New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Aellex]

In a sort of related topic that links back
Did anyone have to do a report on a black person in history in school? And what did you think about it, as I’d support doing the same thing with lgbt people

No, why would one has to do that? That just sounds dumbly racist to me, tbh.
Then again, Europe in general is way less race-focused than the US are so maybe it's just a cultural thing.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I really want to discuss the topic

We are currently discussing a point of order about the discussion of topics.

If you do want to discuss the topic itself and not the point of order, here's a lead:

1. the rates of other STDs, such as antibiotic resistant syphillis, which is making a comeback thanks to grindr
2. the average lifespan of homosexuals
3. the psychological consequences (late life depression) of having no children
4. the rates of depression, suicide and other self-harm behaviors among LGBT+ people
5. the rates of domestic sexual abuse of children adopted by male homosexual couples, compared to the same rate of sexual abuse of the biological children of heterosexuals

You are free to search CDC or other government-approved statistics about the health problems and promiscuous sexual behavior of the LGBT community.

Discuss:

In light of their poor health and the prevalence of risky behaviors, should the LGBT community be discussed as a public health issue in the context of LGBT History classes?

Well no because we already have sex education classes which cover the spread of stds and safe practices in sexual relationships

[Andsed]

In a sort of related topic that links back
Did anyone have to do a report on a black person in history in school? And what did you think about it, as I’d support doing the same thing with lgbt people

No, why would one has to do that? That just sounds dumbly racist to me, tbh.
Then again, Europe in general is way less race-focused than the US are so maybe it's just a cultural thing.

How is that racist?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I would also support something along those line.

I think that would be a good way to teach it.

Even though we don't have Black History Month in the UK, I seem to remember learning about Mary Seacole in lower high school (year seven). We also did a few weeks learning about the slave trade.

I think focusing on significant events and people would be a good way to teach history, which is the curriculum subject under discussion.

It is a more American thing I’ll say, with a sort of need to celebrate minorities in our country

[The South Falls]

Oh by the way, I'd like to make it known that this extends to things such as the gay rights movement and the contributions of gay people, not necessarily "11!!1!1!!1!11!!People are gay!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!oolsolololoolo

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Here is the Incion official TL;DR of the unapproved opinion(tm) quoted above.

1. The government is attempting to brainwash young people, and I am sick of it.
2. I respect the rights of other people to do what they want, but I do not want the government to promote unhealthy lifestyles to children.
3. You can silence social conservatives, but we will always think that deviant (statistical term) sexual practices are bad for society.
4. I do not want these ideas to be forced onto the population, specifically children.
5. There is an unnamed dark force behind your movement, demonic in nature.
6. New sexual identities have been invented, which did not previously exist.
7. The original school of revolutionary communists in the USSR and Latin America shared my opinions on deviant sexual practices, and repressed them with State authority.
8. Though you claim to be tolerant, you do not tolerate dissenting opinions about what the State can teach my children. You seek to avoid honest debate and silence dissent.
9. I am likely to be censored for writing this.

In every capacity, I agree with what you said above. You are also correct in your diagnosis of how this forum works. However, I also believe that you were the man that applauded school shooters. That is unacceptable.

1) Engage in a discussion of your arbitrary flow chart definition of "speech I do not like as trolling",

It's NSG-blr. This will never happen.

2) Abstain from this, and allow a genuine two-sided discussion of "LGBT History classes" in which more opinions are expressed than the one opinion held by social progressives with tens of thousands of posts.

This is NSG-blr. Uniformity in thought is encouraged.

3) See what the internet looks like when you decide to be rude and refuse to allow political discussion on the general forum of a game about politics.

Don't make threats to the powers that be. That gives them an excuse to exact punishment.

Consider your situation carefully.

Don't commit metaphorical suicide. We need more people like you.

[Kannap]

I wouldn't see why an LGBT history module anywhere in the U.S. wouldn't teach about Harvey Milk, he's a pretty important part of the LGBT rights movement, not just California.

While forum moderation is reviewing their own political prejudice in moderation habits, we will continue the debate.

I wouldn't see why an LGBT history module anywhere in the U.S. would not teach about the "bathhouse culture", the average number of sexual partners per year of LGBT identifying people (which greatly exceeds the promiscuity of heterosexuals)

Citation needed.

and the AIDS crisis.

Would absolutely need to touch on the AIDs crisis, which effected more than just LGBT people, but also to touch on Reagan's ignoring the deaths of many Americans until the crisis reached outside the LGBT community.

the rates of other STDs, such as antibiotic resistant syphillis, which is making a comeback thanks to grindr

Do you discuss the rates of STDs among heterosexuals when discussing history presently?

2. the average lifespan of homosexuals

I'm going to take "evidence" from the obituaries of young heterosexuals to publish and prove, in a "study," that all heterosexuals die young.

3. the psychological consequences (late life depression) of having no children

I can have children, and I plan on having children. Next.

