New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Grenartia]

Sure you don't.



I might've been born at night, but I wasn't born last night.



Sorry to burst your bubble, hon, but the only person who seems to be confused about my sexuality is you.



If it'll make you feel better to cry about my identity, you don't need my permission.

No worries, I'll save my tears for something with a little more importance, but believe me when I say it really is sad. I don't know why or how you grew up like this

Back at ya, kid.

but I hope you get these issues sorted out soon and be able to live life at your fullest

That's precisely what I'm trying to do. Thanks for being supportive of me and my identity.

because if you get upset when people refer to you as a certain pronoun there's clearly something wrong somewhere.

Not what that part of my sig means, but whatevs.

[Grenartia]

I mean, that sounds good on paper, but in instances like this, it doesn't sufficiently broaden the student's horizons.

Dude, there are the main course classes, and there are electives.

Math, Science, (Very Broad) History, and English...

Any you want to add LGBT History in this main course curriculum!?!?

I want it at least acknowledged in the main course. I'm not expecting some kind of in-depth semester-long look at say, the daily life of members of the Sacred Band of Thebes, but acknowledging they existed and were VERY gay is definitely something that should happen.

[SD_Film Artists]

Why not just teach history regardless of race/sexuality? For example, Alan Turing deserves to be recognised for his contributions to computers and mathematics. But making him part of a dedicated 'gay history class' seems very tokenistic rather than having him as a historical figure in his own right.

Where does it stop from there? Will historical figures have to compete for class minutes with Minority Points? "Isaac Newton, you're a cis white male so you're on dangerous ground, but you're autistic so we'll give you a pass this time..

As an Autistic myself, I'd rather that their autism gets mentioned as part of the regular history class rather than shoe-horning in people based on arbitrary levels of oppression.

What do you think LGBT history will be about? Not about what gender historical persons belonged to. Rather, the civil rights history of LGBT people, mentioning how it was an accepted practice in Greece and Rome, how the Victorians tried to minimise it, how the civil rights movement for LGBT persons kicked off in the 60's... You are criticising an idea based on a misinformed opinion on the thing.

I am against firearms safety classes. I don't want to learn how to keep guns safe. They are lifeless pieces of metal. What's next, a class where we learn not to hurt guns' feelings? Give me a break.

I assumed it would be about historical figures and major wars/civilizations because that's what history classes are for. LGBT studies sounds more like something which would be taught in university.

For the record I'm not saying LGBT studies are a 'bad' thing per se; if people learn more about LGBT struggles and contributions through the centuries then that's great, but by the same logic you'll have to have black history and autistic history and Celtic history and basically teaching history based on arbitrary POV backgrounds rather than 'how did this country and the wider world happen?'

Do they really have gun safety classes in America? I was already surprised that they have car driving classes rather than going through private instructors.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Dude, there are the main course classes, and there are electives.

Math, Science, (Very Broad) History, and English...

Any you want to add LGBT History in this main course curriculum!?!?

I want it at least acknowledged in the main course. I'm not expecting some kind of in-depth semester-long look at say, the daily life of members of the Sacred Band of Thebes, but acknowledging they existed and were VERY gay is definitely something that should happen.

Eh, fair enough. Although I think people want a more in-depth analysis as a elective. That being said, when it comes down to history, politics and warfare are my intrigues, and I hope that if your ideals on education become reality, it doesn’t overshadow those aspects.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Dude, there are the main course classes, and there are electives.

Math, Science, (Very Broad) History, and English...

Any you want to add LGBT History in this main course curriculum!?!?

I want it at least acknowledged in the main course. I'm not expecting some kind of in-depth semester-long look at say, the daily life of members of the Sacred Band of Thebes, but acknowledging they existed and were VERY gay is definitely something that should happen.

MFW Elagabalus was wayyy gayer than that

[Vojelneit]

No, it's not. I know you people feel attacked for the stupidest reasons because a lot of you are very insecure, but fear not, I was just letting you know that I find it funny.



What does "gay" mean then, loving people of the same sex as you?

Yes, romantically and/or sexually. There may be hope for you yet.

A lot of LGBT people don't just have platonic relationships, the part where they put things in their pooper has to be included as an important part of the defintion.

Shocking though this may be for you to learn, anal sex is not a defining feature of homosexuality.

