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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:51 pm

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Why, then, pray tell, does the term "father figure" remain so well known and consistent in society?

Because there is a problem of people getting married for the wrong reason. Be it an unplanned pregnancy, peer pressure etc. But the statistics show that children who grew up without a father are more likely to have mental and emotional problems later in life.

Studies have found that children who grow up in single-parent households often have problems later in life yes, but those studies have not indicated that children growing up in households with same-sex parents fair any worse than children raised by a mother and father. The issue is the extra stress placed upon single parents to fulfill their caregiving roles to their children, not the gender of the parents. Children raised by same-sex parents, for all purposes, appear to be as developmentally healthy as those raised by a mother and father.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.e ... n-parents/
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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:54 pm

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Christian Confederation wrote:Because there is a problem of people getting married for the wrong reason. Be it an unplanned pregnancy, peer pressure etc. But the statistics show that children who grew up without a father are more likely to have mental and emotional problems later in life.


I'm certain you'll have no problem posting your sources/statistics?

Here is a source.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?clie ... gdcK-MkFkJ
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Postby Kannap » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:55 pm

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I'm certain you'll have no problem posting your sources/statistics?

Here is a source.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?clie ... gdcK-MkFkJ


You've linked me to a google search, feel free to link me to an actual source.
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Postby Karu Nadu » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:58 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:Why?
Explain now, don't ignore.

Because you learn many things from your mother and father.
In my case my mom and grandfather/ Uncles because my dad left us for his girlfriend.

This forum has been interesting, now if anyone wants my telagram box is open for productive conversation like a few of y'all have already figured out.

Just because you have two mothers or two fathers doesn't mean that there aren't senior figures in you life to take their roles.

There are also many instances of a parent raising their child well with nobody else.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:04 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
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I'm certain you'll have no problem posting your sources/statistics?

Here is a source.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?clie ... gdcK-MkFkJ


Ignoring the other predictors in the dataset, such as parental abuse, or the fact that 71% of the surveyed children had a family history of psychiatric issues to one degree or another. And that the main issue observed was ADHD.

From the discussion section:

In our study, we were not able to find any statistically significant association between family structure and number of hospitalization. We were, however, able to demonstrate strong associations between certain traumas and diagnosis in predicting higher rates of rehospitalization. We were also able to highlight in our study the adverse effect of certain family types and their predisposition for higher rates of exposure to trauma or carrying higher rates of a particular diagnosis.


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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:05 pm

Kannap wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Here is a source.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?clie ... gdcK-MkFkJ


You've linked me to a google search, feel free to link me to an actual source.

Sorry Link was weird.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:06 pm

Karu Nadu wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Because you learn many things from your mother and father.
In my case my mom and grandfather/ Uncles because my dad left us for his girlfriend.

This forum has been interesting, now if anyone wants my telagram box is open for productive conversation like a few of y'all have already figured out.

Just because you have two mothers or two fathers doesn't mean that there aren't senior figures in you life to take their roles.

There are also many instances of a parent raising their child well with nobody else.


Did any of you hear about "It takes a village to raise a child"?

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:08 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:Just because you have two mothers or two fathers doesn't mean that there aren't senior figures in you life to take their roles.

There are also many instances of a parent raising their child well with nobody else.


Did any of you hear about "It takes a village to raise a child"?


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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:09 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Kannap wrote:
You've linked me to a google search, feel free to link me to an actual source.

Sorry Link was weird.

http://www.academia.edu/31499506/The_Ne ... o_Children


So a source with no data, no methodology and no actual conclusions. And in fact appears to be someone's half-finished coursework.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:12 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:Just because you have two mothers or two fathers doesn't mean that there aren't senior figures in you life to take their roles.

There are also many instances of a parent raising their child well with nobody else.


Did any of you hear about "It takes a village to raise a child"?

Which is bullshit, however NJ is not a child or a single parent family, so none of this is on topic.

The topic is NJ has passed a law that says positive contributions of Da gay, and disabled must be taught in middle and high lschools. Is this a good or bad thing?
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:12 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Kannap wrote:
You've linked me to a google search, feel free to link me to an actual source.

Sorry Link was weird.

http://www.academia.edu/31499506/The_Ne ... o_Children

This study is on broken families, divorces, and parental abandonment and the difficulties they can evoke. It doesn't discuss same-sex couples nor does it appear to discuss single-parent households that did not experience such familial breakups. I don't see what this has to do with the topic.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:13 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Did any of you hear about "It takes a village to raise a child"?

Which is bullshit, however NJ is not a child or a single parent family, so none of this is on topic.

The topic is NJ has passed a law that says positive contributions of Da gay, and disabled must be taught in middle and high lschools. Is this a good or bad thing?


Not Good, per se, but potentially beneficial if implemented properly, otherwise it may inadvertently do more harm than benefit.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:14 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:Sorry Link was weird.

http://www.academia.edu/31499506/The_Ne ... o_Children

This study is on broken families, divorces, and parental abandonment and the difficulties they can evoke. It doesn't discuss same-sex couples nor does it appear to discuss single-parent households that did not experience such familial breakups. I don't see what this has to do with the topic.

