New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Unithonia]

Done this once, not gonna do it again

Honesty is good.

Yep
Which is why I'm being honest!

[Puldania]

Then there'd definitely be calls for that teacher's job.

We received an apology from the district and the teacher. Nothing more was done, although I assume if the teacher does something like that again they will be fired

Well wouldn't that have been better to include?
Otherwise the statement implies it was a district sanctioned talking point.

[Unithonia]

And your point is?

That Irish is not mutually exclusive with American.
Seriously I just said that.

I never said Irish was mutually exclusive with American

[Unithonia]

We received an apology from the district and the teacher. Nothing more was done, although I assume if the teacher does something like that again they will be fired

Well wouldn't that have been better to include?
Otherwise the statement implies it was a district sanctioned talking point.

I mentioned it in a later post

The other teacher was not punished at all

[Puldania]

Well wouldn't that have been better to include?
Otherwise the statement implies it was a district sanctioned talking point.

I mentioned it in a later post

The other teacher was not punished at all

Did you make any effort to report this?
Clearly it did not damage enough for you to hide it, since you are using it to serve an argument.
(Anecdotal evidence dors not hold, notwithstanding.)

[Unithonia]

I mentioned it in a later post

The other teacher was not punished at all

Did you make any effort to report this?
Clearly it did not damage enough for you to hide it, since you are using it to serve an argument.
(Anecdotal evidence dors not hold, notwithstanding.)

I reported both the teachers. I feel that this personal experience helps my argument, so I cited it. That's not a crime lol

[Twilight Imperium]

Both were doing lectures on social justice. When I challenged them using my 1st Amendment right, that is the reaction I received. I am not misrepresenting what they said, but that's a pointless debate as neither of us can prove our side with anything but word or assumption.

People are doubting you because this is exactly the same bullshit every kid spouts when they get in trouble. "All I did was (thing that's obviously dumb and wrong but phrased innocuously) and they jumped down my throat!" You can be 100% truthful in the telling but still completely full of shit. It's like someone saying "all I did was move my hands near him and touch someone completely different and the guy just started hitting me!" as a summary of "yeah I hit him first and slept with his wife, so he beat me up".

You interrupted your teacher to try and start a debate during class and somehow they're the asshole for telling you to shut up? I had a kid like you in my economics class once, when he finally left in mid lecture we all breathed a sigh of relief. Nobody cares about some random kid's opinion during a lecture class, and while the teacher was apparently pretty rude about it, "sit down and shut up" is exactly correct.

The first amendment offers protection against being prosecuted for your views, it isn't a magical "now we have to stop everything and listen to meeeee" spell. You have a right to hold and express your views without censure, you don't have a right to blare your noise over the class everyone else is there for. If you disagree that strongly with the content being presented, arguing with the teacher in the middle of class is the dumbest way possible to accomplish anything.
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Edit: If it helps you to parse the message better, please feel free to read "kid" as "responsible citizen", it should still work.

[Xu XIX]

*Waves the rainbow flag and throws glitter at potential enemies*

[The New California Republic]

Both were doing lectures on social justice. When I challenged them using my 1st Amendment right, that is the reaction I received. I am not misrepresenting what they said, but that's a pointless debate as neither of us can prove our side with anything but word or assumption.

People are doubting you because this is exactly the same bullshit every kid spouts when they get in trouble. "All I did was (thing that's obviously dumb and wrong but phrased innocuously) and they jumped down my throat!" You can be 100% truthful in the telling but still completely full of shit. It's like someone saying "all I did was move my hands near him and touch someone completely different and the guy just started hitting me!" as a summary of "yeah I hit him first and slept with his wife, so he beat me up".

You interrupted your teacher to try and start a debate during class and somehow they're the asshole for telling you to shut up? I had a kid like you in my economics class once, when he finally left in mid lecture we all breathed a sigh of relief. Nobody cares about some random kid's opinion during a lecture class, and while the teacher was apparently pretty rude about it, "sit down and shut up" is exactly correct.

The first amendment offers protection against being prosecuted for your views, it isn't a magical "now we have to stop everything and listen to meeeee" spell. You have a right to hold and express your views without censure, you don't have a right to blare your noise over the class everyone else is there for. If you disagree that strongly with the content being presented, arguing with the teacher in the middle of class is the dumbest way possible to accomplish anything.