Once again, what's so important that we need to know about these people?

One should know about the people you share society with, and you specifically are continuing to demonstrate nothing but ignorance.

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I don't know what to tell you if you honestly don't believe sexual activity with those of your own gender is a defining feature of homosexuality. That's literally what the "sexuality" in "homosexuality" refers to... As much as you want to believe homosexuality is only about love, homosexuality is also physical attraction to people of your own gender.

Sexuality only concerns oneself and has no place in any society that respects itself. I don't specifically care about expanding my apparently oh-so-narrow knowledge about homosexuals because I don't need to know who is or isn't one for society to function.

[Grenartia]

I want it at least acknowledged in the main course. I'm not expecting some kind of in-depth semester-long look at say, the daily life of members of the Sacred Band of Thebes, but acknowledging they existed and were VERY gay is definitely something that should happen.

Eh, fair enough. Although I think people want a more in-depth analysis as a elective. That being said, when it comes down to history, politics and warfare are my intrigues, and I hope that if your ideals on education become reality, it doesn’t overshadow those aspects.

I don't see why it inherently would overshadow them (I say that as someone who's favorite historical period is the late Interwar period to the end of the Cold War).

I want it at least acknowledged in the main course. I'm not expecting some kind of in-depth semester-long look at say, the daily life of members of the Sacred Band of Thebes, but acknowledging they existed and were VERY gay is definitely something that should happen.

MFW Elagabalus was wayyy gayer than that

More accurately, trans, but yeah.

[Holy Tedalonia]

What do you think LGBT history will be about? Not about what gender historical persons belonged to. Rather, the civil rights history of LGBT people, mentioning how it was an accepted practice in Greece and Rome, how the Victorians tried to minimise it, how the civil rights movement for LGBT persons kicked off in the 60's... You are criticising an idea based on a misinformed opinion on the thing.

I am against firearms safety classes. I don't want to learn how to keep guns safe. They are lifeless pieces of metal. What's next, a class where we learn not to hurt guns' feelings? Give me a break.

For the record I'm not saying LGBT studies are a 'bad' thing per se; if people learn more about LGBT struggles and contributions through the centuries then that's great, but by the same logic you'll have to have black history and autistic history and Celtic history and basically teaching history based on arbitrary POV backgrounds rather than 'how did this country and the wider world happen?'

Not really no, we don’t have to listen to everyone who bitches and moans. Besides even if that was the case, electives allow the high schoolers to choose which classes they want, its not like its enforced. Also black history is a thing btw.

Do they really have gun safety classes in America? I was already surprised that they have car driving classes rather than going through private instructors.

Not to my knowledge, save for learning it like learning how to drive, yes there’s a class, but not in school/after school

[Holy Tedalonia]

Eh, fair enough. Although I think people want a more in-depth analysis as a elective. That being said, when it comes down to history, politics and warfare are my intrigues, and I hope that if your ideals on education become reality, it doesn’t overshadow those aspects.

I don't see why it inherently would overshadow them (I say that as someone who's favorite historical period is the late Interwar period to the end of the Cold War).

Cram more things into history class and the faster you have to go through it, with less detail too. Also adding in politically charged stuff garentees, there would be a parent or two demanding to cover it more or less, not to mention the teachers personal preferences dictating how long they are going to cover certain details. A lot could go wrong.

[SD_Film Artists]

What's next, a class where we learn not to hurt guns' feelings?

Praise be to the Omnissiah.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I don't see why it inherently would overshadow them (I say that as someone who's favorite historical period is the late Interwar period to the end of the Cold War).

Cram more things into history class and the faster you have to go through it, with less detail too. Also adding in politically charged stuff garentees, there would be a parent or two demanding to cover it more or less, not to mention the teachers personal preferences dictating how long they are going to cover certain details. A lot could go wrong.

I mean the US school system already dose an awful job teaching history, way I see it, we might as well slap in some shit about minorities being important

[Christian Confederation]

For the record I'm not saying LGBT studies are a 'bad' thing per se; if people learn more about LGBT struggles and contributions through the centuries then that's great, but by the same logic you'll have to have black history and autistic history and Celtic history and basically teaching history based on arbitrary POV backgrounds rather than 'how did this country and the wider world happen?'

