Ideal for a New Leftist Movement

[Thermodolia]

To focus on your nation is progressive, because you can't do anything without addressing domestic issue's. Why must a socialist constantly focus on world revolution when it should try to protect it's self. This is the reason why Neo-Conservatives and Neo-liberals need to be controlled, and that is because they kill people for the sake of protecting a vague "Democracy". Not only that, but they can't even solve immigration issue's or anything like that. America "first" conservatives are hypocrites, they only listen to what their rich adopted father says. Trump is this "father", yet he has solved nothing domestically.

Sounds like you're advocating 'Socialism in One Country'.

Hate to break it to you mate, but that isn't a new leftist movement idea. It was Stalin's whole deal.

It also sounds a lot like Juche too

[Infected Mushroom]

one of my main concerns for this New Leftist Movement though is what will happen to League of Legends?

can we still have parties to play this game online even in the new socialist state?

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

one of my main concerns for this New Leftist Movement though is what will happen to League of Legends?

can we still have parties to play this game online even in the new socialist state?

I think any dictatorship oligarchy or whatever would ban it just because you asked such a stupid and useless question. We’re thinking big ideas, not video games.

[Communal concils]

I don't deny that. nearly everyone seeks the total destruction of different opinions. An anarchist oppresses Statist, he or she destroys the state against the will of the statist. A militant atheist believes in the destruction of religion(which wouldn't be peaceful).The conservative seeks to destroy the liberal, and the reactionary does not want anything new to exist.A socialist wants to destroy capitalism, but that's against the will of capitalist. A police has a right to kill, he can't always solve everything with an arrest.

The Tectonic Order wanted to convert Pagans to Christianity, but that was through the will to destroy the infidel. A pacifist wants to destroy violence, a revolution wants to obliterate the old order. Rights and freedoms seek to destroy certain injustices. All people with minds have Dogma.

Well then, I'm not "nearly everyone", as I support a society in which different ideas can have discourse peacefully without any violence or bloodshed... which happens to be the society of the western world. I agree that sometimes I wish that some people would just shut up about their idiotic ideas, but I wouldn't want to purge them. A policeman has a right to kill people who are either a) threatening his life or b) threatening the lives of others - that has nothing to do with what their political opinions are.

Bloodshed base on politics always happen with the west. The United States is an example of this "peaceful society without bloodshed". The West colonized other nations, the west allowed racism to flourish. The West only embraced Liberalism for a while, and the west is slowly killing it's self. It's death is slow, but unlike the reactionaries view,it's a good thing. Western society isn't the answer to the world's problem, the west kills the world. It feeds on it's own, and barbarism with a smile. Every reform is held back, every policy ruined. Every petty ideal respected, every claim allowed. If this is freedom, then it's primitive. It's moronic and regressive.If you really beleive in Democracy,then a dictactor voted with the support of the majority is the ultimate acceptance of the peole's will.

[Infected Mushroom]

one of my main concerns for this New Leftist Movement though is what will happen to League of Legends?

can we still have parties to play this game online even in the new socialist state?

I think any dictatorship oligarchy or whatever would ban it just because you asked such a stupid and useless question. We’re thinking big ideas, not video games.

but video games are a big part of my life

and if the New Leftist Movement don't like them, I may have to rethink my allegiances you know?

[Communal concils]

one of my main concerns for this New Leftist Movement though is what will happen to League of Legends?

can we still have parties to play this game online even in the new socialist state?

Nothing will happen to that game.

[Infected Mushroom]

one of my main concerns for this New Leftist Movement though is what will happen to League of Legends?

can we still have parties to play this game online even in the new socialist state?

Nothing will happen to that game.

so it can still be played? =)

[Communal concils]

You accidentally quoted NCR instead of the OP.

What if I were implying that NCR wanted to ban themself?

Caesar's Legion is better. Though Caesar needs to be stab several times.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

so it can still be played? =)

Everyone else: this is like literally Italian Fascism, Strasserism, National Bolshevism, and/or Juche
You: I can play video games!

[The New Teutonic Order]

Well then, I'm not "nearly everyone", as I support a society in which different ideas can have discourse peacefully without any violence or bloodshed... which happens to be the society of the western world. I agree that sometimes I wish that some people would just shut up about their idiotic ideas, but I wouldn't want to purge them. A policeman has a right to kill people who are either a) threatening his life or b) threatening the lives of others - that has nothing to do with what their political opinions are.

