Should we shut the f*** up?

[Purpelia]

For all the people that say that FTL is impossible: No, it is... theoretically. We simply currently lack the technology for the Alcubuirre (or however it is spelled) Warp Drive to work, and we haven't figured out negative energy yet, but who knows? We have been in a technology bopm for the last 300 years and we have no idea what is possible.

Furthermore, if aliens do intend to strike Earth, it would most likely be for cultural reasons. A species that aims to purge the galaxy of all other sentient life would be the only ones with motive to wipe out humanity.

It is more likely that an advanced species moved past violence, and aim to unite the galaxy under their benevolent rule. In that case, yay.

So which of causality and general relativity are you claiming does not hold?

My guess would be causality. Physics has already thrown everything that sounds sensible and reasonable out the window at this point and that's really the only thing still left.

[Dooom35796821595]

For all the people that say that FTL is impossible: No, it is... theoretically. We simply currently lack the technology for the Alcubuirre (or however it is spelled) Warp Drive to work, and we haven't figured out negative energy yet, but who knows? We have been in a technology bopm for the last 300 years and we have no idea what is possible.

Furthermore, if aliens do intend to strike Earth, it would most likely be for cultural reasons. A species that aims to purge the galaxy of all other sentient life would be the only ones with motive to wipe out humanity.

It is more likely that an advanced species moved past violence, and aim to unite the galaxy under their benevolent rule. In that case, yay.

So which of causality and general relativity are you claiming does not hold?

There are more questions we don’t know to ask, then questions we have the answer to.

Basically, saying “it’s impossible” is another way of saying “we don’t know how to do it”.

[Erythrean Thebes]

They can just put some tinfoil around the Earth, so our signals will stay inside

[Salandriagado]

So which of causality and general relativity are you claiming does not hold?

There are more questions we don’t know to ask, then questions we have the answer to.

Basically, saying “it’s impossible” is another way of saying “we don’t know how to do it”.

No. At most two of the following can be true:

1. General relativity is a valid model of the (macroscopic) universe.
2. The universe is causal.
3. It is possible to travel faster than light.

Which one are you claiming is not true?

[Hladgos]

Death by alien extermination is metal so I think we should keep up the global shitpost

[Pope Joan]

We are a backwater solar system near the outskirts of our galaxy.
There is little of value here to make investigation worthwhile for ETs.
We worry about aliens as if humanity and our earth were somehow terrifically important to the universe; we are not.

[New haven america]

For all the people that say that FTL is impossible: No, it is... theoretically. We simply currently lack the technology for the Alcubuirre (or however it is spelled) Warp Drive to work, and we haven't figured out negative energy yet, but who knows? We have been in a technology bopm for the last 300 years and we have no idea what is possible.

Furthermore, if aliens do intend to strike Earth, it would most likely be for cultural reasons. A species that aims to purge the galaxy of all other sentient life would be the only ones with motive to wipe out humanity.

It is more likely that an advanced species moved past violence, and aim to unite the galaxy under their benevolent rule. In that case, yay.

So which of causality and general relativity are you claiming does not hold?

Blackholes were thought to be impossible because they broke basically every Law of Physics in the book, but oh look, they're at the center of almost every single galaxy including our and we've even been able to detect or find the probable locations of some.

Impossible in Physics is basically short-hand for "IDK, shit might happen, might not, beats the fuck outta me."

[United Muscovite Nations]

Uh, I'm pretty sure the universe is over 148 years old.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

We are a backwater solar system near the outskirts of our galaxy.

Or are we?

*VSauce theme*

[Dooom35796821595]

There are more questions we don’t know to ask, then questions we have the answer to.

Basically, saying “it’s impossible” is another way of saying “we don’t know how to do it”.

No. At most two of the following can be true:

1. General relativity is a valid model of the (macroscopic) universe.
2. The universe is causal.
3. It is possible to travel faster than light.

Which one are you claiming is not true?

I’m claiming our current understanding is only part of the picture, and thus we can’t rule out the possibility for FTL travel.

