New Jersey to Teach LGBT History in Schools

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Yes it has. There are leaders, marches, speeches the whole shabang. That you're unaware is a point for the program

That’s like saying that the civil rights movement started ages before it did. I’m talking about the big one in the near future. I doubt there are many time travelers here and teaching people the future seems like a bad idea.

[The South Falls]

We can do basic arithmetic, Trump1 just has bad memes.

Well looking at the PISA scores your basic arithmetic is obviously too basic.

I'm not sure curriculum changes will help.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Was a requirement where I grew up.

Now that's why y'all know how to cook and pay taxes.

How the fuck do I do my taxes?

[Azdov Mobius]

We teach the 1960s Civil Rights movement in our history classes, why not this?

Because the LGBT civil rights movement hasn’t come yet.

i would suggest you google the stonewall riots, or act-up.[/quote]

I'd say it's already over.
Gays have the right to exist, have sex, and marry, what else is there.

The problem is certain third world countries that still have the death penalty for homosexuality.

[Azdov Mobius]

Yes it has. There are leaders, marches, speeches the whole shabang. That you're unaware is a point for the program

That’s like saying that the civil rights movement started ages before it did. I’m talking about the big one in the near future. I doubt there are many time travelers here and teaching people the future seems like a bad idea.

What future civil rights movement? I'm pretty sure we've gotten everyone.

[The South Falls]

Now that's why y'all know how to cook and pay taxes.

How the fuck do I do my taxes?

So you haven't been given the enlightened scrolls yet.

You see, when a mommy 1040 and a daddy 1099 love each other veeeerrryyy muuucccchhhh

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

So because you can do math means everyone can?

US education standards vary wildly between state and even districts, it's completely unfair to say that we're all educated like the third world, particularly when there's a world class university system to be had.

I suppose that you’re correct; the public schools in my area, however, are rather underwhelming. However, the private school I attend is top notch and rather rigorous, a pleasant surprise given the generally economically stagnant/depressed nature of the Coal Region. Meanwhile there are public schools in wealthier areas of the state (i.e. Not the Coal Region) that are actually rather high-quality.

[Trumptonium1]

Well looking at the PISA scores your basic arithmetic is obviously too basic.

I'm not sure curriculum changes will help.

I'm not sure doing nothing - let alone starting to teach LGBT history - helps America's gigantic lag behind the western world in education.

Fine, love or hate America's healthcare system, the US has perfect outcomes going for it. Some of the highest cancer survival rates on the planet, better surgical survivability than the Nordics .. okay.

The same is absolutely not true of the education system. Outside of tertiary education, US education is wank.

[The South Falls]

I'm not sure curriculum changes will help.

I'm not sure doing nothing - let alone starting to teach LGBT history - helps America's gigantic lag behind the western world in education.

Fine, love or hate America's healthcare system, the US has perfect outcomes going for it. Some of the highest cancer survival rates on the planet, better surgical survivability than the Nordics .. okay.

The same is absolutely not true of the education system. Outside of tertiary education, US education is wank.

That is true.

Though I think reverting our entire education system to one akin to Finland might alleviate the problem.

[Farnhamia]

I'm not sure doing nothing - let alone starting to teach LGBT history - helps America's gigantic lag behind the western world in education.

Fine, love or hate America's healthcare system, the US has perfect outcomes going for it. Some of the highest cancer survival rates on the planet, better surgical survivability than the Nordics .. okay.

The same is absolutely not true of the education system. Outside of tertiary education, US education is wank.

That is true.

Though I think reverting our entire education system to one akin to Finland might alleviate the problem.

Just to butt in a little, the US education system is decentralized to an extent not really seen anywhere else in the world. The federal government does not run it and in a great many aspects, the state governments do not, either. It is run and funded on the county and municipal level. So how are you going to "revert our entire education system to one akin to Finland"? And perhaps if you described the brilliant Finnish system you're touting, people might have a better idea what you mean. Then again, the US educational system (which doesn't even really exist) isn't the topic.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

We teach the 1960s Civil Rights movement in our history classes, why not this?
Because the LGBT civil rights movement hasn’t come yet.

