia Law ruining our country.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:41 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Yes they are.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:41 pm

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Sure you do if you need the laws of man to bend to it.

I'm not using any laws of man.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:41 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The constitution fotbids establishing a religion or restricting the free exercise therof. It’s in the first amendment

Riddle me this what do you think of same sex couples adopting? In some cases it’s the only family they have ever known. A friend of mine was raised by two men

Same thing as I said about this.

Which is it shouldn’t be allowed?

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:42 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:The Supreme Court is the highest judicial authority in the US; you can't go around it. That's blatantly illegal.

Which shows how much of an asshole these guy is


Only thing it shows me is some crooks that need a visit from the FBI.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:43 pm

New haven america wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Like?

I like that.

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Yes they are.

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Same thing as I said about this.

Which is it shouldn’t be allowed?

Both of you please read this:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:43 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Andsed wrote:You should. Your religion does not trump peoples rights to get married and the government should not be forcing people to follow any part of their religion if they don’t want to follow that part.


Ignore him, he's a theocrat. He doesn't care that we have our own secular laws and don't want Sharia Law ruining our country.

No no, you see, he only wants Sharia Law to apply to Muslims.

When it comes to Christians or Jew, they'd have to follow Biblical and Jewish laws respectively. Same thing goes for Hindus or Buddhists who have to follow their own religion's laws, while atheists get to follow Secular laws.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:44 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes they are.

San Lumen wrote:Which is it shouldn’t be allowed?

Both of you please read this:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:45 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes they are.

San Lumen wrote:Which is it shouldn’t be allowed?

Both of you please read this:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.
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I fail to see how you would enforce that. Religious beliefs was a argument used to justify bans on interracial marriage as well

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:I fail to see how you would enforce that.

The same way that every law is enforced.
San Lumen wrote:Religious beliefs was a argument used to justify bans on interracial marriage as well

This invalidates my argument how? I don't know a religion which believes this.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/08/tennessee-marriage-defense-act-would-ban-same-sex-marriage/2805983002/

A bill has been introduced into the Tennessee Legislature that would effectively ban same sex marriage.

The bill would prohibit government officials especially county clerks issuing marriage certificates from recognizing any court ruling that affirms same-sex unions, and specifies they cannot be arrested for failing to comply with court orders that do so.

The bills sponsor Rep Jerry Sexton(R) stated that the U.S. Supreme Court's 2015 decision to legalize same-sex marriage is void in Tennessee because the state has already passed its own law and constitutional amendment limiting marriage to one man and one woman. This is totally bogus argument as the decisions of the Supreme Court apply to every state.

The proposed law also requires the states Attorney General to defend the law in court. This same bill was introduced last session and failed to get any traction.

It appears this whole thing is attempt to get the issue back before the Supreme Court where the right hopes the court will rule there is no right for LGBT couples to marry or adopt. I don't see how this law would be upheld in court or by SCOTUS as the Obergefell decision which legalized same sex marriage and adoption nationwide was decided under the 14th amendment and you would have to somehow prove it doesnt apply to LGBT people.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Both of you please read this:

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.


I fail to see how you would enforce that. Religious beliefs was a argument used to justify bans on interracial marriage as well



Same way Saudi Arabia enforces it's own theocratic laws.

I hear they're quite unpleasant about it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes they are.

San Lumen wrote:Which is it shouldn’t be allowed?

Both of you please read this:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.


Your belief is flawed. It makes the astronomical assumption people would limit it to themselves. They won't.

Again. Your faith issues are not our concern. You should need a law to make you follow your faith.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:50 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I fail to see how you would enforce that. Religious beliefs was a argument used to justify bans on interracial marriage as well



Same way Saudi Arabia enforces it's own theocratic laws.

I hear they're quite unpleasant about it.

Or how other countries enforce laws. There's more countries than Saudi.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Both of you please read this:


Your belief is flawed. It makes the astronomical assumption people would limit it to themselves. They won't.

Again. Your faith issues are not our concern. You should need a law to make you follow your faith.

I do not have issues with my religion.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Same way Saudi Arabia enforces it's own theocratic laws.

I hear they're quite unpleasant about it.

Or how other countries enforce laws. There's more countries than Saudi.

And how exactly do you plan on identifying peoples religion? Also can you please address this:


Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Idc

You should. Your religion does not trump peoples rights to get married and the government should not be forcing people to follow any part of their religion if they don’t want to follow that part.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Same way Saudi Arabia enforces it's own theocratic laws.

I hear they're quite unpleasant about it.

Or how other countries enforce laws. There's more countries than Saudi.


There are indeed, but most use secular law which has secular punishments. Seeing as you're against secularism...
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Your belief is flawed. It makes the astronomical assumption people would limit it to themselves. They won't.

Again. Your faith issues are not our concern. You should need a law to make you follow your faith.

I do not have issues with my religion.


Ah but you do if you need laws to make you follow it.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Your belief is flawed. It makes the astronomical assumption people would limit it to themselves. They won't.

Again. Your faith issues are not our concern. You should need a law to make you follow your faith.

I do not have issues with my religion.


Maybe that is the issue, hm?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:55 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Or how other countries enforce laws. There's more countries than Saudi.

And how exactly do you plan on identifying peoples religion?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.

Andsed wrote:Also can you please address this:
Andsed wrote:You should. Your religion does not trump peoples rights to get married and the government should not be forcing people to follow any part of their religion if they don’t want to follow that part.

What do you want me to say? It's an opinion.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:57 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:And how exactly do you plan on identifying peoples religion?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.

Andsed wrote:Also can you please address this:

What do you want me to say? It's an opinion.

I want you to give me one good reason why the government should force people to follow parts of their religion they don't want to follow.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:58 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

What do you want me to say? It's an opinion.

I want you to give me one good reason why the government should force people to follow parts of their religion they don't want to follow.

Why? My good reasons won't convince you either way. But i coudl ask you this question: why should i be forvdd to follow parts of American law I don't want to follow?
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