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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:30 pm

Slarvainian wrote:
Aellex wrote:I mean, no one is forcing you to put it in another man's ass even if you're attracted to them, tho.

The ability to have consensual sexual relations with another human being is a human right.


Consensual is the pivotal element of your sentence.

By consensual, it is between two human adults.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:32 pm

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Things where better for blacks in the 60s they they where before slavery, that does not mean me ignore the lynching and things that happened in the 60s, nor do we ignore the de facto issues that continue to exist to this day...for either group. No, but then people can control their mouth, they cannot control their sexuality or their being trans. And unlike people who chew their mouths of, there was a history of violence and de-jure discrimination against both blacks and lgbt people. And...there are still people attempting to make de-jure discrimination against lgbt people. or where you not aware of the groups trying to make it ok to bully homosexuals in schools? And that they xist and are relatively common is a sign that the culture that caused the subjugation is still in power, as are those damned bathroom bills and the gay/trans panic defense.


Of course we don’t ignore the issues that exist for either group, we just shouldn’t deny someone else’s right to be a shitty person. It’s a treat the symptoms because all our treatments for the cause are wandering into unethical.

I’m absolutely down for enforcing anti discrimination across all government. And you will find that those in support of those bills are an ever shrinking minority who do not have the universality that they once had. Their continued existence isn’t the hegemony it once was.

This is a topic for a different thread. All I will say here is I disagree with you.
As for the hegemony, the 80s where not the same as the 60s, that does not change the fact that there where still issues. Things being better does not mean that there are not still issues, and the fact of the matter remains, there are large enough groups of people trying to make de-jure government discrimination that it is an actual threat to lgbt people.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:33 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Slarvainian wrote:The ability to have consensual sexual relations with another human being is a human right.


Consensual is the pivotal element of your sentence.

By consensual, it is between two human adults.


On a side note I’ve always thought that we should adopt a more gradual method of gauging maturity. A three or four tiered system. Instead of just child/adult.
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Postby Slarvainian » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:35 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Consensual is the pivotal element of your sentence.

By consensual, it is between two human adults.


Yes. It's absolutely imperative that people be allowed to have sexual relations. It's essential for nearly all healthy romantic relationships, and even for someone not in a relationship for the mental health benefits. It's also imperative that relationship is consensual which does mean two adults*.

*if you had a graph of the world's age of consent laws it would be a bell curve. Some countries have different standards from others.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:36 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Of course we don’t ignore the issues that exist for either group, we just shouldn’t deny someone else’s right to be a shitty person. It’s a treat the symptoms because all our treatments for the cause are wandering into unethical.

I’m absolutely down for enforcing anti discrimination across all government. And you will find that those in support of those bills are an ever shrinking minority who do not have the universality that they once had. Their continued existence isn’t the hegemony it once was.

This is a topic for a different thread. All I will say here is I disagree with you.
As for the hegemony, the 80s where not the same as the 60s, that does not change the fact that there where still issues. Things being better does not mean that there are not still issues.


Roger that. I’m beginning to believe our main disagreements here are the scope and methods used to combat them.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:42 pm

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Pasong Tirad wrote:Ah, slut-shaming. Great.


Being a slut is a bad thing regardless of who you are fucking.

Strongly disagree
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:43 pm

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Liriena wrote:No, it's not.


Yes, it is.

People trying to sympathize for aimless polygamy makes me almost made as some of those far leftist freaks who want to add a P to LGBTQ+, and that P doesn’t mean Polygamous or Pansexual if you know what I mean.

You can say pedophile. Do you think it'll summon them or something?
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Postby Karu Nadu » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:48 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
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Yes, it is.

People trying to sympathize for aimless polygamy makes me almost made as some of those far leftist freaks who want to add a P to LGBTQ+, and that P doesn’t mean Polygamous or Pansexual if you know what I mean.

You can say pedophile. Do you think it'll summon them or something?

That's a scary thought.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:48 pm

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Aellex wrote:I do not, no. There are plenty better and more interesting things to focus about.

We learn about the civil rights movement in the 60s, why shouldn't we also learn about the civil rights movement for LGBT people?

because you can't catch the black, but you can catch the gay
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Azdov Mobius wrote:
Yes, it is.

People trying to sympathize for aimless polygamy makes me almost made as some of those far leftist freaks who want to add a P to LGBTQ+, and that P doesn’t mean Polygamous or Pansexual if you know what I mean.

You can say pedophile. Do you think it'll summon them or something?


The P doesn’t stand for Pedophile, and it doesn’t even stand for any of the Poly terms (Polygamous, Polyamorous, etc)...

It stands for Pansexual, which is usually defined as sex and gender not really playing a factor in romantic or sexual attractions in relationships.

Cekoviu wrote:
Azdov Mobius wrote:
Being a slut is a bad thing regardless of who you are fucking.

Strongly disagree


There is literally nothing wrong with having lots of sex as long as it is practiced safely (so get your condoms on, swallow your pills and get checked every few months or so).

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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:08 pm

Slarvainian wrote:
Aellex wrote:I mean, no one is forcing you to put it in another man's ass even if you're attracted to them, tho.

The ability to have consensual sexual relations with another human being is a human right.


