Should we shut the f*** up?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

They're not saying that's what's most probable, they're saying those are reasons they did is if they did at all.

Are you going to trek on foot all the way to the north pole and fight a polar bear so that you can get some ice cubes, or are you just going to fill up a tray with water and make your own? Sure, there's a reason to go to the north pole and fight that bear, but that doesn't mean it's ever going to happen.

Inb4 I fight a polar bear to the death for the blessing of the ice gods to get some ice.

[Diopolis]

They're not saying that's what's most probable, they're saying those are reasons they did is if they did at all.

Are you going to trek on foot all the way to the north pole and fight a polar bear so that you can get some ice cubes, or are you just going to fill up a tray with water and make your own? Sure, there's a reason to go to the north pole and fight that bear, but that doesn't mean it's ever going to happen.

The only resource we have on earth and not in space is habitable real estate. It's far more likely these hypothetical aliens will exterminate us just in case.

[Scomagia]

Easier and cheaper by what measure? If an alien species wants the resources of our solar system it would make sense to just preemptively destroy the dominant lifeform to head off any potential resistance. Wiping us out would scarcely be expensive for a species that can move over such vast distances.

It's cheaper in resources, especially fuel.

How? It would be a trivial matter to accelerate a projectile to a sufficient speed to obliterate us. It would be no effort to do so considering the aliens were able to get here to begin with.

[Andsed]

Are you going to trek on foot all the way to the north pole and fight a polar bear so that you can get some ice cubes, or are you just going to fill up a tray with water and make your own? Sure, there's a reason to go to the north pole and fight that bear, but that doesn't mean it's ever going to happen.

The only resource we have on earth and not in space is habitable real estate. It's far more likely these hypothetical aliens will exterminate us just in case.

Or they could do the intelligent thing and using their advanced technology to set up a colony on another larger planet here instead of dealing with a species with nuclear weapons.

[Andsed]

It's cheaper in resources, especially fuel.

How? It would be a trivial matter to accelerate a projectile to a sufficient speed to obliterate us. It would be no effort to do so considering the aliens were able to get here to begin with.

It would still be a waste of resources to do that. Earth has nothing really unique about it and humanity would not be a threat to them so killing us all would gain them nothing and would simply waste fuel and ammunition.

[Diopolis]

The only resource we have on earth and not in space is habitable real estate. It's far more likely these hypothetical aliens will exterminate us just in case.

Or they could do the intelligent thing and using their advanced technology to set up a colony on another larger planet here instead of dealing with a species with nuclear weapons.

Y'know, the ones that are uninhabitable.

[Andsed]

Or they could do the intelligent thing and using their advanced technology to set up a colony on another larger planet here instead of dealing with a species with nuclear weapons.

Y'know, the ones that are uninhabitable.

Do you really think that these aliens who have such advanced technology can't do some terraforming? Besides even if they decided to settle on earth the smart thing to do would to make contact with us establishing trade and gaining allies.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Or they could do the intelligent thing and using their advanced technology to set up a colony on another larger planet here instead of dealing with a species with nuclear weapons.

Y'know, the ones that are uninhabitable.

If they can build a ship to cross light years they can build a colony on an airless world.

[Diopolis]

Y'know, the ones that are uninhabitable.

Do you really think that these aliens who have such advanced technology can't do some terraforming? Besides even if they decided to settle on earth the smart thing to do would to make contact with us establishing trade and gaining allies.

Depends on what they want to do. If they just want to replace us, destroying the bulk of life on earth is... not a trivial task, but doable, at least for the surface.

[Rio Cana]

You can't hide from space. It just does not work.

Put very simple, the sort of genocidal civilization that would tend to seek out and kill its neighbors at the first sound of them is the sort that would just glass planets preemptively. And why not when you can do that relatively cheaply and easily. Hell, given a bit of a push we today could set off on a project that in a couple thousand years would net us the ability to literally crack every planet in our galaxy using relativistic projectiles powered by pushing lasers feeding off giant solar panels and all without using as much as 1% of the resources in our solar system. And we wouldn't be waiting for a sound either because once you have the industrial and technological base to fire one such off you can fire billions easily enough. So we would just hit every planet we know about all at the same time.