I wake up to see some rainbow march going on somewhere nearly once every week or so

They're about as common as school shootings; meaning they aren't.

The Civil Rights Movement was a very specific period in American history marked by large-scale demonstrations across the country in an attempt to secure equals rights for the single largest minority in the country (at the time). It was highly organized and had a lasting impact on the average American and American society to such a degree that the affects can still be felt to this very day.

There is no movement the LGBT can claim ownership to which bares any similarity to the sheer weight, influence, and importance of the Civil Right Movement in American History. Covering all LGBT History in America would just give us another "Black History Month"; another pointless division in the teaching of American History.

if you were to prepare a course of american history of the 20th century, its a continuation of the civil rights movement, the womens rights movement, and the counter culture, and how these have changed american culture.

Yes, but the LGBT hasn't changed American culture to even a remotely similar degree as those other nation-wide movements have. LGBT are simply too small of a minority to impact American society to such a degree so as to warrant so much as a subsection of a period of history.

The Civil Rights Movement was a very specific period in American history marked by large-scale demonstrations across the country in an attempt to secure equals rights for the single largest minority in the country (at the time). It was highly organized and had a lasting impact on the average American and American society to such a degree that the affects can still be felt to this very day.

There is no movement the LGBT can claim ownership to which bares any similarity to the sheer weight, influence, and importance of the Civil Right Movement in American History. Covering all LGBT History in America would just give us another "Black History Month"; another pointless division in the teaching of American History.

I mean, this doesn't have to be a massive unit. This can be a small addition to what is taught, with one or two questions on any sort of standardized test. It's a smaller movement, but it still saw people fight for their rights as relating to their sexual orientations.

But why? How has the LGBT impacted America?

[Aureumterra]

Yes it has. There are leaders, marches, speeches the whole shabang. That you're unaware is a point for the program

That’s like saying that the civil rights movement started ages before it did. I’m talking about the big one in the near future. I doubt there are many time travelers here and teaching people the future seems like a bad idea.

I doubt something like that will happen, because Blacks in the US were legally segregated, but LGBT people have the same rights as any other citizen.

[Valrifell]

That’s like saying that the civil rights movement started ages before it did. I’m talking about the big one in the near future. I doubt there are many time travelers here and teaching people the future seems like a bad idea.

I doubt something like that will happen, because Blacks in the US were legally segregated, but LGBT people have the same rights as any other citizen.

Well, now. Mostly.

[Ethel mermania]

I wake up to see some rainbow march going on somewhere nearly once every week or so

They're about as common as school shootings; meaning they aren't.

if you were to prepare a course of american history of the 20th century, its a continuation of the civil rights movement, the womens rights movement, and the counter culture, and how these have changed american culture.

Yes, but the LGBT hasn't changed American culture to even a remotely similar degree as those other nation-wide movements have. LGBT are simply too small of a minority to impact American society to such a degree so as to warrant so much as a subsection of a period of history.

I mean, this doesn't have to be a massive unit. This can be a small addition to what is taught, with one or two questions on any sort of standardized test. It's a smaller movement, but it still saw people fight for their rights as relating to their sexual orientations.

But why? How has the LGBT impacted America?

you dont watch much television or broadway theatre do you?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

They're about as common as school shootings; meaning they aren't.



Yes, but the LGBT hasn't changed American culture to even a remotely similar degree as those other nation-wide movements have. LGBT are simply too small of a minority to impact American society to such a degree so as to warrant so much as a subsection of a period of history.



But why? How has the LGBT impacted America?

you dont watch much television or broadway theatre do you?

Homosexuality has always been in the media. Try again.

