Buying Airspace?

[Grinning Dragon]

Yes it is.

how?

Life ain't fair, never has been never will be.

[San Lumen]

how?

Life ain't fair, never has been never will be.

I never said it was

[San Lumen]

So whats your solution then?

Well banning homes for rich people certainly ain't on the top of my list, but I think a massive growth horizontally is needed. Crowding humans, a creature that needs fresh air and open spaces, in a small area is a bad idea IMO.

Ok but building such buildings for rich people who will never spend a day there does nothing. So you want more urban sprawl? Lets cut down more trees to build cookie cutter housing in suburbs?

[Free Arabian Nation]

Well banning homes for rich people certainly ain't on the top of my list, but I think a massive growth horizontally is needed. Crowding humans, a creature that needs fresh air and open spaces, in a small area is a bad idea IMO.

Ok but building such buildings for rich people who will never spend a day there does nothing. So you want more urban sprawl? Lets cut down more trees to build cookie cutter housing in suburbs?

It adds more houses, doesn't it?

And you say the latter like it's a bad thing

[San Lumen]

Ok but building such buildings for rich people who will never spend a day there does nothing. So you want more urban sprawl? Lets cut down more trees to build cookie cutter housing in suburbs?

It adds more houses, doesn't it?

And you say the latter like it's a bad thing

Yes it is a bad thing

[Free Arabian Nation]

It adds more houses, doesn't it?

And you say the latter like it's a bad thing

Yes it is a bad thing

So you don't want more houses built in the cities and you don't want cities to expand at the same time?

Do you just want massive communal homes where hundreds of people live in an apartment meant for 10?

[The New California Republic]

Yes it is a bad thing

So you don't want more houses built in the cities and you don't want cities to expand at the same time?

Do you just want massive communal homes where hundreds of people live in an apartment meant for 10?

Micro apartments.

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/02/13/388-f ... vid-baker/

[Prusenreich]

I agree that the towers are ugly and should be removed but the rich people basically control the government

[Free Arabian Nation]

So you don't want more houses built in the cities and you don't want cities to expand at the same time?

Do you just want massive communal homes where hundreds of people live in an apartment meant for 10?

Micro apartments.

https://www.dezeen.com/2019/02/13/388-f ... vid-baker/

1. Those look like overglorified prison cells
2. Dear god my claustrophobia.

[Ifreann]

No but its not fair to the average resident to push them out so rich folk can by up all the land and build monasteries no one will occupy

It's not like the poor could afford it anyway.

The land these uber-expensive towers are built on is in areas where land is too expensive anyway. A person buying a 100$ Ice Cream is not forcing the poor to not buy Ice Cream.

Also, this is ignoring the fact that it's still building rooms for people to live in. I think what's causing the problem you're having in New York is not because of some "Ugly Towers kicking people out somehow", but rather the fact that big cities with overpopulation are a massive problem. When you have 8.6 Million people stuck inside an area smaller than Malta, you're gonna have problems with there not being enough room, resources, and money to house all of them sufficiently.

There probably is enough room to house them. There are more empty housing units in NYC than there are homeless people. But. Most of those empty units are only empty temporarily, someone is planning to move in but hasn't done so yet or there's renovations under way, and there are certainly more homeless people in NYC than can be counted in homeless shelters. But but. There's something like four times more empty units than people staying in homeless shelters. I'd say that there's a good chance that there's enough housing for all the homeless. What's lacking is the political will to actually do this.

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how?

Life ain't fair, never has been never will be.

A common observation. However, if you continue to think after making this observation you will note that life, in various ways, has gone from being less fair to being more fair. Assuming you have some general familiarity with history, of course. We could, with concerted effort, continue to make life more fair. This would seem to me to be a much more desirable course of action than just throwing up our hands, proclaiming life to be unfair, and tolerating the status quo. I trust you agree.

[Des-Bal]

No but its not fair to the average resident to push them out so rich folk can by up all the land and build monasteries no one will occupy

It's totally fair move to detroit.

[Kernen]

I have a hard time being upset about efforts that have the net effect of eradicating urban populations in favor of more pleasant suburbs. With a little luck, the US can eventually get to the point where I never need to set foot in a city again. Vile things, cities.

[San Lumen]

Yes it is a bad thing

So you don't want more houses built in the cities and you don't want cities to expand at the same time?

Do you just want massive communal homes where hundreds of people live in an apartment meant for 10?

No you build things like co-op city or Lefrak city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeFrak_City

[San Lumen]

I have a hard time being upset about efforts that have the net effect of eradicating urban populations in favor of more pleasant suburbs. With a little luck, the US can eventually get to the point where I never need to set foot in a city again. Vile things, cities.

yeah lets just keep building urban sprawl and cut down more trees because screw every other species. lets just have planet like Coruscant.

