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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:42 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This bill is a stupid attempt to restrict personal freedom, and it will no doubt be struck down under current constitutional jurisprudence.


Their hope is if it passes the Supreme Court will overturn the Obergefell decision that somehow the 14th amendment doesn't apply to LGBT people. A county clerk is a government employee. They cannot decide what law they will and will not enforce.

I am well aware of that; I don't think the plan will work.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:46 pm

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So you religion should be enforced on everyone?

There's a reason why I said "somewhat agree". And you've spoken to me long enough that you should be able to answer that question yourself (no offense).

What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:47 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:There's a reason why I said "somewhat agree". And you've spoken to me long enough that you should be able to answer that question yourself (no offense).

What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:49 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

And how exactly would you enforce that?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:What do you mean by somewhat agree? Do you mean you agree with the concept or what?

I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

Denying someone's feelings on the basis of religion is still fucked up. Especially when that religion has a "Believe or you will burn" penalty to it.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:53 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I believe that if this should be passed, it should only apply to those whose religion forbids homosexual acts. Others whose religion or lack thereof doesn't forbid homosexuality can do it.

And how exactly would you enforce that?

....just like how every law is enforced? Or are you asking how will the marriage licensers know the religion of the newlyweds to-be?
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Postby Manchuria » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:53 pm

I'm pretty sure more people in TN support ssm than don't...
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:And how exactly would you enforce that?

....just like how every law is enforced? Or are you asking how will the marriage licensers know the religion of the newlyweds to-be?

The last part.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:56 pm

Manchuria wrote:I'm pretty sure more people in TN support ssm than don't...

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/rep ... x-marriage
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:58 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:....just like how every law is enforced? Or are you asking how will the marriage licensers know the religion of the newlyweds to-be?

The last part.

I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.
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Postby Manchuria » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:59 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Manchuria wrote:I'm pretty sure more people in TN support ssm than don't...

https://newschannel9.com/news/local/rep ... x-marriage

What percentage is actually opposed? I'm pretty sure this counts undecided.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:04 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:The last part.

I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.

So basically this law would be completely unenforceable as well as oppressive. Got it.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:05 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.

So basically this law would be completely unenforceable as well as oppressive. Got it.


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.

So basically this law would be completely unenforceable.

I didn't say that.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:09 pm

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Andsed wrote:The last part.

I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.


Hmmm you maybe on to something. We should make all Muslims wear red crescents on their clothing so we can identify them.

The last time something like that done was pretty bad.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:09 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:So basically this law would be completely unenforceable.

I didn't say that.


How do you enforce it? Morality police?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess asking. Or some kind of way to find someone's religious identification. I wanna say some kind of physical identification.


Hmmm you maybe on to something. We should make all Muslims wear red crescents on their clothing so we can identify them.

The last time something like that done was pretty bad.

Yeah that last sentence was something I was thinking about, too. But:
1: Those badges weren't specifically what I was thinking about.
2: My intent is different.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I didn't say that.


How do you enforce it? Morality police?

No, just police.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:12 pm

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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:12 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:So basically this law would be completely unenforceable.

I didn't say that.

Well then let me break it down for you. Unless we were to go full authoritarian and force people to start wearing badges based on their religion(remember what happened the last time a country did that?) this law would be unenforceable. Someone could just lie and say their atheist. And besides the government should not be doing this kind of stuff. If someone wants to follow parts of their religion and ignore others that is their business no one else's.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sigh is it Amin telling people theocracy is cool time again?

Yes
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:15 pm

This is a load of balls, doubt it will pass though.

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sigh is it Amin telling people theocracy is cool time again?

Yes

Theocracy and Religious laws are a load of balls.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:15 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm you maybe on to something. We should make all Muslims wear red crescents on their clothing so we can identify them.

The last time something like that done was pretty bad.

Yeah that last sentence was something I was thinking about, too. But:
1: Those badges weren't specifically what I was thinking about.
2: My intent is different.


Intent and practice are not always aligned. Anything with labeling is usually a bad idea.

If you need laws like banning same sex marriage.....your faith is rather weak.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:15 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Sigh is it Amin telling people theocracy is cool time again?

Yes

In spite of the many times we’ve explained the plethora of freedom problems that arise even in your brand of it?
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It would still get rejected, even with a Republican SCOTUS.

Being Republican doesn’t make someone literally Hitler 2.0, just FYI.


A Republican SCOTUS can revoke the previous ruling, although I doubt until Roberts is replaced they will. More importantly, if the GOP had any balls, they could do an end run around the issue by limiting what SCOTUS can review; the mandate of the Court can be controlled by Congressional legislation, and the GOP could, in theory, pass legislation preventing the Court from reviewing cases of this nature. That they never have speaks volumes about their convictions on a personal level.

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