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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:28 pm

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:That’s like saying that the civil rights movement started ages before it did. I’m talking about the big one in the near future. I doubt there are many time travelers here and teaching people the future seems like a bad idea.

I doubt something like that will happen, because Blacks in the US were legally segregated, but LGBT people have the same rights as any other citizen.

Republicans have been working pretty hard to make that not the case for trans people, and up until a few years ago for gay and bi people too.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:36 pm

Quite different from the "anti-lbgt chapels" I had to go to "because clubs do not help at all in the real world, unlike these" during seventh to ninth grade.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:36 pm

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I don’t understand what you’re getting at, but I fixed the formatting.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:38 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Quite different from the "anti-lbgt chapels" I had to go to "because clubs do not help at all in the real world, unlike these" during seventh to ninth grade.


Religion, stayin’ classy as usual.

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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:42 pm

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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:Quite different from the "anti-lbgt chapels" I had to go to "because clubs do not help at all in the real world, unlike these" during seventh to ninth grade.


Religion, stayin’ classy as usual.

But it was required by my school, and enforced by a detention and copying out of the Bible for an hour if not obeyed.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:44 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Religion, stayin’ classy as usual.

But it was required by my school, and enforced by a detention and copying out of the Bible for an hour if not obeyed.


‘Tis quite ironic that the harshest anti-X measures more often than not leads to people violently rubberbanding to the highly pro-X side.

Trying to jackhammer "the big gay bad" into somebody’s head almost always results in said person either being very fine with gay people or outright coming out as gay.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:46 pm

Ifreann wrote:You've befouled my perfectly cromulent post.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:49 pm

Aureumterra wrote:Don’t see anything wrong with teaching LGBT history. I just hope educators don’t see it as a platform to make direct political statement or the “We’re oppressed till this date by right wingers!” stuff

This ^^

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:55 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:‘Tis quite ironic that the harshest anti-X measures more often than not leads to people violently rubberbanding to the highly pro-X side.

Trying to jackhammer "the big gay bad" into somebody’s head almost always results in said person either being very fine with gay people or outright coming out as gay.

This is why I’m not an atheist and I don’t believe strongly in any religion being better. Excessively rude attacks on a religion convinced me not to be like the people in question. So, ironically, radical anti-theists and religious fundamentalists have a bigger influence on my beliefs than people who share the same thoughts.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:59 pm

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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:But it was required by my school, and enforced by a detention and copying out of the Bible for an hour if not obeyed.


‘Tis quite ironic that the harshest anti-X measures more often than not leads to people violently rubberbanding to the highly pro-X side.

Trying to jackhammer "the big gay bad" into somebody’s head almost always results in said person either being very fine with gay people or outright coming out as gay.

It is not exactly ironic when you think about it enough. If X were as obvious as its supporters claim, then why would its supporters need to be so actively promoting it? This goes for flat-earthers, chemtrail believers, moon hoaxers, and extremists in general, when they happen to be the proselytising type.
Also, it seems that being totally revolted and disgusted by (and misinformed to where gay=bi=trans=(opposite-sex)-incest-loving) any and all deviations from straight, cisgender, and following gender roles is by far the most common result. The second most common is what you said (which is maybe a 1/30 chance, on a good day).
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:01 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Don’t see anything wrong with teaching LGBT history. I just hope educators don’t see it as a platform to make direct political statement or the “We’re oppressed till this date by right wingers!” stuff

This ^^

I wonder how you'd teach LGBT history without including all the oppression. Do they teach black history without mentioning slavery?
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:07 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Don’t see anything wrong with teaching LGBT history. I just hope educators don’t see it as a platform to make direct political statement or the “We’re oppressed till this date by right wingers!” stuff

This ^^


I mean, that's essentially getting mad over what happened.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:09 pm

Valrifell wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This ^^


I mean, that's essentially getting mad over what happened.

But those facts hurt my feelings!
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:09 pm

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Telling students court cases is useless memorizations without the context - or "identity" as you inelegantly put it - and not worth learning other than for standardized tests.


There's nothing wrong with studying court cases. It helps you know why our laws are what they are right now. "We don't need to study court cases" is certainly a hot take that no gov teacher is going to buy. When we study court cases, of course we go over their context. Once again, we do cover LGBT events in our history and gov classes, but we do so in a sequential, historical matter. We don't single-out LGBT events and dump them together. In fact, that would be a good example of tearing away the context. In history class we learn history, not 'LGBT History,' 'White History,' or 'Female History.'


Do note that the law is not going to create a whole new mandatory class or even create an elective, it's a modification to the current curriculum to add in LGBT contributions where relevant. If they go far enough, then there might even be conversations on Stonewall.

But as Farn mentioned the school system in the US is extremely de-centralized and I don't think Trenton has the authority to impose a precise means to do this statewide.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:10 pm

This is very, very good. Wish I'd had stuff like this back in high school, but I'm happy for the students who will get this sort of education. :3
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:19 pm

Why teach LGBT history when I never even learned half of the fun things in history.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:25 pm

Aureumterra wrote:Don’t see anything wrong with teaching LGBT history. I just hope educators don’t see it as a platform to make direct political statement or the “We’re oppressed till this date by right wingers!” stuff

So you want them to omit mentioning the demonstrable fact that the same dipshits who oppressed us for decades are still actively at it and even hold institutional power in places such as state governments and the presidency?
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Postby Liriena » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:28 pm

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Postby Aclion » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:33 pm

I think that New Jersey has a 83% literacy rate and therefore has better things to do.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:39 pm

Aclion wrote:I think that New Jersey has a 83% literacy rate and therefore has better things to do.


Literally no reason why both things can't be done.

EDIT: I'm also struggling to find something to back up that stat that isn't from 2003.
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Aclion wrote:I think that New Jersey has a 83% literacy rate and therefore has better things to do.

Education systems can multitask???
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:54 pm

Liriena wrote:This is very, very good. Wish I'd had stuff like this back in high school, but I'm happy for the students who will get this sort of education. :3


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Postby Teachian » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:48 pm

Ayyyy, glad to hear. Too bad that didn’t happen back when I was in school there, but I’ll have to reach out to my sister and ask her about it.

Considering she went to school wearing the pride flag like a cloak, something tells me she’ll be very pleased.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:55 am

Teachian wrote:Ayyyy, glad to hear. Too bad that didn’t happen back when I was in school there, but I’ll have to reach out to my sister and ask her about it.

Considering she went to school wearing the pride flag like a cloak, something tells me she’ll be very pleased.

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