[New haven america]

We are a backwater solar system near the outskirts of our galaxy.
There is little of value here to make investigation worthwhile for ETs.
We worry about aliens as if humanity and our earth were somehow terrifically important to the universe; we are not.

Actually, we're pretty far into our galaxy and in one of the most populated areas (An arm of the galaxy, where more star/solar system material is located)

[Vetalia]

Honestly...do you think a civilization with the ability to travel at sub-FTL speeds between local stars and the civilization stability to make it matter, let alone one with any kind of FTL capability would want to conquer or attack Earth? We would be so insignificant in terms of anything this planet could offer that they would either ignore us or find it an interesting observation and move on without any further contact.

For civilizations with our level of technology or close to it, even if they wanted to contact us, what would it matter? Even if we heard back from them, it's not like they could reach us on anything shorter than a geologic timespan.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Given the universe is some 14B years old and mankind has only been around for some 60, 000 years it's not beyond the realms of possibility that there is alien life. Nor is it beyond the realms of possibility that there's alien life far more advanced than us.

What the hell are we doing trying to announce our existence? That's like a rabbit putting up a flag to announce its presence with no knowledge of other life around it, no idea if there's lions or eagles because it believes its only communicating to other rabbits, given no understanding of anything else.

Should all efforts at space communication be shut down immediately.

Yes. There is nothing to be gained from aliens receiving our signals tens of thousands of years from now. Our current generation would be long dead, and so too will all of humanity. Yes, some aliens might be closer, but there is no guarantee.

[Genivaria]

You're assuming that they aren't already here.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

You're assuming that they aren't already here.

I wouldn't put it past the government to cover such a thing up.

[Seangoli]

Why would any alien race bother? Seriously, there is no need to bother at all with even coming to our planet let alone conquering it. Any resource we have on earth is far more prevalent in the cosmos in far larger quantities than we can ever even begin to fathom extracting from earth. So conquest for resources is right out.

Our planet is likely inhospitable to most alien lifeforms that have developed under completely different environemnts, so a land grab is unlikely.

Using us as a slave force is also stupid beyond belief, as we are already capable of putting people out ofnwork with automation. I can only imagine a race advanced enough to travel the galaxy is more than capable of automation beyond anything we could provide.

We have virtually nothing to offer as a race, let alone a planet, that they can't get elsewhere at quantities beyond anything we have.

And this is only getting into the *bad* things. The notion that they would even bother with us on good terms is also equally hilarious for the above stated reasons. We would, at best, be an ant colony to them. Everything we provide would be abundant elsewhere, and our intelligence and technology is, quite frankly, quaint to even their most rudimentary technology. It wouldn't be like meeting a stone age tribe to them, it would be like meeting cockroaches.

So yeah, I am not concerned.

[Seangoli]

Given the universe is some 14B years old and mankind has only been around for some 60, 000 years it's not beyond the realms of possibility that there is alien life. Nor is it beyond the realms of possibility that there's alien life far more advanced than us.

What the hell are we doing trying to announce our existence? That's like a rabbit putting up a flag to announce its presence with no knowledge of other life around it, no idea if there's lions or eagles because it believes its only communicating to other rabbits, given no understanding of anything else.

Should all efforts at space communication be shut down immediately.

Yes. There is nothing to be gained from aliens receiving our signals tens of thousands of years from now. Our current generation would be long dead, and so too will all of humanity. Yes, some aliens might be closer, but there is no guarantee.

It's worse than that. Our signals are almost indistinguishable from background noise before it even reaches Proxima Centauri.

We are almoat indetectable to our closest star neighbor.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

At best, we find peace-loving aliens willing to share knowledge with us.

At worst, we find Necrons. Maybe they're already here. Maybe I'm one of them. Who can tell, really?

[Salandriagado]

So which of causality and general relativity are you claiming does not hold?

Blackholes were thought to be impossible because they broke basically every Law of Physics in the book, but oh look, they're at the center of almost every single galaxy including our and we've even been able to detect or find the probable locations of some.

