New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[Neutraligon]

You seem to have misunderstood my sarcastic statement, as well as a grave misunderstanding in what I think.

It appears you aren't good at grasping people retorting to sarcasm with sarcasm.

I had a conservative, heteronormative political agenda attempted to be shoved down my throat when I was a child, was that also wrong?

No, it was quite healthy rather.

No more healthy then teaching a liberal political agenda.

[Aellex]

I mean, apparently they deserve extra special lessons just to talk about them so it appears it's what you must think, yes.

Once again we learn about the civil rights movement of the 60s, why shouldn't we also learn about the one in the 2000s?

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

[Karu Nadu]

Once again we learn about the civil rights movement of the 60s, why shouldn't we also learn about the one in the 2000s?

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

I think that treating Gay people as fellow humans is at a similar level, to the truth.

[Aellex]

I don't understand how it's "the history of those who are importants" tho. Also, I'm sorry but I'm contractually obligated to repeat that Sulla enjoyed taking it in the arse every time he's mentioned.

I mean teaching things like the Stonewall riots. Those are important to history.

Never heard of it nor do I care tbh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The time talking about it would be better spent on the Middle Ages or Renaissance, imho.

[Valrifell]

Once again we learn about the civil rights movement of the 60s, why shouldn't we also learn about the one in the 2000s?

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

I like how you just forgot that homosexuals were essentially forced to hide themselves and, if caught, faced very real discrimination and chemical castration.

See, it's almost if we need a class to teach the extent that the LGBT community were oppressed in most countries.

[Neutraligon]

Once again we learn about the civil rights movement of the 60s, why shouldn't we also learn about the one in the 2000s?

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

You are aware that homosexuals and trans individuals where killed because they where homosexual and trans. That there was a large part of our history where politicians used fear of gays as political points. That homosexual marriage was just one part of the civil rights that trans and homosexuals have been fighting for. That trans individuals can still be treated as lesser than human due to their being trans (they can be fired for being trans, denied housing for being trans, prevented from adopting at certain places for being trans, etc).

[Aellex]

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

I think that treating Gay people as fellow humans is at a similar level, to the truth.

Not recognizing civilly their unions / disapproving of their lifestyle =/= not considering them humans

[Neutraligon]

I mean teaching things like the Stonewall riots. Those are important to history.

Never heard of it nor do I care tbh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The time talking about it would be better spent on the Middle Ages or Renaissance, imho.

And this is why you should not comment on what should be taught in an American history class...you know next to nothing about it.

[Valrifell]

I mean teaching things like the Stonewall riots. Those are important to history.

Never heard of it nor do I care tbh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The time talking about it would be better spent on the Middle Ages or Renaissance, imho.

I don't know why you think you have the authority to even comment on this topic if you're unaware of what Stonewall is.

Jesus Christ dude, educate yourself. This is an American discussion (or did you think we were talking about the channel island and not the state), do your homework. This is some basic stuff that everyone else in the thread was at least familiar with.

[Karu Nadu]

I think that treating Gay people as fellow humans is at a similar level, to the truth.

Not recognizing civilly their unions / disapproving of their lifestyle =/= not considering them humans

Do you think there isn't a dehumanization of people of the LGBT+ community?

[Valrifell]

Not recognizing civilly their unions / disapproving of their lifestyle =/= not considering them humans

Do you think there isn't a dehumanization of people of the LGBT+ community?

I don't think he knows why Alan Turing died young.

[Neutraligon]

I think that treating Gay people as fellow humans is at a similar level, to the truth.

Not recognizing civilly their unions / disapproving of their lifestyle =/= not considering them humans

And once again you show your lack of knowledge about lgbt history in America...shocking.

[Kannap]

You seem to have misunderstood my sarcastic statement, as well as a grave misunderstanding in what I think.

It appears you aren't good at grasping people retorting to sarcasm with sarcasm.

Except your response reads as if you misunderstood what I said.

I had a conservative, heteronormative political agenda attempted to be shoved down my throat when I was a child, was that also wrong?

No, it was quite healthy rather.

Sounds gross, actually. Was gross, actually. Glad it's behind me, life is a lot more wonderful without hateful people, NASCAR, and country music.

[Neutraligon]

Do you think there isn't a dehumanization of people of the LGBT+ community?

I don't think he knows why Alan Turing died young.