Bloodshed base on politics always happen with the west. The United States is an example of this "peaceful society without bloodshed". The West colonized other nations, the west allowed racism to flourish. The West only embraced Liberalism for a while, and the west is slowly killing it's self. It's death is slow, but unlike the reactionaries view,it's a good thing. Western society isn't the answer to the world's problem, the west kills the world. It feeds on it's own, and barbarism with a smile. Every reform is held back, every policy ruined. Every petty ideal respected, every claim allowed. If this is freedom, then it's primitive. It's moronic and regressive.If you really beleive in Democracy,then a dictactor voted with the support of the majority is the ultimate acceptance of the peole's will.

1. "Bloodshed based on politics" hasn't happened in "The West" since the Cold War at most, and it hasn't happened in the US since 1865. There are some riots, but they're far from any actual revolt.

2. In fact, the west has cracked down on racism SIGNIFICANTLY.

3. There is no proof that the west is "slowly killing itself". Right now, it is the dominant region in the world, and nations that want to become powerful (like China and India) embrace Western traditions, and that shows no signs of stopping.

4. With what you believe, I'm glad that what you think of as "reforms" are held back.

5. You are correct. Every petty ideal is respected, and every claim is allowed. It's called free speech.

6. If you manage to win a presidential election in the West, then we can talk about implementing your system. But apparently most people are too uneducated to have a say in politics, so the will of the people must not be that important.

[Thermodolia]

so it can still be played? =)

Everyone else: this is like literally Italian Fascism, Strasserism, National Bolshevism, and/or Juche
You: I can play video games!

Also public reminder that IM said they’d love to run around shooting people

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Everyone else: this is like literally Italian Fascism, Strasserism, National Bolshevism, and/or Juche
You: I can play video games!

Also public reminder that IM said they’d love to run around shooting people

He’s whack, so is this really surprising?

[Infected Mushroom]

so it can still be played? =)

Everyone else: this is like literally Italian Fascism, Strasserism, National Bolshevism, and/or Juche
You: I can play video games!

I’m less concerned about big abstract ideas

I’m more into how this will directly impact me on the things that really matter to me

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I’m less concerned about big abstract ideas

I’m more into how this will directly impact me on the things that really matter to me

Human rights and the lives of others don’t care about your feelings

[Communal concils]

Bloodshed base on politics always happen with the west. The United States is an example of this "peaceful society without bloodshed". The West colonized other nations, the west allowed racism to flourish. The West only embraced Liberalism for a while, and the west is slowly killing it's self. It's death is slow, but unlike the reactionaries view,it's a good thing. Western society isn't the answer to the world's problem, the west kills the world. It feeds on it's own, and barbarism with a smile. Every reform is held back, every policy ruined. Every petty ideal respected, every claim allowed. If this is freedom, then it's primitive. It's moronic and regressive.If you really beleive in Democracy,then a dictactor voted with the support of the majority is the ultimate acceptance of the peole's will.

1. "Bloodshed based on politics" hasn't happened in "The West" since the Cold War at most, and it hasn't happened in the US since 1865. There are some riots, but they're far from any actual revolt.

2. In fact, the west has cracked down on racism SIGNIFICANTLY.

3. There is no proof that the west is "slowly killing itself". Right now, it is the dominant region in the world, and nations that want to become powerful (like China and India) embrace Western traditions, and that shows no signs of stopping.

4. With what you believe, I'm glad that what you think of as "reforms" are held back.

5. You are correct. Every petty ideal is respected, and every claim is allowed. It's called free speech.

6. If you manage to win a presidential election in the West, then we can talk about implementing your system. But apparently most people are too uneducated to have a say in politics, so the will of the people must not be that important.

1.Bloodshed happened in the united states long after the civil war. The Civil rights movement was filled with violence and spilled blood. United states as a republic allowed for it to happen for a while.

2.Racism is rising again. Far-right movements are increasing, and places like Sweden are examples of this.
3.The constant military interventions have made a majority of the world hate it. along with that, many European nations depend on America for military support. In terms for China, it is not holding western traditions. There in no liberal democracy, and the country has it's own values. India is a nation with so much poverty. It has the caste system, and India has not done well as China.

4.Revolution is sometimes the best option instead of reform.


5.Free speech allowed for antivaxxers, The Flat-Earthers, and the conspiracy theory of the "Great Replacement".



6.People will vote for things that sound good, and that's their mistake.This can be used as a way of gaining power,then reform can happen.Rapid reform will really happen.