Impossible in Physics is basically short-hand for "IDK, shit might happen, might not, beats the fuck outta me."

Answer the fucking question.

And no, they weren't.

[Salandriagado]

No. At most two of the following can be true:

1. General relativity is a valid model of the (macroscopic) universe.
2. The universe is causal.
3. It is possible to travel faster than light.

Which one are you claiming is not true?

I’m claiming our current understanding is only part of the picture, and thus we can’t rule out the possibility for FTL travel.

Answer the fucking question. Which one are you claiming isn't true?

[Glath]

One possible interest they might have in us is to study us, much like we'd study an interesting new animal we'd found. That's not necessarily bad. They'd probably do it from a distance, since we're clearly not tame.

[Pope Joan]

We are a backwater solar system near the outskirts of our galaxy.
There is little of value here to make investigation worthwhile for ETs.
We worry about aliens as if humanity and our earth were somehow terrifically important to the universe; we are not.

Actually, we're pretty far into our galaxy and in one of the most populated areas (An arm of the galaxy, where more star/solar system material is located)

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In Asimov's conception we would be well away from the center of power in Trantor

[Ethel mermania]

Why would any alien race bother? Seriously, there is no need to bother at all with even coming to our planet let alone conquering it. Any resource we have on earth is far more prevalent in the cosmos in far larger quantities than we can ever even begin to fathom extracting from earth. So conquest for resources is right out.

Our planet is likely inhospitable to most alien lifeforms that have developed under completely different environemnts, so a land grab is unlikely.

Using us as a slave force is also stupid beyond belief, as we are already capable of putting people out ofnwork with automation. I can only imagine a race advanced enough to travel the galaxy is more than capable of automation beyond anything we could provide.

We have virtually nothing to offer as a race, let alone a planet, that they can't get elsewhere at quantities beyond anything we have.

And this is only getting into the *bad* things. The notion that they would even bother with us on good terms is also equally hilarious for the above stated reasons. We would, at best, be an ant colony to them. Everything we provide would be abundant elsewhere, and our intelligence and technology is, quite frankly, quaint to even their most rudimentary technology. It wouldn't be like meeting a stone age tribe to them, it would be like meeting cockroaches.

So yeah, I am not concerned.

Why did Hillary climb mt. Everest.

Because it was there.

[Pope Joan]

Why would any alien race bother? Seriously, there is no need to bother at all with even coming to our planet let alone conquering it. Any resource we have on earth is far more prevalent in the cosmos in far larger quantities than we can ever even begin to fathom extracting from earth. So conquest for resources is right out.

Our planet is likely inhospitable to most alien lifeforms that have developed under completely different environemnts, so a land grab is unlikely.

Using us as a slave force is also stupid beyond belief, as we are already capable of putting people out ofnwork with automation. I can only imagine a race advanced enough to travel the galaxy is more than capable of automation beyond anything we could provide.

We have virtually nothing to offer as a race, let alone a planet, that they can't get elsewhere at quantities beyond anything we have.

And this is only getting into the *bad* things. The notion that they would even bother with us on good terms is also equally hilarious for the above stated reasons. We would, at best, be an ant colony to them. Everything we provide would be abundant elsewhere, and our intelligence and technology is, quite frankly, quaint to even their most rudimentary technology. It wouldn't be like meeting a stone age tribe to them, it would be like meeting cockroaches.

So yeah, I am not concerned.

Why did Hillary climb mt. Everest.

Because it was there.

Imagine an intelligent powerful species with a myriad of options, Why choose one, just because it is "there"? No compelling reason, We flatter ourselves that we would be worthy of attention

[Ethel mermania]

Why did Hillary climb mt. Everest.

Because it was there.

Imagine an intelligent powerful species with a myriad of options, Why choose one, just because it is "there"? No compelling reason, We flatter ourselves that we would be worthy of attention

I dont think we are worthy of it at all. My point is decisions are not usually made by reasons understandable as logic alone.