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*Waves the rainbow flag and throws glitter at potential enemies*

Glitter, or pies. The video that shows the famous pieing of Anita Bryant always puts a smile on my face.

[Xu XIX]

*Waves the rainbow flag and throws glitter at potential enemies*

Glitter, or pies. The video that shows the famous pieing of Anita Bryant always puts a smile on my face.

But what about a pie... made of glitter? Or the vice versa? I bet that would work!

And you know, I completely forgot that happened so I looked it up and now I'm grinning like an idiot. Thanks for that, friend!

[Kannap]

Reminds me of a beautiful Twitter post I saw earlier today by a wonderful mutual follower of mine who's recently started tweeting deeply about their theological studies.

The tweet:

Evangelicals: America is a Christian nation
Jesus: "My kingdom is not of this world"

So are you saying it is wrong for Christians to be engaging in politics?

Christians engaging in politics isn't a problem. Making laws based on religion for a nation that isn't a theocracy based on that religion is where the problem lies.

[Audioslavia]

This Unithonia guy sounds like some crybaby. No wonder since he's got "i know biology heh heh" and "im a straight white male!!!" in his bio.

This is a shit-tier contribution to the thread. As your most recent ban for flaming was four months ago I'm going to give you a *** warning for flaming ***. Please do better.

[Karu Nadu]

Glitter, or pies. The video that shows the famous pieing of Anita Bryant always puts a smile on my face.

But what about a pie... made of glitter? Or the vice versa? I bet that would work!

And you know, I completely forgot that happened so I looked it up and now I'm grinning like an idiot. Thanks for that, friend!

I'm not smiling that much, but it was certainly entertaining.

[Xu XIX]

But what about a pie... made of glitter? Or the vice versa? I bet that would work!

And you know, I completely forgot that happened so I looked it up and now I'm grinning like an idiot. Thanks for that, friend!

I'm not smiling that much, but it was certainly entertaining.

At least we both got entertained by the end of the day, right? That's all that matters, me thinks.

[Bear Stearns]

I really don't believe LGBT history is all that important enough to be taught as part of the official curriculum. Electives, sure, I guess.

At the end of the day, someone's sexual behavior is pretty irrelevant.

[Neutraligon]

I really don't believe LGBT history is all that important enough to be taught as part of the official curriculum. Electives, sure, I guess.

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

[Bear Stearns]

I really don't believe LGBT history is all that important enough to be taught as part of the official curriculum. Electives, sure, I guess.

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

[Karu Nadu]

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

People of the LGBT+ community are still discriminated today, and if you didn't realize that, just from looking through this thread, there is a problem.

[Neutraligon]

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

Right now, they can be fired for being lgbt. They can be blocked from housing because they are lgbt. They can be tortured because they are lgbt (conversion therapy is torture). Adoption agencies can get federal money and yet tell lgbt partners no they will not be able to adopt. There are still movements that want to make it so students to do not get punished for bullying those who are lgbt, hell there is even a defense that is still used in courts of law that amounts to I was scared because they are gay. Trans individuals are having to deal with the bathroom bills, among other serious issues.

[Bear Stearns]

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

People of the LGBT+ community are still discriminated today, and if you didn't realize that, just from looking through this thread, there is a problem.

How? In employment? Certainly not, that's illegal. In marriage? Nope, not there.

By people in their personal lives, maybe so, but are we really going to give a shit about someone's day-to-day interactions?

Like honestly...who cares?

[The New California Republic]

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

Serious violence against LGBT people is still a big problem.

[Neutraligon]

People of the LGBT+ community are still discriminated today, and if you didn't realize that, just from looking through this thread, there is a problem.

How? In employment? Certainly not, that's illegal.

No it isn't.

In marriage? Nope, not there.

One of the few places we have caught up on.

By people in their personal lives, maybe so, but are we really going to give a shit about someone's day-to-day interactions?

Like honestly...who cares?

Read my post.

[Bear Stearns]

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

Serious violence against LGBT people is still a big problem.

Then why not just make countering this part of a general anti-crime initiative?

Violence against LGBT people is still minuscule compared to your typical murders and assaults.

[Karu Nadu]

People of the LGBT+ community are still discriminated today, and if you didn't realize that, just from looking through this thread, there is a problem.

How? In employment? Certainly not, that's illegal. In marriage? Nope, not there.

Uh, yeah.

LGBT+ rights aren't just about the government passing laws, they're about the "normalization" of LGBT+ within our society.