New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Bear Stearns]

How? In employment? Certainly not, that's illegal.

No it isn't.

Are you an American? Discriminating against a protected class in employment in the United States is illegal.

In marriage? Nope, not there.

One of the few places we have caught up on.

What else is there to catch up on? Name a right in the constitution that they don't enjoy unlike everyone else.

By people in their personal lives, maybe so, but are we really going to give a shit about someone's day-to-day interactions?

Like honestly...who cares?

Read my post.

Okay...so your evidence for this is a nationstates thread?

[Bear Stearns]

How? In employment? Certainly not, that's illegal. In marriage? Nope, not there.

By people in their personal lives, maybe so, but are we really going to give a shit about someone's day-to-day interactions?

Like honestly...who cares?

Uh yeah.

LGBT+ rights aren't just about the government passing laws, they're about the "normalization" of LGBT+ within our society.

Why should the people's views of certain sexual behaviors matter?

[The New California Republic]

Serious violence against LGBT people is still a big problem.

Then why not just make countering this part of a general anti-crime initiative?

Education is a long term solution to the problem.

Violence against LGBT people is still minuscule compared to your typical murders and assaults.

Even one person getting punched or verbally abused for being LGBT is too many.

[Karu Nadu]

Uh yeah.

LGBT+ rights aren't just about the government passing laws, they're about the "normalization" of LGBT+ within our society.

Why should the people's views of certain sexual behaviors matter?

Because they say and do stupid shit based off their views.

[Vassenor]

Serious violence against LGBT people is still a big problem.

Then why not just make countering this part of a general anti-crime initiative?

Violence against LGBT people is still minuscule compared to your typical murders and assaults.

#appealtoworseproblems

[Bear Stearns]

Then why not just make countering this part of a general anti-crime initiative?

Education is a long term solution to the problem.

Violence against LGBT people is still minuscule compared to your typical murders and assaults.

Even one person getting punched or verbally abused for being LGBT is too many.

What about just people getting punched or abused for whatever reason?

[Bear Stearns]

Then why not just make countering this part of a general anti-crime initiative?

Violence against LGBT people is still minuscule compared to your typical murders and assaults.

#appealtoworseproblems

They're basically the same problem, but one is carved out for some reason.

[The New California Republic]

Even one person getting punched or verbally abused for being LGBT is too many.

What about just people getting punched or abused for whatever reason?

Also unacceptable.

[Kannap]

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

I'd say it's already over.
Gays have the right to exist, have sex, and marry, what else is there.

The problem is certain third world countries that still have the death penalty for homosexuality.

Far from over, really.

26 states still don't offer protection from workplace discrimination/discriminatory employment practices such as the equivalent protections in the workplace/employment offered based on religion, race, nationality, or gender.

26 states still don't offer protection from housing discrimination ("unfairly evicted, denied housing, or refused the ability to rent or buy housing") such as the equivalent protections afforded on the basis of religion, race, nationality, or gender.

42 states still don't offer protection from discrimination for LGBT people in regards to being able to be involved in fostering children via the foster care system.

33 states still don't offer protection to LGBT students from discrimination by their teachers/administrators/schools. 24 state's anti-bullying laws don't extend to protections against bullying on the basis of the student being LGBT. 7 states have "Don't Say Gay" regulations for their public schools.

36 states still haven't offered protection for LGBT people from discrimination by healthcare insurance providers.

4 states don't recognize hate crimes against LGBT people like they do in regards to religion, color, nationality, gender, etc.

Conversion therapy, basically torture, is still legal in 35 states.

Source

And that's just some of the issues we still are trying to deal with in our civil rights movement, and that's just the United States, and that's not even mentioning the tougher time and less rights transgender people have compared to LGB people.

[Karu Nadu]

#appealtoworseproblems

They're basically the same problem, but one is carved out for some reason.

Yeah, because one is based off a person's sexuality.

[Kannap]

People of the LGBT+ community are still discriminated today, and if you didn't realize that, just from looking through this thread, there is a problem.

How? In employment? Certainly not, that's illegal.

Would surprise you then that in a lot of states - mine own included - people can be fired purely for being LGBT.

[Kannap]

No it isn't.

Are you an American? Discriminating against a protected class in employment in the United States is illegal.

Not for LGBT Americans.

[Bear Stearns]

They're basically the same problem, but one is carved out for some reason.

Yeah, because one is based off a person's sexuality.

But why make the distinction? It's in an inefficient use of resources and time.

Crime is crime.

[Vassenor]

No it isn't.

Are you an American? Discriminating against a protected class in employment in the United States is illegal.

And there is more than one case in the system arguing that LGBT isn't a protected class.

[The New California Republic]

Yeah, because one is based off a person's sexuality.

