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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:15 pm

Yusseria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and the fact that they cancelled the second HQ all together shows they were never serious about the proposal and simply looking for a way out.

No, they're looking for another city to build it in.

I don't get why you're trying so hard to act like it's a bad thing. You apparently live in NYC, yes? And you love the city, yes? Then why are you so happy that your city blew a fantastic opportunity? Cuomo and de Blasio hate each other, but building this new HQ was one they could agree on.


They said they are not. And I do.

This was not a fantastic opportunity. It would have made a already gentrified area even pricer and put a massive strain on infrastructure.

This is a getting off topic

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:15 pm

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Ethel mermania wrote:Wrong again they were all new hires, Amazon also committed to pipeline projects with the local hs, and LaGuardia community college. LIC is already gentrified, And what is in greenpoint is either early hipster or mostly abandoned industrial that needs serious remediation before it can be even considered cor brownfield developement which will take a boatload of private money to do.

and the fact that they cancelled the second HQ all together shows they were never serious about the proposal and simply looking for a way out.

Not at all. I doubt Amazon would put forward the proposal with the intention of withdrawing it at a later date, as the planning for it has likely cost them a considerable amount of money already. What would be the point?

The actual reason was the backlash to the incentives that the city had promised:

City and state leaders had agreed to provide about $3bn (£2.3bn) in incentives to secure that investment.

Those subsidies had prompted fierce backlash in some quarters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47245877
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:This is a getting off topic

I mean the thread is about the development of New York and housing shortages etc, so it isn't a million miles off...
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Postby Novus America » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:26 pm

Yusseria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and the fact that they cancelled the second HQ all together shows they were never serious about the proposal and simply looking for a way out.

No, they're looking for another city to build it in.

I don't get why you're trying so hard to act like it's a bad thing. You apparently live in NYC, yes? And you love the city, yes? Then why are you so happy that your city blew a fantastic opportunity? Cuomo and de Blasio hate each other, but building this new HQ was one they could agree on.


Cuomo and de Blasio Epic Fail. In other news Pope still Catholic and bears still shit in woods.

Why do New Yorkers keep electing those fools?
Big blow to them as this was one of their big programs.
But people still vote for them because reasons.

We can talk about affordable housing plans all we want. But with these idiot scumbags in power nothing will actually get done of course.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Yusseria wrote:No, they're looking for another city to build it in.

I don't get why you're trying so hard to act like it's a bad thing. You apparently live in NYC, yes? And you love the city, yes? Then why are you so happy that your city blew a fantastic opportunity? Cuomo and de Blasio hate each other, but building this new HQ was one they could agree on.


They said they are not. And I do.

This was not a fantastic opportunity. It would have made a already gentrified area even pricer and put a massive strain on infrastructure.

And this is what happens when a city has jobs. People simply want to live there more than there are places to house them.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:56 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
They said they are not. And I do.

This was not a fantastic opportunity. It would have made a already gentrified area even pricer and put a massive strain on infrastructure.

And this is what happens when a city has jobs. People simply want to live there more than there are places to house them.

Then build more housing to accommodate them not luxury housing for the uber rich they will likely never spend a day in

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:58 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:And this is what happens when a city has jobs. People simply want to live there more than there are places to house them.

Then build more housing to accommodate them not luxury housing for the uber rich they will likely never spend a day in

If there is a market for them, and there aren't restrictive laws, you can be damn sure they will be built.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:59 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Then build more housing to accommodate them not luxury housing for the uber rich they will likely never spend a day in

If there is a market for them, and there aren't restrictive laws, you can be damn sure they will be built.


The law should be changed to ban the buildings mentioned in the OP

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:If there is a market for them, and there aren't restrictive laws, you can be damn sure they will be built.


The law should be changed to ban the buildings mentioned in the OP

Why?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:01 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
The law should be changed to ban the buildings mentioned in the OP

Why?

Because all its doing is wasting land and driving up rent for everyone else.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Why?

Because all its doing is wasting land and driving up rent for everyone else.

If they were wasting land, nobody would pay millions of bucks for that.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:04 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Because all its doing is wasting land and driving up rent for everyone else.

If they were wasting land, nobody would pay millions of bucks for that.


Its funded by foreign oligarchs who simply want to park their obscene wealth. No property tax will be collected

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:If they were wasting land, nobody would pay millions of bucks for that.


Its funded by foreign oligarchs who simply want to park their obscene wealth.

By putting money in the NY economy?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:If they were wasting land, nobody would pay millions of bucks for that.


Its funded by foreign oligarchs who simply want to park their obscene wealth. No property tax will be collected

That's Xenophobia you racist >:(
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:07 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its funded by foreign oligarchs who simply want to park their obscene wealth.

By putting money in the NY economy?

How is it putting money the economy?
Free Arabian Nation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its funded by foreign oligarchs who simply want to park their obscene wealth. No property tax will be collected

That's Xenophobia you racist >:(


Sorry i dont see where the xenophobia is

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:By putting money in the NY economy?

How is it putting money the economy?

Paying the landowners, workers, suppliers, etc.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:Sorry i dont see where the xenophobia is

You're against foreigners buying land in your nation for economic purposes. Clear cut Xenophobia.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:11 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Sorry i dont see where the xenophobia is

You're against foreigners buying land in your nation for economic purposes. Clear cut Xenophobia.


I am not against foreigners in anyway. I dont like land being bought up by insanely wealthy people and jacking up the prices for everyone else and forcing them out of the city.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You're against foreigners buying land in your nation for economic purposes. Clear cut Xenophobia.


I am not against foreigners in anyway. I dont like land being bought up by insanely wealthy people and jacking up the prices for everyone else and forcing them out of the city.

And instead you want to drive out the investors?
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:You're against foreigners buying land in your nation for economic purposes. Clear cut Xenophobia.


I am not against foreigners in anyway. I dont like land being bought up by insanely wealthy people and jacking up the prices for everyone else and forcing them out of the city.

Which you have yet to prove even happens

I think you're just trying to cover up the fact you don't like foreigners buying expensive land nobody was gonna buy anyway because you're a racist.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:No property tax will be collected

That is just patently untrue.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:14 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I am not against foreigners in anyway. I dont like land being bought up by insanely wealthy people and jacking up the prices for everyone else and forcing them out of the city.

And instead you want to drive out the investors?


Id rather build housing for the average person
Free Arabian Nation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I am not against foreigners in anyway. I dont like land being bought up by insanely wealthy people and jacking up the prices for everyone else and forcing them out of the city.

Which you have yet to prove even happens

I think you're just trying to cover up the fact you don't like foreigners buying expensive land nobody was gonna buy anyway because you're a racist.


In what way am I a racist?

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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:In what way am I a racist?

You don't like foreigners, at all. Clearly, you are a nativist and hate all others outside your nation. That's extremely racist
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:16 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:And instead you want to drive out the investors?


Id rather build housing for the average person

And why should the average person have such power over those with resources?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:18 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:In what way am I a racist?

You don't like foreigners, at all. Clearly, you are a nativist and hate all others outside your nation. That's extremely racist


I;ll take things I didnt say for 2000 please.
Petrolheadia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Id rather build housing for the average person

And why should the average person have such power over those with resources?


Because they are the ones who contribute to the city daily and and live there not some oligarch in Russia.

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