Just replying to the thread
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:15 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Which is bullshit, however NJ is not a child or a single parent family, so none of this is on topic.

The topic is NJ has passed a law that says positive contributions of Da gay, and disabled must be taught in middle and high lschools. Is this a good or bad thing?


Not Good, per se, but potentially beneficial if implemented properly, otherwise it may inadvertently do more harm than benefit.

And how does acknowledging the historic contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons do harm exactly?
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:19 pm

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Not Good, per se, but potentially beneficial if implemented properly, otherwise it may inadvertently do more harm than benefit.

And how does acknowledging the historic contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons do harm exactly?


Remember that, depending on the decisions of local school boards, that the details of a curriculum are oft determined by non-scholars or teachers who may lack proper knowledge of how to handle a topic. Basically, I fear that despite the well-intentions of the program, individual schools/districts or teachers may not cover the topic adequately. Do I make any sense? I apologize if I was rude or if I don’t make sense.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:20 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:This study is on broken families, divorces, and parental abandonment and the difficulties they can evoke. It doesn't discuss same-sex couples nor does it appear to discuss single-parent households that did not experience such familial breakups. I don't see what this has to do with the topic.

Just replying to the thread


With a source that, as was pointed out, doesn't actually have anything to do with the argument that you made.
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:20 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:This study is on broken families, divorces, and parental abandonment and the difficulties they can evoke. It doesn't discuss same-sex couples nor does it appear to discuss single-parent households that did not experience such familial breakups. I don't see what this has to do with the topic.

Just replying to the thread

This thread is on the decision of New Jersey to implement recognition of the historical contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons within their history curriculum. You have argued that children raised by same-sex couples would suffer from developmental issues. You have linked to articles discussing divorce and family breakup, which has nothing to do with your earlier claim.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:24 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Which is bullshit, however NJ is not a child or a single parent family, so none of this is on topic.

The topic is NJ has passed a law that says positive contributions of Da gay, and disabled must be taught in middle and high lschools. Is this a good or bad thing?


Not Good, per se, but potentially beneficial if implemented properly, otherwise it may inadvertently do more harm than benefit.

End of the day I like it. I dont want the schools teaching "Yay gay" as forcing opinions isnt the schools job, but showing how people from a variety of backgrounds and orientations have made a positive contribution to our society, and opening the kids mind up to it, is a good thing
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:25 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:And how does acknowledging the historic contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons do harm exactly?


Remember that, depending on the decisions of local school boards, that the details of a curriculum are oft determined by non-scholars or teachers who may lack proper knowledge of how to handle a topic. Basically, I fear that despite the well-intentions of the program, individual schools/districts or teachers may not cover the topic adequately. Do I make any sense? I apologize if I was rude or if I don’t make sense.

That does make some sense. I can certainly imagine that some officials may use this as an opportunity to express their personal prejudices against members of the queer and trans communities, and that is definitely cause for concern. I do feel it is still important that an effort is being made to introduce any discussion of LGBTQIA and disabled history into schools.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:25 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Not Good, per se, but potentially beneficial if implemented properly, otherwise it may inadvertently do more harm than benefit.

End of the day I like it. I dont want the schools teaching "Yay gay" as forcing opinions isnt the schools job, but showing how people from a variety of backgrounds and orientations have made a positive contribution to our society, and opening the kids mind up to it, is a good thing


I guess what I’m trying to say is that local school districts better not mess this up.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:28 pm

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You've linked me to a google search, feel free to link me to an actual source.

Sorry Link was weird.

http://www.academia.edu/31499506/The_Ne ... o_Children


There is no information here, no statistics. What am I supposed to be looking at?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:29 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:End of the day I like it. I dont want the schools teaching "Yay gay" as forcing opinions isnt the schools job, but showing how people from a variety of backgrounds and orientations have made a positive contribution to our society, and opening the kids mind up to it, is a good thing


I guess what I’m trying to say is that local school districts better not mess this up.

As I mentioned earlier, for the most part the Jersey public schools are pretty good. More districts will get this right than get it wrong.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
I guess what I’m trying to say is that local school districts better not mess this up.

As I mentioned earlier, for the most part the Jersey public schools are pretty good. More districts will get this right than get it wrong.


That’s somewhat of a relief.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:31 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Kannap wrote:
You've linked me to a google search, feel free to link me to an actual source.

Sorry Link was weird.

http://www.academia.edu/31499506/The_Ne ... o_Children

The introduction alone makes a hell of a lot of assumptions, and I can see a few punctuation and grammar errors. I sincerely doubt that this is peer-reviewed, and thus all my alarm bells alerting me to an untrustworthy source are ringing in my ears right now.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:34 pm

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Christian Confederation wrote:Sorry Link was weird.

http://www.academia.edu/31499506/The_Ne ... o_Children

The introduction alone makes a hell of a lot of assumptions, and I can see a few punctuation and grammar errors. I sincerely doubt that this is peer-reviewed, and thus all my alarm bells alerting me to an untrustworthy source are ringing in my ears right now.


It's looks like a student who uploaded the first draft of their paper for a class. A google search of the author produces no real results.
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