But why make the distinction? It's in an efficient use of resources and time.

Crime is crime.

Because to address it we need to address the causes, which requires us to distinguish what the reason for the assault/murder is.

[Aglanen]

Bear Stearns This is you right now. https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?t=68

[Neutraligon]

No it isn't.

Are you an American? Discriminating against a protected class in employment in the United States is illegal.

yes I am...and being lgbt is not a protected class.

One of the few places we have caught up on.

What else is there to catch up on? Name a right in the constitution that they don't enjoy unlike everyone else.

I already mentioned some. The constitution is not the be all to end all of law.

Read my post.

Okay...so your evidence for this is a nationstates thread?

[/quote] no, that was me telling you to go back and read my post since I already answered your question there.

[Vassenor]

Bear Stearns This is you right now. https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?t=68

...can we not?

[Saint Indonia]

Bear Stearns This is you right now. https://youtu.be/ZmInkxbvlCs?t=68

...can we not?

i thought it was kinda funny

[Kaystein]

So Christian schools in New Jersey will have to start teaching their students about the political, economic and social contributions of the LGBT community? That's what I'm getting out of the OP's post.

I'll reserve my opinion or judgment until I get more information. It's still not illegal if a teacher of a Christian school were to reference a passage of the Bible before any given history lesson, right? Like Corinthians 6:9-10, for example. Asking out of curiosity.

[Farnhamia]

So Christian schools in New Jersey will have to start teaching their students about the political, economic and social contributions of the LGBT community? That's what I'm getting out of the OP's post.

I'll reserve my opinion or judgment until I get more information. It's still not illegal if a teacher of a Christian school were to reference a passage of the Bible before any given history lesson, right? Like Corinthians 6:9-10, for example. Asking out of curiosity.

Public schools, it's in the second sentence of the article quoted in the OP.

[Kannap]

So Christian schools in New Jersey will have to start teaching their students about the political, economic and social contributions of the LGBT community? That's what I'm getting out of the OP's post.

I'll reserve my opinion or judgment until I get more information. It's still not illegal if a teacher of a Christian school were to reference a passage of the Bible before any given history lesson, right? Like Corinthians 6:9-10, for example. Asking out of curiosity.

Nah, as always Christians get a free pass on continuing to be bigots.

[Kaystein]

Nah, as always Christians get a free pass on continuing to be bigots.

Public schools, it's in the second sentence of the article quoted in the OP.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't read the snippet entirely or just not that particular line.

Reading the part "This legislation comes as the #ExposeChristianSchools hashtag started trending on Twitter. It was introduced shortly after news broke that Karen Pence, wife of Vice President Mike Pence, would be teaching at a Christian school in northern Virginia that lists "homosexual or lesbian sexual activity" as among the disqualifying criteria for prospective employees." my prior impression was New Jersey's legislation was primarily meant to target Christians. If it's mostly aimed at public curriculum though? That's entirely within the state's right to do so.

I'll still reserve my opinion or judgment though. Not really my place to weigh in on this.

[Ifreann]

So a civil rights movement that is still ongoing today and is greatly effected by this past is not important enough to talk about?

How is it still ongoing today? What rights in America to LGBT not have that everyone else has?

No, it's really not.

You must not read the news. Trans people are being kicked out of the military.

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So Christian schools in New Jersey will have to start teaching their students about the political, economic and social contributions of the LGBT community? That's what I'm getting out of the OP's post.

I'll reserve my opinion or judgment until I get more information. It's still not illegal if a teacher of a Christian school were to reference a passage of the Bible before any given history lesson, right? Like Corinthians 6:9-10, for example. Asking out of curiosity.

Nah, as always Christians get a free pass on continuing to be bigots.

It's the American way.

[Hediacrana]

Nah, as always Christians get a free pass on continuing to be bigots.

Not from me. As a trans Christian, it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine when that happens and goes unchallenged.

In NSG, it seems to be something like a natural law that, when LGBTQ+ rights are discussed, the probability of some self-professed Christian hiding behind "because my religion tells me so" to defend LGBTQ+ oppression approaches One really soon; and that more often than not, this happens without any apparent awareness that many LGBTQ+ people of faith exist (including on this forum), that lots of LGBTQ+ affirming denominations and congregations exist, or that queer theology has been around for decades already.

In my view, following Jesus does not commit one to sexist, homophobic or transphobic prejudice; rather, it commits one to do good, to seek justice, and to correct oppression. In the case of the NJ idea, I'd say that means considering how learning about LGBTQ+ rights might make life better for LGBTQ+ students, whose school life all too often is short and miserable precisely because the kind of prejudice that some, but far from all, Christians defend with an appeal to religion.