Ideal for a New Leftist Movement

[Communal concils]

You literally just described most of the core tenets of fascism

Still I'm not a fascist. Maybe you should ask my opinion on various issues.

[Upper Secundus]

You literally just described most of the core tenets of fascism

Still I'm not a fascist. Maybe you should ask my opinion on various issues.

Do you support the supremacy of Rock and Roll?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Stop complaining. This isn't the 1960s, and I'm sorry if you get butthurt by people kindly telling you to stop saying slurs in casual conversation. Tell me, fellow human being, have you ever been insulted due to something relating to your body or anything of the like before? If you have, then you know what those people who complain feel...and they feel that every day. They try to put up with it, but after all, why not just tell them to stop? You have been tricked by the right, my friend. The only people who truly do the things which are 'feminazi' or 'SJW' are just people kindly telling you to stop insulting them. In fact, the right does this doles more than the left. Make a joke about any right-winger beloved by people in your country (something quite insulting, like turning their corpse into a public urinal or about how if they were replaced by literal dirt, the country would've been better off, yada yada), or something relating to old imperial pasts/soldiers in wars, etc..Basically anything that has national pride attached to it. Then wait. They'll react worse than if you played 10 hours of slurs in front of left-wingers.

You feel better now? Sounded like you really needed to get that off your chest and you were just waiting for someone.

Yes, yes I did. Because every time someone says "FEmInaZiS!" "sjWS!", it gives me an aneurysm. I am sick and tired of people who do that, especially those claiming to be former leftists.

[The South Falls]

Feminazis... and here we go...

You do know you can't just kick out people, right?

I mean, you could...but your legs might be more than a bit sore afterwards. The answer: Never skip leg day.

Well, I'm gonna punchout, so...

You literally just described most of the core tenets of fascism

Still I'm not a fascist. Maybe you should ask my opinion on various issues.

You just described the core tenets of fascism, Cela's saying holds. Do you support this plan or no?

[Communal concils]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Hi, actual socialist here, let me critique this whole mess.

1) Socialism is workers ownership of the means of production, and it's where the state is run by the working class, there is no "transition to communism", communism comes from post-scarcity, which is idealist until we manage to make advancements in production and science globally, the advancements in socialism would lead into communism, theres no need for extensive planning here.
2)Mao talks about the mass line, the party has to directly interact and be connected to the populace to spread class consciousness. What Marx meant by the Dictatorship of the Proletariat was class dictatorship, not one dude calling all the shots. (in capitalism there is a dictatorship of the bourgeois class, so to speak, socialism replaces the DoTB with the DoTP.) Socialism is about spreading the democratic process to the unheard masses, anything else is revisionism and opportunistic lies.
3)We should hope to use the democratic process and peaceful means to achieve socialism, but history has taught us that when democratic socialist movements become popularized, reactionary politics are popularized too, (see Franco, Pinochet, etc.) That's when violence becomes absolutely necessary.
4) I don't see why different nations shouldn't be able to choose there own alternatives to capitalism
5) NO, WORKERS COMPLETE RELIANCE ON WELFARE IS NOT LIBERATION IT IS SLAVERY, welfare is a tool used by capitalists to maintain capitalism, its a temporary solution to the permanent issue of poverty in capitalism. Democratic workplace participation is always the way to go.
6) I agree slightly with you here, but it shouldn't be the left's main focus.
7) there's absolutely no reason to violate someones freedom to practice their religion. And all leftists should have the goal of the eventual removal of the state and borders.

Everything I believe is suppose to be pragmatic, I support what I think is the most practical. Not the Most Moral, Not the most altruistic, not the best sounding. Only what I think will happen in the material reality of things.

[Communal concils]

Still I'm not a fascist. Maybe you should ask my opinion on various issues.

Do you support the supremacy of Rock and Roll?

It's okay.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Hi, actual socialist here, let me critique this whole mess.

1) Socialism is workers ownership of the means of production, and it's where the state is run by the working class, there is no "transition to communism", communism comes from post-scarcity, which is idealist until we manage to make advancements in production and science globally, the advancements in socialism would lead into communism, theres no need for extensive planning here.
2)Mao talks about the mass line, the party has to directly interact and be connected to the populace to spread class consciousness. What Marx meant by the Dictatorship of the Proletariat was class dictatorship, not one dude calling all the shots. (in capitalism there is a dictatorship of the bourgeois class, so to speak, socialism replaces the DoTB with the DoTP.) Socialism is about spreading the democratic process to the unheard masses, anything else is revisionism and opportunistic lies.
3)We should hope to use the democratic process and peaceful means to achieve socialism, but history has taught us that when democratic socialist movements become popularized, reactionary politics are popularized too, (see Franco, Pinochet, etc.) That's when violence becomes absolutely necessary.
4) I don't see why different nations shouldn't be able to choose there own alternatives to capitalism
5) NO, WORKERS COMPLETE RELIANCE ON WELFARE IS NOT LIBERATION IT IS SLAVERY, welfare is a tool used by capitalists to maintain capitalism, its a temporary solution to the permanent issue of poverty in capitalism. Democratic workplace participation is always the way to go.
6) I agree slightly with you here, but it shouldn't be the left's main focus.
7) there's absolutely no reason to violate someones freedom to practice their religion. And all leftists should have the goal of the eventual removal of the state and borders.

Everything I believe is suppose to be pragmatic, I support what I think is the most practical. Not the Most Moral, Not the most altruistic, not the best sounding. Only what I think will happen in the material reality of things.