Bottom line is, if someone is out there and watching we are already dead. And they don't even know they've killed us.

Yes, its possible to hide in space. You just need to phase our planet into an alternate parallel dimension within our universe.

https://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s9/arthurs-mantle/

[Ethel mermania]

Y'know, the ones that are uninhabitable.

Do you really think that these aliens who have such advanced technology can't do some terraforming? Besides even if they decided to settle on earth the smart thing to do would to make contact with us establishing trade and gaining allies.

The smart thing for them to do would be to serve you in a creme sauce paired with a nice dry white wine in their, oh look another planet celebratory dinner dance.

[Salandriagado]

It doesn't matter, because it's far too late. Anybody that's looking for us (and capable of being a threat) can find us, and that isn't going to change.

Well.. first the universe is quite large for anyone to find anything they're not looking for especially if they're dealing with things they've already found. It's not that we're discoverable, its that no one's thinking to discover us or pinpoint down to the infinitely minuscule likelihood of discovering a silent life.

More to the point, anybody capable of finding us and getting here, and willing to go all xenocide-y on the galaxy, is also capable of the much-easier task of simply firing a relativistic-speed missile at every potentially habitable planet in the galaxy.

Well hence let's not invest in what is essentially advertising of our existence.

The point is that it doesn't matter if they know that we're here or not. The effort involved in filtering planets to identify which ones have civilisations around and which don't, and maintain that monitoring literally forever, is ridiculous when you could just hit all of the planets and not have to worry about it.

[Salandriagado]

Are you going to trek on foot all the way to the north pole and fight a polar bear so that you can get some ice cubes, or are you just going to fill up a tray with water and make your own? Sure, there's a reason to go to the north pole and fight that bear, but that doesn't mean it's ever going to happen.

The only resource we have on earth and not in space is habitable real estate. It's far more likely these hypothetical aliens will exterminate us just in case.

If you can travel between star systems, then you can build habitable real estate in space.

[Novus America]

Or ants, or cats, or chimpanzees.

It is not just humans that engage in such behavior you know.

Why assume aliens would be nicer than us? We have no reason to do so.
Statistically it is likely some are nicer, and some are less nice.

Maybe they are like ants and vicious dialed up to 11.

The only reason we are safe is because space time is so huge that two space faring species appearing near enough in space time to actually interact rarely if ever happens.

We might not be alone in the universe but we are probably alone in our corner of it.

I'm not making any assumptions, here.

Like how it would be an assumption to ascribe human (or, indeed, terrestrial) characteristics to a xeno.

Because there are only a finite number of possible atoms, molecules and the like.
And as far as we know life would develop on their planet like it did on ours, their planet having a similar habitatle zone and chemical make up.

From all the planets we have found the chemical make up of different planets is not so radically different and no planet too dissimilar to ours shows any possibility of life.

So we have absolutely no reason to believe alien life, if it exists would be that radically different from life on our own planet.

It is entirely possible life always forms in a manner similar to the way on earth, as that is the only way we have ever seen life exist.

[Salandriagado]

Easier and cheaper by what measure? If an alien species wants the resources of our solar system it would make sense to just preemptively destroy the dominant lifeform to head off any potential resistance. Wiping us out would scarcely be expensive for a species that can move over such vast distances.

It's cheaper in resources, especially fuel.

What fuel? Just use a stellar laser to accelerate them up: you basically just need three mirrors.

[The New California Republic]

It's cheaper in resources, especially fuel.

What fuel? Just use a stellar laser to accelerate them up: you basically just need three mirrors.

I know it isn't the same concept, but solar sails are fucking cool. It makes me think of some kind of steampunk-esque sailing ship of the stars.