[Communal concils]

I’m less concerned about big abstract ideas

I’m more into how this will directly impact me on the things that really matter to me

Human rights and the lives of others don’t care about your feelings

Human rights and lives are suppose to care about your feelings. Isn't that the point of a "Free" Democracy.

[Communal concils]

Nothing will happen to that game.

so it can still be played? =)

Yes!

[Doing it Rightland]

1.Bloodshed happened in the united states long after the civil war. The Civil rights movement was filled with violence and spilled blood. United states as a republic allowed for it to happen for a while.

Yeah, there's violence in the west when there's major social changes. However, the western world is not renowned for coups and civil wars. Non-western countries are usually the ones which suffer political based violence. Also, do you really think you're gonna get your agenda anywhere without violence?

2.Racism is rising again. Far-right movements are increasing, and places like Sweden are examples of this.

Xenophobia is on the rise, yes. People are scared that immigrants are going to take their jobs and opportunities, and as a result, they behave in bad ways. HOWEVER, AT LEAST IN TODAY'S WESTERN WORLD, WE DO NOT SYSTEMATICALLY IMPRISON ETHNIC MINORITIES IN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS. If you're wondering what I'm talking about, please google the Uyghurs in China.

3.The constant military interventions have made a majority of the world hate it. along with that, many European nations depend on America for military support. In terms for China, it is not holding western traditions. There in no liberal democracy, and the country has it's own values. India is a nation with so much poverty. It has the caste system, and India has not done well as China.

The parts of the world that are being intervened in, yeah. That's how war works. Also, China has absolutely adopted western ideals. That's how they've grown to the strength they have.

4.Revolution is sometimes the best option instead of reform.

Not if you want stability and order, which you have made clear is your goal.

5.Free speech allowed for antivaxxers, The Flat-Earthers, and the conspiracy theory of the "Great Replacement".

The solution is education. You don't force the masses into doing your bidding, you give them the tools where they see the truth for what it is. Yeah, all three of those groups are stupid. They deny facts. The solution isn't to enslave them, but rather educate them.

6.People will vote for things that sound good, and that's their mistake.This can be used as a way of gaining power,then reform can happen.Rapid reform will really happen.

So your critique of the west is your key to power? Sounds a bit hypocritical, not to mention the fact that your ideas don't sound good.

[Communal concils]

1.Bloodshed happened in the united states long after the civil war. The Civil rights movement was filled with violence and spilled blood. United states as a republic allowed for it to happen for a while.

Yeah, there's violence in the west when there's major social changes. However, the western world is not renowned for coups and civil wars. Non-western countries are usually the ones which suffer political based violence. Also, do you really think you're gonna get your agenda anywhere without violence?

2.Racism is rising again. Far-right movements are increasing, and places like Sweden are examples of this.

Xenophobia is on the rise, yes. People are scared that immigrants are going to take their jobs and opportunities, and as a result, they behave in bad ways. HOWEVER, AT LEAST IN TODAY'S WESTERN WORLD, WE DO NOT SYSTEMATICALLY IMPRISON ETHNIC MINORITIES IN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS. If you're wondering what I'm talking about, please google the Uyghurs in China.

3.The constant military interventions have made a majority of the world hate it. along with that, many European nations depend on America for military support. In terms for China, it is not holding western traditions. There in no liberal democracy, and the country has it's own values. India is a nation with so much poverty. It has the caste system, and India has not done well as China.

The parts of the world that are being intervened in, yeah. That's how war works. Also, China has absolutely adopted western ideals. That's how they've grown to the strength they have.

4.Revolution is sometimes the best option instead of reform.

Not if you want stability and order, which you have made clear is your goal.

5.Free speech allowed for antivaxxers, The Flat-Earthers, and the conspiracy theory of the "Great Replacement".

The solution is education. You don't force the masses into doing your bidding, you give them the tools where they see the truth for what it is. Yeah, all three of those groups are stupid. They deny facts. The solution isn't to enslave them, but rather educate them.

6.People will vote for things that sound good, and that's their mistake.This can be used as a way of gaining power,then reform can happen.Rapid reform will really happen.

So your critique of the west is your key to power? Sounds a bit hypocritical, not to mention the fact that your ideas don't sound good.

1.Violence is useful in going against possible threats. Democracy as a government form is already dead, no one really lives in a system of popular vote. The representative republics of today are ment to be a competion of how can retain the most control.

2.The West may not actually attack the rights of it's minor ethnic groups, but it does fail to end it. he united states doesn't educate it's African-American population. Europe however caused it's own issues. If they didn't support the constant bombing of many middle eastern nations, then their wouldn't be a migrant crisis this large.

