Tennessee to Attempt to Ban Same Sex Marriage

[The Black Forrest]

So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety.

I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How?

[Internationalist Bastard]

That feel when it’s already been resolved but you’re such a homophobe you’re gonna bring it back anyway

[The New California Republic]

So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety.

I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

What? Where did I talk about harm?

[Conserative Morality]

I'm pretty much paraphrasing Justice Scalia, but I guess he didn't understand how the rule of law works?

No, not really. Scalia was a partisan hack with all the intellectual integrity and consistency of a talk show radio host.

[San Lumen]

So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety.

I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How? If same sex marriage upsets you so much then dont marry someone of the same sex. simple as that

[Conserative Morality]

I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

There are many things that have harmed the institution and tradition of marriage. The legalization of divorce. The granting of equal rights to the woman in the relationship. The normalization of romantic courting and individuals making choices in marriage partners on their own initiative. The abolition of the legality of marital rape.

Like cutting into a patient with a scalpel to remove a tumor, not all forms of harm are regrettable.

[Andsed]

So? The 14th Amendment can apply to a multitude of laws. Just because it can be used to enforce a particular law you don't like is a pretty piss-poor reason to rail against it in its entirety.

I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How is gay marriage harming the tradition of marriage?

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not harmed, but the institution and tradition of marriage is.

How is gay marriage harming the tradition of marriage?

Just spewing nonsense. He was asked that a couple times.

[Korhal IVV]

Who said it was my religion? You’re making assumptions now.

“Oppressing others”? Like what? Are you referring to the gay couple having a baker refuse to baking them a highly special cake and being there at their wedding?

Or some other form of “right to oppress others with your religious views”?

Easy to assume people talking about it are Religious.

The baker wasn't making a specialized cake. Just normal design; no gay things or references.

Refusal of service in a public entity is forcing your views on people.

The fact a customer is gay is irrelevant. Denial of marriage is religious driven thus oppression.

Never understood why religious people want gays closeted and dating and or marrying our sisters, daughters or mothers again.....

If we are only talking about rights, the baker has the right to refuse service if it is in violation of his own beliefs just as homosexuals have the right to marry (not with standing that many couples didn’t bother to marry at all...). The same should apply to ministers; if it violates their conscience to officiate a homosexual marriage, they have the right to refuse (and refer you to a more liberal minister), because that is violating someone’s own rights. Would it harm you to find another Baker or another minister whose conscience and beliefs won’t be violated?

[Vassenor]

Easy to assume people talking about it are Religious.

The baker wasn't making a specialized cake. Just normal design; no gay things or references.

Refusal of service in a public entity is forcing your views on people.

The fact a customer is gay is irrelevant. Denial of marriage is religious driven thus oppression.

Never understood why religious people want gays closeted and dating and or marrying our sisters, daughters or mothers again.....

If we are only talking about rights, the baker has the right to refuse service if it is in violation of his own beliefs just as homosexuals have the right to marry (not with standing that many couples didn’t bother to marry at all...). The same should apply to ministers; if it violates their conscience to officiate a homosexual marriage, they have the right to refuse (and refer you to a more liberal minister), because that is violating someone’s own rights. Would it harm you to find another Baker or another minister whose conscience and beliefs won’t be violated?

So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I somewhat agree with this.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This bill is a stupid attempt to restrict personal freedom, and it will no doubt be struck down under current constitutional jurisprudence.

[Andsed]

I somewhat agree with this.

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I somewhat agree with this.

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?

He's an ultra conservative Muslim who wants a Caliphate and Shariah law.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I somewhat agree with this.

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?

He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

[San Lumen]

I somewhat agree with this.

Why?

This bill is a stupid attempt to restrict personal freedom, and it will no doubt be struck down under current constitutional jurisprudence.

Their hope is if it passes the Supreme Court will overturn the Obergefell decision that somehow the 14th amendment doesn't apply to LGBT people. A county clerk is a government employee. They cannot decide what law they will and will not enforce.

[Korhal IVV]

If we are only talking about rights, the baker has the right to refuse service if it is in violation of his own beliefs just as homosexuals have the right to marry (not with standing that many couples didn’t bother to marry at all...). The same should apply to ministers; if it violates their conscience to officiate a homosexual marriage, they have the right to refuse (and refer you to a more liberal minister), because that is violating someone’s own rights. Would it harm you to find another Baker or another minister whose conscience and beliefs won’t be violated?

So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

Rights aren’t exclusive to the LGBT. Forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple is just as much of a violation of rights as it is to ban same sex marriage (which I do not support, but I won’t care if it passes or not since the world is already on a path it cannot turn from), just as is forcing a conservative minister to officiate a homosexual marriage, which violates the minister’s own beliefs.

[Vassenor]

So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

Rights aren’t exclusive to the LGBT. Forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple is just as much of a violation of rights as it is to ban same sex marriage (which I do not support, but I won’t care if it passes or not since the world is already on a path it cannot turn from), just as is forcing a conservative minister to officiate a homosexual marriage, which violates the minister’s own beliefs.

What rights are being violated, and where are they enumerated?

[San Lumen]

So we're playing the "we need our fee-fees protected" and "it's not discrimination if you can go somewhere else" cards.

Rights aren’t exclusive to the LGBT. Forcing a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple is just as much of a violation of rights as it is to ban same sex marriage (which I do not support, but I won’t care if it passes or not since the world is already on a path it cannot turn from), just as is forcing a conservative minister to officiate a homosexual marriage, which violates the minister’s own beliefs.

Sorry what path are you talking about? A minister cannot be forced to officiate a same sex marriage. They have a legal right to refuse.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

With the bill? Why would you agree to something so homophobic?

He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

[Andsed]

He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

So basically you believe that your religion is more important than the rights of millions of people?

[Washington Resistance Army]

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

So basically you believe that your religion is more important than the rights of millions of people?

He unironically defends slavery because it's in the Quran. You're not gonna make any progress here.

[San Lumen]

He is a conservative Muslim. Christianity isn't the only religion that has adherents promoting social conservatism.

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

So you religion should be enforced on everyone?

[Karu Nadu]

What a shitty idea.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

^This, though agreeing with this bill doesn't make me a conservative Muslim. Al-Islam opposes homosexuality so that's not really a conservative or liberal thing Islamically speaking.

So you religion should be enforced on everyone?

There's a reason why I said "somewhat agree". And you've spoken to me long enough that you should be able to answer that question yourself (no offense).