[Salandriagado]

What fuel? Just use a stellar laser to accelerate them up: you basically just need three mirrors.

I know it isn't the same concept, but solar sails are fucking cool. It makes me think of some kind of steampunk-esque sailing ship of the stars.

It kinda is: a stellar laser is just a way to concentrate a whole lot more sunlight than normal on your solar sail.

[Bun Queen]

I think its too late to "shut up" we already have a few satellites that have moved beyond our Solar System won't be long until these aliens find them and make their way towards Earth. Granted these satellites will be traveling for trillions of years until they run into a alien empire.

And if these aliens do find Earth we might be extinct by then.

[Purpelia]

Bottom line even if that were physically possible to hide (and it ain't) the best defense from destruction would still be to spread out and expand so as to ensure you can't be destroyed easily and have enough resources to destroy others before they can destroy you. It's trivially easy for something as small as a K2 to completely glass every planet in the galaxy if they wanted to. But conversely a reasonable K2 would be hardly effected by this as all their people are up in space.

[Coruscanti Nations]

For all the people that say that FTL is impossible: No, it is... theoretically. We simply currently lack the technology for the Alcubuirre (or however it is spelled) Warp Drive to work, and we haven't figured out negative energy yet, but who knows? We have been in a technology bopm for the last 300 years and we have no idea what is possible.

Furthermore, if aliens do intend to strike Earth, it would most likely be for cultural reasons. A species that aims to purge the galaxy of all other sentient life would be the only ones with motive to wipe out humanity.

It is more likely that an advanced species moved past violence, and aim to unite the galaxy under their benevolent rule. In that case, yay.

[Mystic Warriors]

We need to get louder. We also need a second home

[Ethel mermania]

For all the people that say that FTL is impossible: No, it is... theoretically. We simply currently lack the technology for the Alcubuirre (or however it is spelled) Warp Drive to work, and we haven't figured out negative energy yet, but who knows? We have been in a technology bopm for the last 300 years and we have no idea what is possible.

Furthermore, if aliens do intend to strike Earth, it would most likely be for cultural reasons. A species that aims to purge the galaxy of all other sentient life would be the only ones with motive to wipe out humanity.

It is more likely that an advanced species moved past violence, and aim to unite the galaxy under their benevolent rule. In that case, yay.

If they had evolved along a similar path as humans did, they do things. Because they can, much like we climb high mountains and eat exotic things.

Life on this plant for the most part can be summed up in eat or be eaten. I don't see why an alien species would be different. They may be different I will stipulate, but I wouldnt base my plans on it.

[Ethel mermania]

I think its too late to "shut up" we already have a few satellites that have moved beyond our Solar System won't be long until these aliens find them and make their way towards Earth. Granted these satellites will be traveling for trillions of years until they run into a alien empire.

And if these aliens do find Earth we might be extinct by then.

That's a hopeful thought.

[Bun Queen]

I think its too late to "shut up" we already have a few satellites that have moved beyond our Solar System won't be long until these aliens find them and make their way towards Earth. Granted these satellites will be traveling for trillions of years until they run into a alien empire.

And if these aliens do find Earth we might be extinct by then.

That's a hopeful thought.

Can't get invaded by aliens if your entire race is dead.

Taps forehead

[Salandriagado]

For all the people that say that FTL is impossible: No, it is... theoretically. We simply currently lack the technology for the Alcubuirre (or however it is spelled) Warp Drive to work, and we haven't figured out negative energy yet, but who knows? We have been in a technology bopm for the last 300 years and we have no idea what is possible.

Furthermore, if aliens do intend to strike Earth, it would most likely be for cultural reasons. A species that aims to purge the galaxy of all other sentient life would be the only ones with motive to wipe out humanity.

It is more likely that an advanced species moved past violence, and aim to unite the galaxy under their benevolent rule. In that case, yay.

So which of causality and general relativity are you claiming does not hold?