Not really no, we don’t have to listen to everyone who bitches and moans. Besides even if that was the case, electives allow the high schoolers to choose which classes they want, its not like its enforced. Also black history is a thing btw.

Do they really have gun safety classes in America? I was already surprised that they have car driving classes rather than going through private instructors.

Not to my knowledge, save for learning it like learning how to drive, yes there’s a class, but not in school

Yeah as far as I know most states require a firearms safety course and license to even buy a gun.

Clearly most in this thread don't believe in teaching history, math, science, or life skills and would rather wast time teaching fake genders and America giving in to there insane damands for rights they already had.

If you agree feel free to telagram me and we can continue the conversation.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Cram more things into history class and the faster you have to go through it, with less detail too. Also adding in politically charged stuff garentees, there would be a parent or two demanding to cover it more or less, not to mention the teachers personal preferences dictating how long they are going to cover certain details. A lot could go wrong.

I mean the US school system already dose an awful job teaching history, way I see it, we might as well slap in some shit about minorities being important

Aren’t you a part of said minority?

[SD_Film Artists]

For the record I'm not saying LGBT studies are a 'bad' thing per se; if people learn more about LGBT struggles and contributions through the centuries then that's great, but by the same logic you'll have to have black history and autistic history and Celtic history and basically teaching history based on arbitrary POV backgrounds rather than 'how did this country and the wider world happen?'

Not really no, we don’t have to listen to everyone who bitches and moans. Besides even if that was the case, electives allow the high schoolers to choose which classes they want, its not like its enforced. Also black history is a thing btw.

Civil rights isn't just "bitching and moaning", but I guess you already know that so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
And history should be enforced, as otherwise students won't get a well-rounded history.

[Grenartia]

Clearly most in this thread don't believe in teaching history, math, science, or life skills

Maybe if you'd stop assuming shit about us, you'd learn a thing or two. I've just stated my passion for history, and as I'm literally earning a degree in physics, its pretty safe to say that I'm all for math and science, too. And yes, life skills as well. A good personal finance class is hard to beat.

and would rather wast time teaching fake genders

Real genders. Just because they haven't been historically acknowledged, doesn't mean they are fake.

and America giving in to there insane damands for rights they already had.

*their

Also, we wouldn't be demanding equal rights if we truly already had them.

If you agree feel free to telagram me and we can continue the conversation.

Or, you can stay here and eat this can of worms you just made me open.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean the US school system already dose an awful job teaching history, way I see it, we might as well slap in some shit about minorities being important

Aren’t you a part of said minority?

I am
All I’m saying is I don’t see the harm in mentioning we exist
As I mentioned earlier I think the lgbt community deserves credit for our long military service

[Vojelneit]

Real genders. Just because they haven't been historically acknowledged, doesn't mean they are fake.

They're only real genders to you because you want them to be. It's like a schizophrenic guy saying he sees his hallucinations so they must be real. That's not how it works.

Edit: Fucked up the quote. Still not sure how this works.

[Christian Confederation]

Clearly most in this thread don't believe in teaching history, math, science, or life skills

Maybe if you'd stop assuming shit about us, you'd learn a thing or two. I've just stated my passion for history, and as I'm literally earning a degree in physics, its pretty safe to say that I'm all for math and science, too. And yes, life skills as well. A good personal finance class is hard to beat.

and would rather wast time teaching fake genders

Real genders. Just because they haven't been historically acknowledged, doesn't mean they are fake.

and America giving in to there insane damands for rights they already had.

*their

Also, we wouldn't be demanding equal rights if we truly already had them.

If you agree feel free to telagram me and we can continue the conversation.

Or, you can stay here and eat this can of worms you just made me open.

I have nothing to learn I have comman since and know what is right and wrong, I Will not give into y'all's crazy damands. Y'all already can merry you have everything and yes that baker was right and y'all will not take my right to follow my religion.

[Grenartia]

Real genders. Just because they haven't been historically acknowledged, doesn't mean they are fake.

They're only real genders to you because you want them to be. It's like a schizophrenic guy saying he sees his hallucinations so they must be real. That's not how it works.

I've got the scientific fields of medicine and psychology on my side. You have nothing. If anything, you just described yourself instead of me.