Nonsense...Nothing wrong with being celibate. The Bible teaches us that celibacy is good, so how can having consensual sexual relations be a human right?

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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:17 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Slarvainian wrote:The ability to have consensual sexual relations with another human being is a human right.


Nonsense...Nothing wrong with being celibate. The Bible teaches us that celibacy is good, so how can having consensual sexual relations be a human right?


Freedom of association covers any non physically violent consensual act.
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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:23 pm

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Not Good, per se, but potentially beneficial if implemented properly, otherwise it may inadvertently do more harm than benefit.

And how does acknowledging the historic contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons do harm exactly?


Stop adding letters!!
Does the Q meaning questioning? Queer? Queer is just another word for gay.
I? I as in in questioning? A is Asexual I guess but nobody has issues with Asexual people.

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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:24 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Slarvainian wrote:The ability to have consensual sexual relations with another human being is a human right.


Nonsense...Nothing wrong with being celibate. The Bible teaches us that celibacy is good, so how can having consensual sexual relations be a human right?


The Bible is not a valid source to use for arguments.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:25 pm

Azdov Mobius wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:And how does acknowledging the historic contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons do harm exactly?


Stop adding letters!!
Does the Q meaning questioning? Queer? Queer is just another word for gay.
I? I as in in questioning? A is Asexual I guess but nobody has issues with Asexual people.


I never really hear about any firm discrimination and oppression of asexual people, really.

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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:26 pm

Azdov Mobius wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:And how does acknowledging the historic contributions of LGBTQIA and disabled persons do harm exactly?


Stop adding letters!!
Does the Q meaning questioning? Queer? Queer is just another word for gay.
I? I as in in questioning? A is Asexual I guess but nobody has issues with Asexual people.


Yeah plenty of women have had issues with me being asexual. I literally was hospitalised four weeks ago for rejecting a woman I’ve known for a decade.
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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:26 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:You can say pedophile. Do you think it'll summon them or something?


The P doesn’t stand for Pedophile, and it doesn’t even stand for any of the Poly terms (Polygamous, Polyamorous, etc)...

It stands for Pansexual, which is usually defined as sex and gender not really playing a factor in romantic or sexual attractions in relationships.

Cekoviu wrote:Strongly disagree


There is literally nothing wrong with having lots of sex as long as it is practiced safely (so get your condoms on, swallow your pills and get checked every few months or so).


So in other words they might like a guy or girl...that’s just being bisexual.
People need to stop making new words to separate them selves further to feel more special.

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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:27 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Azdov Mobius wrote:
Stop adding letters!!
Does the Q meaning questioning? Queer? Queer is just another word for gay.
I? I as in in questioning? A is Asexual I guess but nobody has issues with Asexual people.


Yeah plenty of women have had issues with me being asexual. I literally was hospitalised four weeks ago for rejecting a woman I’ve known for a decade.


That’s not for being Asexual, that’s for breaking her heart.

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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:27 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Azdov Mobius wrote:
Stop adding letters!!
Does the Q meaning questioning? Queer? Queer is just another word for gay.
I? I as in in questioning? A is Asexual I guess but nobody has issues with Asexual people.


I never really hear about any firm discrimination and oppression of asexual people, really.


Exactly!

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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:27 pm

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Hatterleigh wrote:Minorities make up 40% of the population. Women make up 50% of the population. Slavery has defined all of American history. Gay people have had meek influence on american history outside of issues involving the LGBT community.


The movement has had a pretty dramatic impact on the last couple decades. What, is 40% the minimum cut-off point?

It has been in the news, but in 200 years the gay rights movement of the united states, or any country for that matter, will not even be recored in the books. There is a big difference between 40% and 3%.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:28 pm

Azdov Mobius wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Yeah plenty of women have had issues with me being asexual. I literally was hospitalised four weeks ago for rejecting a woman I’ve known for a decade.


That’s not for being Asexual, that’s for breaking her heart.


Some would say that there’s a connection there.
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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:28 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:You can say pedophile. Do you think it'll summon them or something?


The P doesn’t stand for Pedophile, and it doesn’t even stand for any of the Poly terms (Polygamous, Polyamorous, etc)...

It stands for Pansexual, which is usually defined as sex and gender not really playing a factor in romantic or sexual attractions in relationships.

Cekoviu wrote:Strongly disagree


There is literally nothing wrong with having lots of sex as long as it is practiced safely (so get your condoms on, swallow your pills and get checked every few months or so).


Overindulgence in any activity is bad. Or atleast bad for you.

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Postby Azdov Mobius » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:29 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
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That’s not for being Asexual, that’s for breaking her heart.


Some would say that there’s a connection there.


Had they rejected her because they were gay or were straight but loved a different woman, or just thought it wouldn’t work or just wasn’t ready...it would be the same outcome.

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Postby Hatterleigh » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:33 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Nonsense...Nothing wrong with being celibate. The Bible teaches us that celibacy is good, so how can having consensual sexual relations be a human right?


Freedom of association covers any non physically violent consensual act.

The law =/= morality.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:37 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Freedom of association covers any non physically violent consensual act.

The law =/= morality.


The bible =/= morality, or relevant.
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