The term identity politics does have meaning. Pretending that you don't know what he is trying to convey or that it has no meaning doesn't help your argument.
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by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:33 am
by Vassenor » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:34 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:37 am
Vassenor wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:The term identity politics does have meaning. Pretending that you don't know what he is trying to convey or that it has no meaning doesn't help your argument.
So how does "expecting people to think a certain way because of who they are" relate to what was said?
by Vassenor » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:41 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:01 am
by Bun Queen » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:05 am
by Kannap » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:13 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Vassenor wrote:
It's what "identity politics" means. So how does that meaning, as you pointed out the existence of, relate to what he was trying to convey?
1. This is the definition I use: "a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics."
This has everything to do with what he was trying to convey, as identity politics probably had a hand in adding LGBTQ studies into the curriculum. The main problem with that is that people can go overboard when it comes to ID politics. This has happened before with the privilege checking nonsense, and allies who are fanatically dedicated to the cause to the point of self-parody, and declaring non-bigoted things as bigoted. As a result, most forms of ID politics don't belong in our schools. Teach the LGBTQ history, sure, but tone down the ID politics as much of it is nonsense.
Example of ID politics being taken too far:
https://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-k-8 ... rn-racist/
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by Ifreann » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:17 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:21 am
Ifreann wrote:Unithonia wrote:If that's already the standard for the American education system, then y'all don't need to screw it up even more by focusing on identity politics. Sure, teach it. But don't make it a class. Otherwise, my ass is back off to Ireland for college.
Bad idea, we're really not a more conservative country than America.
by Ifreann » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:21 am
by Ifreann » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:27 am
by Ethel mermania » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:36 am
Hediacrana wrote:Kannap wrote:Nah, as always Christians get a free pass on continuing to be bigots.
Not from me. As a trans Christian, it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when that happens and goes unchallenged.
In NSG, it seems to be something like a natural law that, when LGBTQ+ rights are discussed, the probability of some self-professed Christian hiding behind "because my religion tells me so" to defend LGBTQ+ oppression approaches One really soon; and that more often than not, this happens without any apparent awareness that many LGBTQ+ people of faith exist (including on this forum), that lots of LGBTQ+ affirming denominations and congregations exist, or that queer theology has been around for decades already.
In my view, following Jesus does not commit one to sexist, homophobic or transphobic prejudice; rather, it commits one to do good, to seek justice, and to correct oppression. In the case of the NJ idea, I'd say that means considering how learning about LGBTQ+ rights might make life better for LGBTQ+ students, whose school life all too often is short and miserable precisely because the kind of prejudice that some, but far from all, Christians defend with an appeal to religion.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:51 am
Kannap wrote:The problem with the this kind of media isn't that they make stuff up, it's that they spin things to an insanely ridiculous level. Any nuance is lost as the potential problems are exaggerated and actual intent downplayed. A history class is either glorification of imperialism and genocide or teaching kids to hate themselves and America depending on how the author wants to write it.
by Vassenor » Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:59 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Kannap wrote:The problem with the this kind of media isn't that they make stuff up, it's that they spin things to an insanely ridiculous level. Any nuance is lost as the potential problems are exaggerated and actual intent downplayed. A history class is either glorification of imperialism and genocide or teaching kids to hate themselves and America depending on how the author wants to write it.
You're right. Here's a far superior example from a far superior source of ID politics taken too far.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/edu ... 73695c7814
by Ifreann » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:07 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Kannap wrote:The problem with the this kind of media isn't that they make stuff up, it's that they spin things to an insanely ridiculous level. Any nuance is lost as the potential problems are exaggerated and actual intent downplayed. A history class is either glorification of imperialism and genocide or teaching kids to hate themselves and America depending on how the author wants to write it.
You're right. Here's a far superior example from a far superior source of ID politics taken too far.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/edu ... 73695c7814
by Kannap » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:12 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Kannap wrote:The problem with the this kind of media isn't that they make stuff up, it's that they spin things to an insanely ridiculous level. Any nuance is lost as the potential problems are exaggerated and actual intent downplayed. A history class is either glorification of imperialism and genocide or teaching kids to hate themselves and America depending on how the author wants to write it.
You're right. Here's a far superior example from a far superior source of ID politics taken too far.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/edu ... 73695c7814
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by LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:14 am
Vassenor wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You're right. Here's a far superior example from a far superior source of ID politics taken too far.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/edu ... 73695c7814
So because of these two single examples we should gloss over the marginalisation of the LGBT community in schools?
by Saiwania » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:30 am
by Kavagrad » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:34 am
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So because of these two single examples we should gloss over the marginalisation of the LGBT community in schools?