[Ethel mermania]

That’s like saying that the civil rights movement started ages before it did. I’m talking about the big one in the near future. I doubt there are many time travelers here and teaching people the future seems like a bad idea.

I doubt something like that will happen, because Blacks in the US were legally segregated, but LGBT people have the same rights as any other citizen.

that is not correct. discrimination based on sexual orientation is not illegal in the united states, though the courts are working on it as fast as they can, it is still not law. in 1961 sodomy was against the law in all states, i think except Illinois, and that was used almost exclusively against gay men.

[Ethel mermania]

you dont watch much television or broadway theatre do you?

Homosexuality has always been in the media. Try again.

so the media does not impact the country?

[Hakons]

It depends on what they mean by "LGBT History." Indiana's required U.S. History course covers the sexual 'revolution,' including the fight for LGBT rights. Indiana's required U.S. Government and Politics course includes study on the legal cases that struck down sodomy laws and of course the 2015 decision that struck down traditional marriage laws. Somehow, Indiana teaches history without feeling the need the slap an identity in front of it. Of course, the New Jersey Governor may be looking to score some cheap media points.

[Ifreann]

Be gay. Do crime history.

[Valrifell]

It depends on what they mean by "LGBT History." Indiana's required U.S. History course covers the sexual 'revolution,' including the fight for LGBT rights. Indiana's required U.S. Government and Politics course includes study on the legal cases that struck down sodomy laws and of course the 2015 decision that struck down traditional marriage laws. Somehow, Indiana teaches history without feeling the need the slap an identity in front of it. Of course, the New Jersey Governor may be looking to score some cheap media points.

Telling students court cases is useless memorizations without the context - or "identity" as you inelegantly put it - and not worth learning other than for standardized tests.

[The Two Jerseys]

It depends on what they mean by "LGBT History." Indiana's required U.S. History course covers the sexual 'revolution,' including the fight for LGBT rights. Indiana's required U.S. Government and Politics course includes study on the legal cases that struck down sodomy laws and of course the 2015 decision that struck down traditional marriage laws. Somehow, Indiana teaches history without feeling the need the slap an identity in front of it. Of course, the New Jersey Governor may be looking to score some cheap media points.

It's Phil Murphy, all he does is try to score cheap points.

[Valrifell]

It depends on what they mean by "LGBT History." Indiana's required U.S. History course covers the sexual 'revolution,' including the fight for LGBT rights. Indiana's required U.S. Government and Politics course includes study on the legal cases that struck down sodomy laws and of course the 2015 decision that struck down traditional marriage laws. Somehow, Indiana teaches history without feeling the need the slap an identity in front of it. Of course, the New Jersey Governor may be looking to score some cheap media points.

It's Phil Murphy, all he does is try to score cheap points.

He's brought up far less frequently than Christie.

[Miharr]

this is amazing more states should do this

[Hakons]

It depends on what they mean by "LGBT History." Indiana's required U.S. History course covers the sexual 'revolution,' including the fight for LGBT rights. Indiana's required U.S. Government and Politics course includes study on the legal cases that struck down sodomy laws and of course the 2015 decision that struck down traditional marriage laws. Somehow, Indiana teaches history without feeling the need the slap an identity in front of it. Of course, the New Jersey Governor may be looking to score some cheap media points.

Telling students court cases is useless memorizations without the context - or "identity" as you inelegantly put it - and not worth learning other than for standardized tests.

There's nothing wrong with studying court cases. It helps you know why our laws are what they are right now. "We don't need to study court cases" is certainly a hot take that no gov teacher is going to buy. When we study court cases, of course we go over their context. Once again, we do cover LGBT events in our history and gov classes, but we do so in a sequential, historical matter. We don't single-out LGBT events and dump them together. In fact, that would be a good example of tearing away the context. In history class we learn history, not 'LGBT History,' 'White History,' or 'Female History.'

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

>>Be gay.
>>Do crime history.

I don’t understand what you’re getting at, but I fixed the formatting.