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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:44 pm

What exactly is this "LGBT History" they're teaching? Is it actually about events that are relevant to American History or is just a bunch of nonsense about some famous dudes who may have been gay?
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What we need, though, is decent infrastructure outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and a swift and just and humane end to the opioid crisis.

And that will never happen because our governor and legislature are weak and ineffective as all Hell.


Do you live in NEPA (and in particular the Coal Region) by any chance?
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is this "LGBT History" they're teaching? Is it actually about events that are relevant to American History or is just a bunch of nonsense about some famous dudes who may have been gay?

Hopefully the former. I doubt anyone will allow the latter.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 pm

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Stellar Colonies wrote:There are entire classes dedicated purely to LGBT history?

I've seen classes here devoted to black history, but I haven't seen these before.

Also...


Uh, no.

I seriously doubt it. Probably would be a college class anyway.


If it isn’t two straight hours of Ancient Greek and Iberian Moorish same-sex love, is it really an LGBT history class?

Perhaps not.

I wonder if they'd also talk about the Etruscans and Romans.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:45 pm

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Dresderstan wrote:And that will never happen because our governor and legislature are weak and ineffective as all Hell.


Do you live in NEPA (and in particular the Coal Region) by any chance?

Surprisingly yes, and it was the coal region.

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Postby Brittany Normandy Aquitaine » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:46 pm

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Yeah, how dare they teach history...


i love history

but lgbt history is not the type of school history that history is

history is politics and nations, like factbooks that tell the history of a nation in NS

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:47 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is this "LGBT History" they're teaching? Is it actually about events that are relevant to American History or is just a bunch of nonsense about some famous dudes who may have been gay?


The latter by the sounds of it.

But James Buchanan's sexuality will be common knowledge, yay.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is this "LGBT History" they're teaching? Is it actually about events that are relevant to American History or is just a bunch of nonsense about some famous dudes who may have been gay?

Hopefully the former. I doubt anyone will allow the latter.


Oh you'd be surprised...
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Valrifell wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is this "LGBT History" they're teaching? Is it actually about events that are relevant to American History or is just a bunch of nonsense about some famous dudes who may have been gay?


The latter by the sounds of it.

But James Buchanan's sexuality will be common knowledge, yay.


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Do you live in NEPA (and in particular the Coal Region) by any chance?

Surprisingly yes, and it was the coal region.


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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:48 pm

...under what subject?

The US education system is very spurious and questionable. Not sure why such things would ever be put into exams, then again, I don't know what other useless crap is in there at present.

I don't oppose, just find it to be very useless information to know both for academic/knowledge and employment purposes.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:49 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:What exactly is this "LGBT History" they're teaching? Is it actually about events that are relevant to American History or is just a bunch of nonsense about some famous dudes who may have been gay?


The latter by the sounds of it.

But James Buchanan's sexuality will be common knowledge, yay.


So in other words it's completely irrelevant and pointless.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:53 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:...under what subject?

The US education system is very spurious and questionable. Not sure why such things would ever be put into exams, then again, I don't know what other useless crap is in there at present.

I don't oppose, just find it to be very useless information to know both for academic/knowledge and employment purposes.


The teaching of useless information is worthy of opposition, IMO.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:53 pm

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But LGBT people deserve disrespect, of course.


just because you ARE either of those does not mean you are worthy of respect.


I mean, I believe all humans deserve basic respect unless they've done something to warrant losing that respect.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:57 pm

Brittany Normandy Aquitaine wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, how dare they teach history...


i love history

but lgbt history is not the type of school history that history is

history is politics and nations, like factbooks that tell the history of a nation in NS


A large part of history is cultural and the inner workings of civilizations and the humans within them.
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Thank you, Murphy, very cool!


Can we plz fix NJ transit now?
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:58 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:...under what subject?

The US education system is very spurious and questionable. Not sure why such things would ever be put into exams, then again, I don't know what other useless crap is in there at present.

I don't oppose, just find it to be very useless information to know both for academic/knowledge and employment purposes.

Is all of history like that, though? And just about everything, by that qualification?
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Kannap wrote:
Brittany Normandy Aquitaine wrote:
i love history

but lgbt history is not the type of school history that history is

history is politics and nations, like factbooks that tell the history of a nation in NS


A large part of history is cultural and the inner workings of civilizations and the humans within them.


LGBT has less to do with culture and more to do with sociology and biology; i.e., not history.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:59 pm

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The latter by the sounds of it.

But James Buchanan's sexuality will be common knowledge, yay.


So in other words it's completely irrelevant and pointless.


Not at all, just not ideal.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:00 pm

Grater Tovakia wrote:Thank you, Murphy, very cool!


Can we plz fix NJ transit now?


You think that the transportation infrastructure in NJ is bad? Outside of the metropolitan areas of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, PA has horrid infrastructure. Truly horrid. At least in Hell the roads are reasonably paved.
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I mean, telling people they should have stances on modern day issues doesn't sound bad, citizens should be invested in their society and its politics.

I believe they mean educators pushing a specific stance.

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Valrifell wrote:
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So in other words it's completely irrelevant and pointless.


Not at all, just not ideal.


Explain to me the relevance of the LGBT in American History outside of the advancement and expansion of civil rights.
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Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
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A large part of history is cultural and the inner workings of civilizations and the humans within them.


LGBT has less to do with culture and more to do with sociology and biology; i.e., not history.

...culture is very closely intertwined with sociology.
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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Grater Tovakia wrote:Thank you, Murphy, very cool!


Can we plz fix NJ transit now?


You think that the transportation infrastructure in NJ is bad? Outside of the metropolitan areas of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, PA has horrid infrastructure. Truly horrid. At least in Hell the roads are reasonably paved.

New Jersey's transport system should be fixed instead. The money should be reappropriated.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:03 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
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Not at all, just not ideal.


Explain to me the relevance of the LGBT in American History outside of the advancement and expansion of civil rights.

We teach the 1960s Civil Rights movement in our history classes, why not this?
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