Wonder if he heard about the assassination of Harvey Milk.

[Karu Nadu]

Do you think there isn't a dehumanization of people of the LGBT+ community?

I don't think he knows why Alan Turing died young.

He doesn't know of the Stonewall riots, so...

[Valrifell]

I don't think he knows why Alan Turing died young.

Wonder if he heard about the assassination of Harvey Milk.

See, the problem is that Milk was an American. Aellex can't be bothered to learn history that doesn't involve France, which I imagine is why he encourages the teaching of periods of time where the French state was invented and ascendant.

[Kannap]

Once again we learn about the civil rights movement of the 60s, why shouldn't we also learn about the one in the 2000s?

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

Treating a minority as fellow and equal humans instead of second class citizens isn't on the same level as treating a minority as fellow and equal humans instead of second class citizens?

[Kannap]

I think that treating Gay people as fellow humans is at a similar level, to the truth.

Not recognizing civilly their unions / disapproving of their lifestyle =/= not considering them humans

Do you also disapprove of the 'lifestyle' of persons of color because of their choosing to live life with their skin color?

[Aellex]

Never heard of it nor do I care tbh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The time talking about it would be better spent on the Middle Ages or Renaissance, imho.

I don't know why you think you have the authority to even comment on this topic if you're unaware of what Stonewall is.

Jesus Christ dude, educate yourself. This is an American discussion (or did you think we were talking about the channel island and not the state), do your homework. This is some basic stuff that everyone else in the thread was at least familiar with.

"U dOn'T hAvE tHe AuThOrItY!"

M8 pls, I don't need to care about your history, especially not every tiny event specific to your community in particular, to tell you that the shit you're defending is retarded.

[Aellex]

Not recognizing civilly their unions / disapproving of their lifestyle =/= not considering them humans

Do you also disapprove of the 'lifestyle' of persons of color because of their choosing to live life with their skin color?

I mean, no one is forcing you to put it in another man's ass even if you're attracted to them, tho.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

I don't think that treating black people as fellow and equal humans being rather than second class citizens is at nearly the same level as allowing gay marriage but well, maybe we don't have the same priorities.

You are aware that homosexuals and trans individuals where killed because they where homosexual and trans. That there was a large part of our history where politicians used fear of gays as political points. That homosexual marriage was just one part of the civil rights that trans and homosexuals have been fighting for. That trans individuals can still be treated as lesser than human due to their being trans (they can be fired for being trans, denied housing for being trans, prevented from adopting at certain places for being trans, etc).

While I agree with teaching lgbt history as part of history, I have to point out people have been killed for all sorts of things. Sure I don’t think that people have been killed for having chest hair at quite the same rate as trans people do, it’s still a shitty argument. The cultural impetus behind it is largely gone and it’s currently being used as political points.

The gay community did everyone a disservice by not campaigning to remove government recognition of marriage instead.

The only place where anti discrimination laws should apply is government as it’s the only sector that’s there for everyone.

[The Pan-Asian National Coalition]

Interesting. I don't understand, as they have only existed as a group for 30 years.

[Neutraligon]

I don't know why you think you have the authority to even comment on this topic if you're unaware of what Stonewall is.

Jesus Christ dude, educate yourself. This is an American discussion (or did you think we were talking about the channel island and not the state), do your homework. This is some basic stuff that everyone else in the thread was at least familiar with.

"U dOn'T hAvE tHe AuThOrItY!"

M8 pls, I don't need to care about your history, especially not every tiny event specific to your community in particular, to tell you that the shit you're defending is retarded.

If you do not care about American history then why are you commenting in a thread about an American history class? Like it or not thinks like the riots and Milk are a part of American history, just like the civil rights movements. More then that they are a part of our history that is still highly relevant to current events today. And unlike the middle ages...it is actually a part of American history.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Interesting. I don't understand, as they have only existed as a group for 30 years.

Individually, they have existed since the dawn of humanity.

Organized groups only really began rising up in the 60s however.

[Neutraligon]

Do you also disapprove of the 'lifestyle' of persons of color because of their choosing to live life with their skin color?

I mean, no one is forcing you to put it in another man's ass even if you're attracted to them, tho.

Why is it that whenever we talk about homosexuality the response always has to do with anal? I mean not only are homosexuals not the only ones who do anal, but anal is also not the only way homosexuals have sex. I mean seriously.