[Kernen]

I have a hard time being upset about efforts that have the net effect of eradicating urban populations in favor of more pleasant suburbs. With a little luck, the US can eventually get to the point where I never need to set foot in a city again. Vile things, cities.

yeah lets just keep building urban sprawl and cut down more trees because screw every other species. lets just have planet like Coruscant.

I don't know what a coruscant is.

Small price to pay to avoid cities. I don't want to be that close to that many people. That's why my 4 acres are surrounded by privacy hedges 10 feet tall, and why I make a point of not meeting my neighbors.

[Free Arabian Nation]

So you don't want more houses built in the cities and you don't want cities to expand at the same time?

Do you just want massive communal homes where hundreds of people live in an apartment meant for 10?

No you build things like co-op city or Lefrak city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeFrak_City

Or, better yet.

We could just do this

[Ifreann]

I have a hard time being upset about efforts that have the net effect of eradicating urban populations in favor of more pleasant suburbs. With a little luck, the US can eventually get to the point where I never need to set foot in a city again. Vile things, cities.

yeah lets just keep building urban sprawl and cut down more trees because screw every other species. lets just have planet like Coruscant.

You don't want to build up because you hate towers, you don't want to build out because it'll destroy the environment. Where the fuck do you want people to live?

[Ifreann]

yeah lets just keep building urban sprawl and cut down more trees because screw every other species. lets just have planet like Coruscant.

I don't know what a coruscant is.

Small price to pay to avoid cities. I don't want to be that close to that many people. That's why my 4 acres are surrounded by privacy hedges 10 feet tall, and why I make a point of not meeting my neighbors.

Coruscant is a planet/city in Star Wars. A city that covers the whole planet. An ecumenopolis.

[Kernen]

yeah lets just keep building urban sprawl and cut down more trees because screw every other species. lets just have planet like Coruscant.

You don't want to build up because you hate towers, you don't want to build out because it'll destroy the environment. Where the fuck do you want people to live?

Down. With the crab people.

[Bear Stearns]

It's not like the poor could afford it anyway.

The land these uber-expensive towers are built on is in areas where land is too expensive anyway. A person buying a 100$ Ice Cream is not forcing the poor to not buy Ice Cream.

Also, this is ignoring the fact that it's still building rooms for people to live in. I think what's causing the problem you're having in New York is not because of some "Ugly Towers kicking people out somehow", but rather the fact that big cities with overpopulation are a massive problem. When you have 8.6 Million people stuck inside an area smaller than Malta, you're gonna have problems with there not being enough room, resources, and money to house all of them sufficiently.

There probably is enough room to house them. There are more empty housing units in NYC than there are homeless people. But. Most of those empty units are only empty temporarily, someone is planning to move in but hasn't done so yet or there's renovations under way, and there are certainly more homeless people in NYC than can be counted in homeless shelters. But but. There's something like four times more empty units than people staying in homeless shelters. I'd say that there's a good chance that there's enough housing for all the homeless. What's lacking is the political will to actually do this.

And the space...and the money.

Unless the city government of New York already owns a bunch of residential property to solve homelessness, they'd have to buy it, which would be expensive. Then comes shelter, food, and amenities. How much does Rikers cost?

[Free Arabian Nation]

yeah lets just keep building urban sprawl and cut down more trees because screw every other species. lets just have planet like Coruscant.

You don't want to build up because you hate towers, you don't want to build out because it'll destroy the environment. Where the fuck do you want people to live?

Nowhere, he wants to exterminate humanity until there's nobody left except for the animals.

[Kernen]

I don't know what a coruscant is.

Small price to pay to avoid cities. I don't want to be that close to that many people. That's why my 4 acres are surrounded by privacy hedges 10 feet tall, and why I make a point of not meeting my neighbors.

Coruscant is a planet/city in Star Wars. A city that covers the whole planet. An ecumenopolis.

Oh. I don't do star wars without Harrison Ford before he went grey, so...

[The Emerald Legion]

Yes it is.

how?

They successfully gathered the money to pay for it. Therefore, it's utterly fair that they get to use the money they earned doing something that's not illegal.

You're basically trying to argue that their money isn't their money. It should only be used for the good of society.

It shouldn't. It's their money. Not yours.

[Des-Bal]

No you build things like co-op city or Lefrak city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeFrak_City

If those were taller we could fit more people in them.

[Free Arabian Nation]

This is the only thread where a person has been called both a closet Libertarian and a closet Tankie at the same time