New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Neutraligon]

Why would you need both? There is a limited enough time as is, no need to teach the same thing twice.

I mean, teaching the gay rights movement and the contributions of gay people as a shot unit would be very nice.

I already said that I would prefer that we teach about the gay rights movement rather than focusing on gay individuals without the context in which they lived. So for instance Turing would be great as someone to teach about for world war 2 when it comes to his code breaking and focus on computers, and to show the situation homosexuals where in before the gay rights movement really got momentum, and why it needed to exist. Both of those are teaching about Turing in the context of history, rather then throwing all the various homosexual figures together in 1 month and doing a biography.

[Neutraligon]

Because he would fit very well into a history of World War 2, and I like how they worked African Americans throughout our history rather then just grouping them together during 1 month. Gave them context and made us really get why they are important.

But you can mention Alan's contributions without going into his being gay. You cant get away from the blackness of Sojourner Truth when talking about her.

Not really given how much what was done to him affected his career.

[The South Falls]

I mean, teaching the gay rights movement and the contributions of gay people as a shot unit would be very nice.

I already said that I would prefer that we teach about the gay rights movement rather than focusing on gay individuals without the context in which they lived. So for instance Turing would be great as someone to teach about for world war 2 when it comes to his code breaking and focus on computers, and to show the situation homosexuals where in before the gay rights movement really got momentum, and why it needed to exist. Both of those are teaching about Turing in the context of history, rather then throwing all the various homosexual figures together in 1 month and doing a biography.

Yea, that's what I would support as well. I really have nothing to debate with you at this point, and I agree.

[Trumptonium1]

Is there any description more cringy than "LGBT ally"?

There is one, it is called neo nazi.

Well I'm not the one equating LGBT "allies" with neo nazis that one's on you.

Is there any description more cringy than "LGBT ally"?

How about "not wanting to fucking die"?

En ingles esta vez por favor.

[Ethel mermania]

But you can mention Alan's contributions without going into his being gay. You cant get away from the blackness of Sojourner Truth when talking about her.

Not really given how much what was done to him affected his career.

I learned about Turing in high school, I dont remember learning about his being gay till doing reading later. They taught his research, his development of the computer, and his contributions to the bletchly park. Now granted I went to high school in the last millenia, and I dont know the NJ's PARC testing of WWII if it asks about Turing's sexuality.

But I do know if Turing is mentioned in hurray for the gay week, and if the test asks who is Turing, a positive answer would mean the kid was paying attention.

[Nation M]

We give too much attention to the topic of sexual preference/orientation in America. Surely we're better off improving our national Math and English averages. Tired of seeing basic Algebraic problems littered all over social media and the idiotoc responses. It's also quite upsetting to frequently stumble across adults confusing their, they're, and there.

[Valrifell]

We give too much attention to the topic of sexual preference/orientation in America. Surely we're better off improving our national Math and English averages. Tired of seeing basic Algebraic problems littered all over social media and the idiotoc responses. It's also quite upsetting to frequently stumble across adults confusing their, they're, and there.

We can do both.

Well, one is significantly more difficult and requires the cooperation of way more people, but in theory we can do both.

[Neutraligon]

We give too much attention to the topic of sexual preference/orientation in America. Surely we're better off improving our national Math and English averages. Tired of seeing basic Algebraic problems littered all over social media and the idiotoc responses. It's also quite upsetting to frequently stumble across adults confusing their, they're, and there.

Would you explain why we would be teaching Math and English in a history class? As to English, that should exist long before this type of history class is taught. My stupid elementary school did not even teach us to diagram sentences

[Nation M]

We can do both.

Well, one is significantly more difficult and requires the cooperation of way more people, but in theory we can do both.

I somewhat agree. We'll either have to slash some off the curriculum or add more total class time. Personally I think children and young adults find it difficult enough to sit through 8 hours of class without getting fidgety.

[Valrifell]

We give too much attention to the topic of sexual preference/orientation in America. Surely we're better off improving our national Math and English averages. Tired of seeing basic Algebraic problems littered all over social media and the idiotoc responses. It's also quite upsetting to frequently stumble across adults confusing their, they're, and there.

Would you explain why we would be teaching Math and English in a history class? As to English, that should exist long before this type of history class is taught. My stupid elementary school did not even teach us to diagram sentences

I still don't know how to diagram a sentence. From what my (angry) High School teachers told me, it was actually taken off the district (or state) guidelines for the class.

[Neutraligon]

Would you explain why we would be teaching Math and English in a history class? As to English, that should exist long before this type of history class is taught. My stupid elementary school did not even teach us to diagram sentences

I still don't know how to diagram a sentence. From what my (angry) High School teachers told me, it was actually taken off the district (or state) guidelines for the class.

I learned the very basics outside of school.

[Kannap]

We give too much attention to the topic of sexual preference/orientation in America. Surely we're better off improving our national Math and English averages. Tired of seeing basic Algebraic problems littered all over social media and the idiotoc responses. It's also quite upsetting to frequently stumble across adults confusing their, they're, and there.