I never said that we should gloss over it. I'm simply stating that you shouldn't go overboard and make blanket statements that everyone or almost everyone is a bigot, or that anyone who disagrees with a certain political ideology is bigoted by definition.
by Vassenor » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:34 am
Saiwania wrote:This isn't real history in my opinion. There is no need to elevate LGBT as being anything special. So their rights to be "different from the norm" weren't always respected by society, a lot of people to this day are going to think "big deal" about that. A lot of people in the present, still object to LGBT being out of the closet.
by Valrifell » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:36 am
Saiwania wrote:This isn't real history in my opinion. There is no need to elevate LGBT as being anything special. So their rights to be "different from the norm" weren't always respected by society, a lot of people to this day are going to think "big deal" about that. A lot of people in the present, still object to LGBT being out of the closet.
by Blueflarst » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:36 am
by Kavagrad » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:36 am
Saiwania wrote:This isn't real history in my opinion. There is no need to elevate LGBT as being anything special. So their rights to be "different from the norm" weren't always respected by society, a lot of people to this day are going to think "big deal" about that. A lot of people in the present, still object to LGBT being out of the closet.
by Vassenor » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:38 am
Blueflarst wrote:I will not be the one which purges this sick brainwashers of the world but i am tired of being shocked by their attempts to brainwash young people be sure if someone exterminates all your brainwashers degeneracy i will watch him/her/... while eating popcorns instead of defending you. I normally respect the sexual desires and acts of other people without saying nothing, but when you instruct the children in your sex variety you go for the limit
When you start brainwashing the childs to follow your degeneracy called free sex values we have a problem, we had tosuffer brainwashing of sects, ideologies, churches which only wanted power instead of improving the humanity and now this...
At your level of impurity you are no more worth than savage animals for the average right wing person , of course you can live as you want having sex bla, bla... but never expect real tolerance for the right wing conservative people we can and will continue smiling to you and saying is fine we respect.... We can say we tolerate you in the real world but you must know we will never do in our internal feelings, of course we the right wing excepting the brainless radicals will never say this hidden disrespect in public much less when in minority we are not brainless, we will wait until your degeneracy generates problems and you start to force us to adopt your ''sex identities''.
I do not hate you i only see souls mixing and spirit degeneration in your practice.
I do not know who is the dark hand behind your movement but i am sure it wants to experiment with your sexual freedom to see deep you can carry it or to gain something probably demons or an entity which want fun of you. Congratulations you invented a lot of weird sex feelings which noone had like trigender and gender void. You one day without surprising me will invent the mantis sex identity and will start to cut off your companion heads with the teeths and worse identities.
Never forget Stalin, Fidel Castro, Che guevara and many of your 'revolutionary heroes' had a worse opinion in this matter than me. Stalin directly killed you, fidel and the other carried you to concentration camps to be trained in the military to become 'men'. We the conservative people will not do any hurt on you until you start to impose your gender indentities in ourselves after few decades of young brainwashing. Then we will force you to stop or else.
And this is not hate speech is the expression of my lack of empathy or simpathies for the LGTB+ members and my lack of aproval to you.
You are not different in your fake tolerance than the catholic church, the islamist and the soviet propaganda you say you respect all people and are tolerant... yeah right until you become majority or someone in not satified with your belief then you will start to terrorize the ''homofobic'' like the nazism did to all of your colectives or something even most barbaric than them.
Awaiting your reports for supposed hate speech ideological opposition and contrarevolutionary, maybe my opinion on the matter end considered as flaming i want to see the number of reports you will put to censore my opinion
by Kavagrad » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:40 am
Vassenor wrote:Blueflarst wrote:I will not be the one which purges this sick brainwashers of the world but i am tired of being shocked by their attempts to brainwash young people be sure if someone exterminates all your brainwashers degeneracy i will watch him/her/... while eating popcorns instead of defending you. I normally respect the sexual desires and acts of other people without saying nothing, but when you instruct the children in your sex variety you go for the limit
When you start brainwashing the childs to follow your degeneracy called free sex values we have a problem, we had tosuffer brainwashing of sects, ideologies, churches which only wanted power instead of improving the humanity and now this...
At your level of impurity you are no more worth than savage animals for the average right wing person , of course you can live as you want having sex bla, bla... but never expect real tolerance for the right wing conservative people we can and will continue smiling to you and saying is fine we respect.... We can say we tolerate you in the real world but you must know we will never do in our internal feelings, of course we the right wing excepting the brainless radicals will never say this hidden disrespect in public much less when in minority we are not brainless, we will wait until your degeneracy generates problems and you start to force us to adopt your ''sex identities''.
I do not hate you i only see souls mixing and spirit degeneration in your practice.
I do not know who is the dark hand behind your movement but i am sure it wants to experiment with your sexual freedom to see deep you can carry it or to gain something probably demons or an entity which want fun of you. Congratulations you invented a lot of weird sex feelings which noone had like trigender and gender void. You one day without surprising me will invent the mantis sex identity and will start to cut off your companion heads with the teeths and worse identities.
Never forget Stalin, Fidel Castro, Che guevara and many of your 'revolutionary heroes' had a worse opinion in this matter than me. Stalin directly killed you, fidel and the other carried you to concentration camps to be trained in the military to become 'men'. We the conservative people will not do any hurt on you until you start to impose your gender indentities in ourselves after few decades of young brainwashing. Then we will force you to stop or else.
And this is not hate speech is the expression of my lack of empathy or simpathies for the LGTB+ members and my lack of aproval to you.
You are not different in your fake tolerance than the catholic church, the islamist and the soviet propaganda you say you respect all people and are tolerant... yeah right until you become majority or someone in not satified with your belief then you will start to terrorize the ''homofobic'' like the nazism did to all of your colectives or something even most barbaric than them.
Awaiting your reports for supposed hate speech ideological opposition and contrarevolutionary, maybe my opinion on the matter end considered as flaming i want to see the number of reports you will put to censore my opinion
...Well that was a thing. Anyone got a tl;dr?
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