4. the rates of depression, suicide and other self-harm behaviors among LGBT+ people

Yes! Now you're getting it! The history module would have to touch on the horrific treatment the LGBT community has endured and continues to endure resulting in higher rates of youth suicides and overall depression. Maybe then, if we teach this history of horrible treatment, then the students will see that bullying or treating others horribly is bad and will stop. Maybe the future will be brighter for future generations.

5. the rates of domestic sexual abuse of children adopted by male homosexual couples, compared to the same rate of sexual abuse of the biological children of heterosexuals

They're about the same, last I checked, feel free to post a source if things have changed recently.

Still - are we going to discuss the problems faced by the LGBT community, or just paint rainbow colors over it and pretend everything is fine? Serious question.

Yes, we would be discussing problems faced by the LGBT community. The police raids and brutality on LGBT communities by raiding and arresting everybody found in gay bars, among other reasons why the LGBT community today still doesn't trust or favor police officers (see the "no cops at Pride" discussions every time Pride happens); the members of our community historically brutally murdered, assassinated, left in the middle of nowhere tied to a fence to die, brutally beaten; the members of our community who were lost to the AIDs crisis because society didn't want to do anything to save our fellow citizens and human beings because they're doing icky butt stuff. These are all things I'd love to see discussed in a conversation about LGBT history.

[The Free Joy State]

I didn't, but I would support that and this.

Like Thomas Alexander Dumas is a man I have deep respect for and never would’ve known had I not written a report on him in 9th grade history

I think that's why teaching about significant people in history classes is so important.

Children may never discover new heroes without those lessons.

[Aellex]

How is that racist?

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

[Valrifell]

How is that racist?

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

Doing a report on a someone who did something and was black, actually. Not some rando.

[The South Falls]

How is that racist?

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

Do you think imma pull some dude of the street and stalk-report him?

[The South Falls]

Well no because we already have sex education classes which cover the spread of stds and safe practices in sexual relationships

Do these classes acknowledge that homosexuals have a much higher rate of STD contraction and a much higher degree of sexual promiscuity?

Do you think that the drug abuse, sexual abuse, self-harm, suicide and other mental health problems that are overrepresented in the LGBT community should be taught to children?

Bonus question:

Do you blame people outside the LGBT community for all of their problems? Do you think that it would be good for public health to teach children that these people are responsible for the consequences of their own behavior?

I think the idea trying to be taught here by NJ is that "LGBT people make contributions in history", not that gay peope are the best people.

[Karu Nadu]

How is that racist?

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

How do you know?

[Internationalist Bastard]

How is that racist?

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

See and I do I understand that argument
But let me try to put it like this. Imagine in France there was a a trend of never really talking about French Catholics. Obviously they are a majority throughout the nations history so you’ll need to bear with this hypothetical
Would you not want schools to put a special focus on teaching students the importance of French Catholics throughout history?

[The Free Joy State]

How is that racist?

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

The report is not because they're black (anymore than the reports would be solely because someone is LGBT+), but because they did something incredible and happened to be black (or LGBT+).

Alan Turing is a hero, not because he was openly gay, but because he helped win the war. However, that he was openly gay and prosecuted for that, and not exonerated until after his death, is often excluded in tellings of his life. All these reports would do is give children the full story, and a more rounded picture of people who were pretty great already.

[Kannap]

I really want to discuss the topic

We are currently discussing a point of order about the discussion of topics.

If you do want to discuss the topic itself and not the point of order, here's a lead:

1. the rates of other STDs, such as antibiotic resistant syphillis, which is making a comeback thanks to grindr

Citation needed. Also do you discuss the rates of STDs in regular history classes?

2. the average lifespan of homosexuals

Average life expectancy of American citizens is 78.69 years.

3. the psychological consequences (late life depression) of having no children

Is that something you discuss in regular history classes?

You are free to search CDC or other government-approved statistics about the health problems and promiscuous sexual behavior of the LGBT community.

You are free to provide sources for anything you post. The burden of proving your statements falls on you, not on us.

[Andsed]

We need more people like you.

If I continue to see this "dissent is trolling" behavior from your totalitarian mommy moderators, you will get many, many more people like me.

If you want to discuss the mods and make weak laughable threats do it here: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=16 and let us actually discuss the topic this thread was made for.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I wouldn't see why an LGBT history module anywhere in the U.S. wouldn't teach about Harvey Milk, he's a pretty important part of the LGBT rights movement, not just California.

Harvey Milk contributed nothing to history. NOTHING. He is completely undeserving of the idolization he receives and the fact that the LGB Lobby adores him reveals some of their underlying rot. The terrorists/assassins who shot him, IIRC, were not there to shoot him; he happened to be in the same building. He was a normal politican who happened to be the first person to admit his bedroom secrets in public.