[Ifreann]

Yes, romantically and/or sexually. There may be hope for you yet.

Shocking though this may be for you to learn, anal sex is not a defining feature of homosexuality.

One should know about the people you share society with, and you specifically are continuing to demonstrate nothing but ignorance.

I don't know what to tell you if you honestly don't believe sexual activity with those of your own gender is a defining feature of homosexuality. That's literally what the "sexuality" in "homosexuality" refers to... As much as you want to believe homosexuality is only about love, homosexuality is also physical attraction to people of your own gender.

Your ignorance is that you seem to believe that gay men exclusively practice penetrative anal sex. That isn't the only way gay men have sex, and it is not only gay men who have sex that way. Further, your understanding of "gay" as strictly being a synonym for "homosexual" is limited, at best. There are people who are asexual but who could be accurately described as gay, because they do experience romantic attraction towards people of the same gender.

Sexuality only concerns oneself and has no place in any society that respects itself.

If other people aren't involved then what you're doing isn't "sex", citizen.

I don't specifically care about expanding my apparently oh-so-narrow knowledge about homosexuals because I don't need to know who is or isn't one for society to function.

Society doesn't need you to know anything, that's true. You specifically are irrelevant to the functioning of society. I'm saying that it would be better for you to better understand the people you are sharing society with.

[Grenartia]

Maybe if you'd stop assuming shit about us, you'd learn a thing or two. I've just stated my passion for history, and as I'm literally earning a degree in physics, its pretty safe to say that I'm all for math and science, too. And yes, life skills as well. A good personal finance class is hard to beat.



Real genders. Just because they haven't been historically acknowledged, doesn't mean they are fake.



*their

Also, we wouldn't be demanding equal rights if we truly already had them.



Or, you can stay here and eat this can of worms you just made me open.

I have nothing to learn

Clearly false. You haven't even learned basic spelling. Anyone who says they have nothing to learn hasn't learned anything.

I have comman since

*common sense

And common sense doesn't always lead you to the truth. If it did, there'd be no need to learn anything. Also, Dunning-Kruger is in full effect.

and know what is right and wrong,

Implying I don't. Which would be a false assumption on your part.

I Will not give into y'all's crazy damands.

*demand

How is wanting to be treated equally a "crazy demand"?

Y'all already can merry you have everything

*marry

And marriage equality isn't everything. And marriage equality does nothing to correct my identity documents. It does nothing to make sure I won't be fired because of some bigot.

and yes that baker was right

He wasn't, and if yall had any ounce of foresight, you'd realize what a stupid and self-harming precedent would be set by the law accepting his lawyers' arguments.

and y'all will not take my right to follow my religion.

We don't even fucking want to do that. Get off your persecution complex and go out into the real world, kid.

[Christian Confederation]

I don't know what to tell you if you honestly don't believe sexual activity with those of your own gender is a defining feature of homosexuality. That's literally what the "sexuality" in "homosexuality" refers to... As much as you want to believe homosexuality is only about love, homosexuality is also physical attraction to people of your own gender.

Your ignorance is that you seem to believe that gay men exclusively practice penetrative anal sex. That isn't the only way gay men have sex, and it is not only gay men who have sex that way. Further, your understanding of "gay" as strictly being a synonym for "homosexual" is limited, at best. There are people who are asexual but who could be accurately described as gay, because they do experience romantic attraction towards people of the same gender.

Sexuality only concerns oneself and has no place in any society that respects itself.

If other people aren't involved then what you're doing isn't "sex", citizen.

I don't specifically care about expanding my apparently oh-so-narrow knowledge about homosexuals because I don't need to know who is or isn't one for society to function.

Society doesn't need you to know anything, that's true. You specifically are irrelevant to the functioning of society. I'm saying that it would be better for you to better understand the people you are sharing society with.

I do a man marries a woman, they have and rase children, the children get married and the cycle repeats as it has since Eden.

[Vojelneit]

You have nothing.

Lol. You don't know me. Keep yourself in check.

[Grenartia]

You have nothing.

Lol. You don't know me. Keep yourself in check.

Take your own advice.

[Vojelneit]

Lol. You don't know me. Keep yourself in check.

Take your own advice.

Take your own advice as well, then:

Get off your persecution complex and go out into the real world, kid.