The solution for the algebraic problems on social media and the idiotic responses is to stop expecting older Americans who frequent Facebook to know algebraic equations 30-50 years after they've taken their last algebra course.

[Nation M]

Would you explain why we would be teaching Math and English in a history class? As to English, that should exist long before this type of history class is taught. My stupid elementary school did not even teach us to diagram sentences

To clarily we should (still) be teaching history, however history in it of itself isn't causing kids in America to lag behind countries like Korea, Norway or Denmark. Adding to social studies class in the form of LGBT matters could be left for those who wish to major in social sciences or history.

[Neutraligon]

Would you explain why we would be teaching Math and English in a history class? As to English, that should exist long before this type of history class is taught. My stupid elementary school did not even teach us to diagram sentences

To clarily we should (still) be teaching history, however history in it of itself isn't causing kids in America to lag behind countries like Korea, Norway or Denmark. Adding to social studies class in the form of LGBT matters could be left for those who wish to major in social sciences or history.

This thread is about teaching history in a history class. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=459318&p=35287601#p35287601 would be the right place to talk about improving US education.

[Nation M]

This thread is about teaching history in a history class. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=459318&p=35287601#p35287601 would be the right place to talk about improving US education.

I understand, I'm just highlighting some issues I feel are more pertinent to creating an enriched society without the need to bring identity politics into primary and/or secondary school.

[Karu Nadu]

I’m not sure if you are aware, but LGBT people and their allies can be found in the same army and police that would be used to quell those rebellions.

Is there any description more cringy than "LGBT ally"?

Wow, what a way to stay on topic.

[Azdov Mobius]

The P doesn’t stand for Pedophile, and it doesn’t even stand for any of the Poly terms (Polygamous, Polyamorous, etc)...

It stands for Pansexual, which is usually defined as sex and gender not really playing a factor in romantic or sexual attractions in relationships.

In this case Azdov Mobius is referring to pedophilia.

Stop adding letters!!
Does the Q meaning questioning? Queer? Queer is just another word for gay.
I? I as in in questioning? A is Asexual I guess but nobody has issues with Asexual people.

Q stands for questioning and queer. Queer is not the same thing as gay; it encompasses all non-heterosexual sexual and romantic orientations, and it also includes genderqueer (nonbinary) people.

So in other words they might like a guy or girl...that’s just being bisexual.
People need to stop making new words to separate them selves further to feel more special.

The difference between pansexual and bisexual is a subtle one, but there is an important difference. Pansexual explicitly includes all gender identities, while bisexual may mean attraction to men and women or to more than two genders depending on who you ask.

There are only two genders though, so pansexual is the same as bisexual.

[Azdov Mobius]

Is there any description more cringy than "LGBT ally"?

How about "not wanting to fucking die"?

If that’s the case then why are you “defending” us against uncooperative bakers and old dying farts who rude talk us,
But not against the people of the religion of “peace” who want to bring laws to the west that will literally kill us.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

How about "not wanting to fucking die"?

If that’s the case then why are you “defending” us against uncooperative bakers and old dying farts who rude talk us,
But not against the people of the religion of “peace” who want to bring laws to the west that will literally kill us.

You’re implying I am somehow supportive of Islam, which I ain’t.

[Audioslavia]

How about "not wanting to fucking die"?

If that’s the case then why are you “defending” us against uncooperative bakers and old dying farts who rude talk us,
But not against the people of the religion of “peace” who want to bring laws to the west that will literally kill us.

Hi there!

Sarcastically throwing around the term 'religion of peace' is a type of flamebait that we discourage. If you want to call Islam stupid or evil, then call Islam stupid or evil. Hiding behind sarcastic nicknames brings the discussion down into the gutter. Please don't do that

Cheers,

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[Novo Vaticanus]

All bad

[Andsed]

All bad

Why is this bad exactly?

[The Free Joy State]

All bad

Why is this bad exactly?

I theorise that the idea behind it is something to do with "kids who see LGBT people without grabbing pitchforks may turn LGBT", because something-something Leviticus, I'm guessing. /s

I think the classes are a great idea. But I do agree with others that the history of the movement should be taught, as well as notable figures (although I do think they should cover people like Turing; I mean I think it will be surprising to teens to learn that someone who did so much for the war was prosecuted and his name not cleared until years after he died -- things such as that will be a real illustration, for all young people, of how far society has come and of the importance of not regressing)

[Bienenhalde]

Exactly the point; you're sending a message with this decisive action.

I continue to find it funny that conservatives believe heavily in state's rights and small government until states/small governments such as municipalities or counties do things conservatives don't like.

Or you could accept that the right-wing is not a homogeneous hive-mind and includes multiple sometimes conflicting sub-ideologies. Heck, some of us actually support LGBT rights.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I continue to find it funny that conservatives believe heavily in state's rights and small government until states/small governments such as municipalities or counties do things conservatives don't like.

Or you could accept that the right-wing is not a homogeneous hive-mind and includes multiple sometimes conflicting sub-ideologies. Heck, some of us actually support LGBT rights.

Clearly LGBT people who support conservatives hate themselves! *nods*

Because fiscal conservatism or belief in tradition apparently doesn’t exist..