What's more, Milk was a sexual predator. He sought out runaway young adults and offered them a place to stay in exchange for wanton sex and two-man orgies whenever he asked for them. Then, once they turned thirty or so, he dumped them on the streets. When out and about, he paraded the latest man he was exploiting around to rub his sexual preferences in other people's faces. His most famous exploit, and also his only non-adult victim, is Jack McKinley, who was a runaway Milk took in, offering him food and shelter in exchange for sex on-demand.

[Kannap]

In a sort of related topic that links back
Did anyone have to do a report on a black person in history in school? And what did you think about it, as I’d support doing the same thing with lgbt people

No, why would one has to do that? That just sounds dumbly racist to me, tbh.
Then again, Europe in general is way less race-focused than the US are so maybe it's just a cultural thing.

Researching a historical figure to learn more about them then presenting your findings to the class sounds "dumbly racist"?

[Karu Nadu]

I will not be the one which purges this sick brainwashers of the world but i am tired of being shocked by their attempts to brainwash young people be sure if someone exterminates all your brainwashers degeneracy i will watch him/her/... while eating popcorns instead of defending you. I normally respect the sexual desires and acts of other people without saying nothing, but when you instruct the children in your sex variety you go for the limit
When you start brainwashing the childs to follow your degeneracy called free sex values we have a problem, we had tosuffer brainwashing of sects, ideologies, churches which only wanted power instead of improving the humanity and now this...

At your level of impurity you are no more worth than savage animals for the average right wing person , of course you can live as you want having sex bla, bla... but never expect real tolerance for the right wing conservative people we can and will continue smiling to you and saying is fine we respect.... We can say we tolerate you in the real world but you must know we will never do in our internal feelings, of course we the right wing excepting the brainless radicals will never say this hidden disrespect in public much less when in minority we are not brainless, we will wait until your degeneracy generates problems and you start to force us to adopt your ''sex identities''.
I do not hate you i only see souls mixing and spirit degeneration in your practice.

Dude, nobody istrying to force LGBT+ onto anyone else, just like nobody is trying to force being black onto anyone else by teaching people about the Civil rights movement, or like how nobody is trying to convert kids to Islam by teaching them about Muhammad.

[Valrifell]

No, why would one has to do that? That just sounds dumbly racist to me, tbh.
Then again, Europe in general is way less race-focused than the US are so maybe it's just a cultural thing.

Researching a historical figure to learn more about them then presenting your findings to the class sounds "dumbly racist"?

Only if they're not white.

[Kannap]

You're doing a report on someone not because of what he did but because of his skin color.

How do you know?

MLK, random black man.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Alan Turing is a hero, not because he was openly gay, but because he helped win the war. However, that he was openly gay and prosecuted for that, and not exonerated until after his death, is often excluded in tellings of his life. All these reports would do is give children the full story, and a more rounded picture of people who were pretty great already.

Yes, Alan Turing was a war hero and is likely singlehandedly responsible for placing the D-Day invasion in a strategic area that we could have won against. For that, nothing but applause should be given regardless of his sex life.

However, the man committed a crime and got a just punishment. Alan Turing could have been celibate and gone down in history as the greatest computing mastermind in history, with no baggage. I do not, and should not, pity him for lacking the discipline to control his body.

[The New California Republic]

Harvey Milk contributed nothing to history. NOTHING. He is completely undeserving of the idolization he receives and the fact that the LGB Lobby adores him reveals some of their underlying rot. The terrorists/assassins who shot him, IIRC, were not there to shoot him; he happened to be in the same building. He was a normal politican who happened to be the first person to admit his bedroom secrets in public.

This just demonstrates how little you actually know about Harvey Milk; so no, you don't recall correctly at all.

What's more, Milk was a sexual predator. He sought out runaway young adults and offered them a place to stay in exchange for wanton sex and two-man orgies whenever he asked for them. Then, once they turned thirty or so, he dumped them on the streets. When out and about, he paraded the latest man he was exploiting around to rub his sexual preferences in other people's faces. His most famous exploit, and also his only non-adult victim, is Jack McKinley, who was a runaway Milk took in, offering him food and shelter in exchange for sex on-demand.

Source for that. And I don't put much stock in it, considering you don't know the story of how he died.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Alan Turing is a hero, not because he was openly gay, but because he helped win the war. However, that he was openly gay and prosecuted for that, and not exonerated until after his death, is often excluded in tellings of his life. All these reports would do is give children the full story, and a more rounded picture of people who were pretty great already.

Yes, Alan Turing was a war hero and is likely singlehandedly responsible for placing the D-Day invasion in a strategic area that we could have won against. For that, nothing but applause should be given regardless of his sex life.

However, the man committed a crime and got a just punishment. Alan Turing could have been celibate and gone down in history as the greatest computing mastermind in history, with no baggage. I do not, and should not, pity him for lacking the discipline to control his body.

Yeah how dare he go and physically convey his emotions to another person