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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:19 pm
by San Lumen
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:19 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Confederate States of German America wrote:
A Republican SCOTUS can revoke the previous ruling, although I doubt until Roberts is replaced they will. More importantly, if the GOP had any balls, they could do an end run around the issue by limiting what SCOTUS can review; the mandate of the Court can be controlled by Congressional legislation, and the GOP could, in theory, pass legislation preventing the Court from reviewing cases of this nature. That they never have speaks volumes about their convictions on a personal level.

What is it with some right wingers and wanting to oppress minorities?

It’s fun

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:20 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Yeah that last sentence was something I was thinking about, too. But:
1: Those badges weren't specifically what I was thinking about.
2: My intent is different.


Intent and practice are not always aligned. Anything with labeling is usually a bad idea.

If you need laws like banning same sex marriage.....your faith is rather weak.

The last sentence doesn't even make sense. Some religions have laws go be enforced, doesn't make them weak. Religions laws don't show weakness, just like laws in general don't show weakness of a nation.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:25 pm
by The Black Forrest
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Intent and practice are not always aligned. Anything with labeling is usually a bad idea.

If you need laws like banning same sex marriage.....your faith is rather weak.

The last sentence doesn't even make sense. Some religions have laws go be enforced, doesn't make them weak. Religions laws don't show weakness, just like laws in general don't show weakness of a nation.


Actually it makes complete sense. Religion is faith based. Needing the laws of man to have people follow it is a sign of weakness.......or intolerance.

Luckily, I don't have to worry as our laws keep the want of a theocracy in check.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:26 pm
by The Greater Ohio Valley
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:What is it with some right wingers and wanting to oppress minorities?

It’s fun

Maybe if the oppressor has a form of psychopathy or something.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:27 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Yes

In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:28 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
The Black Forrest wrote:Religion is faith based.

Most religions have more than faith to them.
The Black Forrest wrote:Needing the laws of man to have people follow it is a sign of weakness.......or intolerance.

To me it shows order.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:28 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Literally read the plethora of conversations we’ve had on the subject

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:30 pm
by The Black Forrest
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.


Don't you guys have rules about spreading lies?

Her job doesn't involve Religious laws. It's fulling the process of a legal document.

She tried force her religious views on others and was rightfully terminated.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:30 pm
by New haven america
Thermodolia wrote:They can’t do anything. Why? Because SCOTUS already ruled that marriage equality is legal so the bill would be automatically null and void

They said the same thing about abortion and yet we're still fucking fighting over that and it's been either illegalized or heavily overregulated to the point of uselessness in ~1/2 of the country.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:31 pm
by New haven america
I find it funny that the guy trying to ban gay marriage has the last name of Sexton.

There's my sophomoric humor at work. Laugh!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:32 pm
by San Lumen
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Clergy have always had that right. In no state can they be forced to preform a marriage

A county or city clerk works for all. They have no right no pick
And choose who they will apply the law too. If your not going to apply it equally then resign

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:33 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.


Don't you guys have rules about spreading lies?

Her job doesn't involve Religious laws. It's fulling the process of a legal document.

She tried force her religious views on others and was rightfully terminated.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about how my proposal would work.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:33 pm
by The Black Forrest
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Religion is faith based.

Most religions have more than faith to them.


Correct. The tend to exemplify what is wrong with Religion.

The Black Forrest wrote:Needing the laws of man to have people follow it is a sign of weakness.......or intolerance.

To me it shows order.


Your problems with your faith are not my problem. You have to sort that out yourself.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Like?

I like that.

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Clergy have always had that right. In no state can they be forced to preform a marriage

A county or city clerk works for all. They have no right no pick
And choose who they will apply the law too. If your not going to apply it equally then resign

In case you didn't know I'm not taking about the law in its present form.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 pm
by Andsed
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?

Like?
San Lumen wrote:Firstly clergy cannot be forced to be preform same sex marriages. They have a legal
Right to refuse.

I like that.
San Lumen wrote:A county or city clerk is a government employee they do not have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others

They aren't. They are enforcing religious law on those whose religion or lack thereof forbids or allows it. They aren't enforcing their own religion on people.

Because quite frankly the government has no right to push any religious laws on someone even if they are of that religion. If someone wishes to follow parts of their religion and ignore other parts that is their choice and the government has no place in trying to change that.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:34 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
The Black Forrest wrote:Your problems with your faith

I don't have any problems with Al-Islam.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm
by San Lumen
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Clergy have always had that right. In no state can they be forced to preform a marriage

A county or city clerk works for all. They have no right no pick
And choose who they will apply the law too. If your not going to apply it equally then resign

In case you didn't know I'm not taking about the law in its present form.

The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:35 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
San Lumen wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:In case you didn't know I'm not taking about the law in its present form.

The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

Idc

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
Sigh
Amun’s ideal form of government is a form of theocracy for each religion. The idea is that religious freedom would be preserved while allowing theocracy to exist
For clarification to those who haven’t discussed this with him prior

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:39 pm
by The Black Forrest
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Your problems with your faith

I don't have any problems with Al-Islam.


Sure you do if you need the laws of man to bend to it.

Al-Islam is not without fault. I know an ex Muslim who had to flee his country because some practitioners of Al-Islam were coming to kill him in the middle of the night. He is gay.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:39 pm
by Andsed
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

Idc

You should. Your religion does not trump peoples rights to get married and the government should not be forcing people to follow any part of their religion if they don’t want to follow that part.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:39 pm
by Trollzyn the Infinite
The Supreme Court is the highest judicial authority in the US; you can't go around it. That's blatantly illegal.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm
by San Lumen
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The law your proposing sounds blantenty unconstitutional

Idc

The constitution fotbids establishing a religion or restricting the free exercise therof. It’s in the first amendment

Riddle me this what do you think of same sex couples adopting? In some cases it’s the only family they have ever known. A friend of mine was raised by two men

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:40 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sigh
Amun’s ideal form of government is a form of theocracy for each religion. The idea is that religious freedom would be preserved while allowing theocracy to exist
For clarification to those who haven’t discussed this with him prior

For more info, please read this.