So you're telling me that you think that you're being pragmatic whilst making abstract statements with no link to the physical world? Do you realise the irony here?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

This sounds like typical authoritarian communism, nothing special.

I disagree.

It's Chinalike Socialism, which to me comes off more Fascist.

Communist governments end up somewhat resembling fascist ones anyway. This is just it without the veneer.

[Karu Nadu]

You literally just described most of the core tenets of fascism

Still I'm not a fascist. Maybe you should ask my opinion on various issues.

Should there be a common enemy to focus the popular hate against?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

So...Fascism.

Not quite. His proposed economics are clearly Socialist in nature, and he proposes Secularism - which is incompatible with the inherently "Spiritual" nature of Fascism.

What he advocates is a more Nationalistic and Conservative form of State Socialism.

This sounds like typical authoritarian communism, nothing special.

I disagree.

It's Chinalike Socialism, which to me comes off more Fascist.

China practices State Capitalism, which is entirely different.

[Ada Empire]

I disagree.

It's Chinalike Socialism, which to me comes off more Fascist.

Communist governments end up somewhat resembling fascist ones anyway. This is just it without the veneer.

fascism is the purging of all races except one, it's the maintenance of patriarchal relations and purging of all the state deems "degenerates" (homosexuals, trans folks, disabled people, etc. ) Its marked by corporatism and anti-communism.

Socialism is workers ownership of the M.o.P. and workers democracy, big difference dude

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Still I'm not a fascist. Maybe you should ask my opinion on various issues.

Should there be a common enemy to focus the popular hate against?

Every ideology does that; it's not unique to Fascism.

[Karu Nadu]

Should there be a common enemy to focus the popular hate against?

Every ideology does that; it's not unique to Fascism.

Most egalitarian ideologies try to stray away form that.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

fascism is the purging of all races except one, it's the maintenance of patriarchal relations and purging of all the state deems "degenerates" (homosexuals, trans folks, disabled people, etc. )

That's not even close to being true. You've confused Fascism for National Socialism.

[Communal concils]

Everything I believe is suppose to be pragmatic, I support what I think is the most practical. Not the Most Moral, Not the most altruistic, not the best sounding. Only what I think will happen in the material reality of things.

So you're telling me that you think that you're being pragmatic whilst making abstract statements with no link to the physical world? Do you realise the irony here?

I did said"what I think is Pragmatic".How do I know if your beliefs could be practiced in the real world.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Every ideology does that; it's not unique to Fascism.

Most egalitarian ideologies try to stray away form that.

Yeah, because it's not like Reds foam at the mouth in the very presence of the rich.

[Ada Empire]

fascism is the purging of all races except one, it's the maintenance of patriarchal relations and purging of all the state deems "degenerates" (homosexuals, trans folks, disabled people, etc. )

That's not even close to being true. You've confused Fascism for National Socialism.

so,,, Mussolini didn't do those things? There isn't a practical or tangible difference between Nazism and Fascism

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I disagree.

It's Chinalike Socialism, which to me comes off more Fascist.

Communist governments end up somewhat resembling fascist ones anyway. This is just it without the veneer.

Not really. They usually end up being worse.

[Eglaecia]

This is stupid.

"2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power."
THAT ISN'T POPULISM???????????? This is the same mindset wealthy liberals have, total disdain for the working class you want to support you.

So...Fascism.

You've said that like 4 times but it really isn't. It's just totalitarianism. Sure it's similar to fascism, but also similar to nearly every other form of authoritarian socialism.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Looks like complete Nazbol to me but with a "new movement" face. Literally identical to Gregor Strasser but without all that Jewhating bullshit. At the very least, this sounds like nothing more than a thinly veiled imitation of Ingsoc and a attempt to impose fascism with a red face. Sorry, not interested.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Communist governments end up somewhat resembling fascist ones anyway. This is just it without the veneer.

fascism is the purging of all races except one, it's the maintenance of patriarchal relations and purging of all the state deems "degenerates" (homosexuals, trans folks, disabled people, etc. ) Its marked by corporatism and anti-communism.

Socialism is workers ownership of the M.o.P. and workers democracy, big difference dude

Stalin was anti-Semitic and wanted to purge Jewish Doctors, so I would count that as trying to subjugate a race. Many policies of repression in the Soviet Union also resembled those conducted by the Nazis. Just because Nazism and Communism are antithetical on paper does not mean they are not similar in practice. Just because they weren't as racist doesn't change that.

[The South Falls]

That's not even close to being true. You've confused Fascism for National Socialism.

so,,, Mussolini didn't do those things? There isn't a practical or tangible difference between Nazism and Fascism

Nazism generally kills those it does not approve of politically. Nazism is racial fascism.

[East Germanic Countries]

So... Strasserism without antisemitism.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

That's not even close to being true. You've confused Fascism for National Socialism.

so,,, Mussolini didn't do those things? There isn't a practical or tangible difference between Nazism and Fascism

Not all of them, and yes there is.

Nazism is Racialist; Fascism is Nationalist. There is a very important distinction between the two.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

Most egalitarian ideologies try to stray away form that.

Yeah, because it's not like Reds foam at the mouth in the very presence of the rich.

To be perfectly fair Trollzyn, many corrupt officials from ultra-orthodox marxist parties did steal from the state budget and have bought themselves haciendas and other forms of glass elephants in a erroneous show of decadence (See Stalin's luxurious dacha or Yanukovych's villa for more information), so while they may claim to disdain wealth publically, the unscrupulous ones always show their true face in the end. Luckily my corruption levels are low, despite me being a communist nation. Maybe it is because I opted for Demsocism and direct democracy instead of authoritarianism?