by Iwassoclose » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:40 am
by Prusenreich » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:43 am
by Mystic Warriors » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:43 am
by Bears Armed Mission » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:46 am
Iwassoclose wrote:Bail is a system of class warfare. Poor people who cant pay, stay in prison or have to go to bail bondsman and pay 10% or higher of the principle. This often creates situations where people cannot afford to pay back and go into deeper debt and poverty. A hundred thousand bail for a millionaire is nothing, its chump change. A ten thousand bail for someone who has no income is the difference between staying in prison for the next couple months or going free. It costs the system more money from housing the prisoners then letting them go out.
Here is the situation, people are gonna get out with bail. Therefore if granted bail, it is already decided that they are not at risk and will show up to court for the follow up hearings. For surety I suggest taking away some documents to prevent them from being flight risks. Otherwise bail or not, people who decide to not show up in court it wouldnt matter.
What say you GD?
by Iwassoclose » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:49 am
Prusenreich wrote:Bail should be 75% of your income for the amount of time you are in jail
Marrero wrote:Bail lets people who abuse children get out of prison. Screw bail.
by Great Britain MMXIX » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:53 am
by Purpelia » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:08 am
Iwassoclose wrote:Without bail you would have to probably double or triple the amount of beds in prisons.
by Ifreann » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:18 am
Marrero wrote:Bail lets people who abuse children get out of prison. Screw bail.
by Seangoli » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:23 am
Marrero wrote:Bail lets people who abuse children get out of prison. Screw bail.
by Ifreann » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:27 am
Great Britain MMXIX wrote:Bail keeps the most dangerous offenders from running away. Plus sometimes it provides time for evidence gathering
by Prusenreich » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:38 am
Iwassoclose wrote:Prusenreich wrote:Bail should be 75% of your income for the amount of time you are in jail
Do you mean the people have to pay 75%? Or they get 75% of previous income filed?
For the first, its not likely going to happen seeing as in this climate the jails are getting away with paying prisoners literally pennies for every hour they work.
As to the second, it is an interesting idea. Would definitely change how things are run.Marrero wrote:Bail lets people who abuse children get out of prison. Screw bail.
Without bail you would have to probably double or triple the amount of beds in prisons.
by Vassenor » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:39 am
Marrero wrote:Bail lets people who abuse children get out of prison. Screw bail.
by Des-Bal » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:41 am
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by Ifreann » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:42 am
Prusenreich wrote:Iwassoclose wrote:
Do you mean the people have to pay 75%? Or they get 75% of previous income filed?
For the first, its not likely going to happen seeing as in this climate the jails are getting away with paying prisoners literally pennies for every hour they work.
As to the second, it is an interesting idea. Would definitely change how things are run.
Without bail you would have to probably double or triple the amount of beds in prisons.
Pay
That would mean prisons still get bail money but both the rich and the poor would feel negative effects of their actions
by Vassenor » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:42 am
Des-Bal wrote:There absolutley are negatives to the system and I can't say I'm happy with it your proposal doesn't make better sense. You might say that a hundred thousand dollar bail for a millionaire isn't a big deal but they don't, to my knowledge, skip bail often. When a millionaire flees it's usually before bail is ever set. Further, I don't know that seizing documents is going to be sufficient to make sure someone who plans to flee their court date from doing so.
by Prusenreich » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:46 am
by Marrero » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:47 am
Seangoli wrote:Marrero wrote:Bail lets people who abuse children get out of prison. Screw bail.
Bail does not allow people to escape punishment in any sense of the word. It only allows them to not be incarcerated until trial, which allows people to continue working or whatnot amd not go into complete financial ruin.
This has benefits, particularly considering that jot everyone charged with a crime is guilty of said crime.
by Vassenor » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:47 am
by Ifreann » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:48 am
by Ifreann » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:50 am
Marrero wrote:Seangoli wrote:
Bail does not allow people to escape punishment in any sense of the word. It only allows them to not be incarcerated until trial, which allows people to continue working or whatnot amd not go into complete financial ruin.
This has benefits, particularly considering that jot everyone charged with a crime is guilty of said crime.
Then whats that thing that happens where people get released from prison for paying money
by Marrero » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:50 am
Marrero wrote:Seangoli wrote:
Bail does not allow people to escape punishment in any sense of the word. It only allows them to not be incarcerated until trial, which allows people to continue working or whatnot amd not go into complete financial ruin.
This has benefits, particularly considering that jot everyone charged with a crime is guilty of said crime.
Then whats that thing that happens where people get released from prison for paying money
by Ifreann » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:54 am
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