3.War that western Governments do are foolish. War is to retain what you already have. It's purpose is used incorrectly. Globalist and neo-liberal companies feed of the people's work. Such companies have a monopoly on weapons and pay politicians for support. I'm not a supporter of the current Chinese Government, but there system is truly "Chinese characteristics". It's market monopoly, it's production is just an adaption to it's own gains. These are not western, china is only doing what any other country would do economically.

4.Consolidation is a way of gaining power. If you can unite the people, then you have made Order and stability. Order as in control, stability as in the new order is established correctly.


5.I do believe in education. Though they are already enslaved. They are enslaved by their own minds. Some of them can't even be swayed by opinion. Even when shoved in their face, they will still reject reality. Why must a try to look so benevolent with uneducated people like them.

6.It doesn't sound good to you. You are not the majority of society. Majority of people would support it, only the mentioning the certain words make them not want it. I'm not a hypocrite in this regard, but I think that democracy would kill it's self. If What I suppose doesn't get in power, then something of real danger would.

[Infected Mushroom]

so it can still be played? =)

Yes!

Good

Then on the whole I think I can stand behind this

This whole private sector economy thing is awful

[Infected Mushroom]

I’m less concerned about big abstract ideas

I’m more into how this will directly impact me on the things that really matter to me

Human rights and the lives of others don’t care about your feelings

Human rights is just words to me

[Byzconia]

Lmao that's hilarious. Either way, Hoover's FBI were 100% a secret police force. Dude was basically a dictator.

Okay, I guess we can completely ignore FDR then.

I know nothing about FDR's FBI, other than they spied on Fascists and Communists.

[Byzconia]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Hi, Trotsky. Took you that long to recover from the ice pick, eh?
Jokes aside, this doesn't seem very practical as a means of supporting the working class. Any ideology that bases its decisions on the basic idea that the people don't know what's good for them is doomed to become an authoritarian dictatorship that serves nobody but the people in power.

I don't really get the references to Trotsky people keep making. He'd be opposed to both points 2 and 7 (at least). Comparison to Stalinism is much more apt.

[Doing it Rightland]

I don't really get the references to Trotsky people keep making. He'd be opposed to both points 2 and 7 (at least). Comparison to Stalinism is much more apt.

I think the reference is that, given his wildly unpopular views, many would like to see an icepick in his skull.

1.Violence is useful in going against possible threats. Democracy as a government form is already dead, no one really lives in a system of popular vote. The representative republics of today are ment to be a competion of how can retain the most control.

Yes, democracy is dead, and that's why its only used in MOST OF THE WORLD. (Come on, dude)

2.The West may not actually attack the rights of it's minor ethnic groups, but it does fail to end it. he united states doesn't educate it's African-American population. Europe however caused it's own issues. If they didn't support the constant bombing of many middle eastern nations, then their wouldn't be a migrant crisis this large.

Yes, instead we would have a full fledged caliphate trying to wage eternal war against our society. I don't fully condone the actions of the US in the middle east, but I'd much prefer them to be fighting radical anti-democratic insurgents that pose a threat to the political stability of the world than not. And please, don't just tell me the US doesn't educate its African American population. The whole education system (especially when race is included) is an entirely different and incredibly complicated situation. If you'd like to get into it, we can.

3.War that western Governments do are foolish. War is to retain what you already have. It's purpose is used incorrectly. Globalist and neo-liberal companies feed of the people's work. Such companies have a monopoly on weapons and pay politicians for support. I'm not a supporter of the current Chinese Government, but there system is truly "Chinese characteristics". It's market monopoly, it's production is just an adaption to it's own gains. These are not western, china is only doing what any other country would do economically.

You just went in so many different directions here I don't even know where to begin to respond. Could you expand on the many points here, so that I can make a functional analysis?

4.Consolidation is a way of gaining power. If you can unite the people, then you have made Order and stability. Order as in control, stability as in the new order is established correctly.

Yes, consolidation works great and all until you've got to put a gun to the head of most people to do it. Revolutions are inherently divisive. Reforms are the way to go.

5.I do believe in education. Though they are already enslaved. They are enslaved by their own minds. Some of them can't even be swayed by opinion. Even when shoved in their face, they will still reject reality. Why must a try to look so benevolent with uneducated people like them.

Because, educated or not, they're still human beings. The moment when you arbitrarily decide who ought to be treated benevolently and who ought not to be is a dangerous moment, as it's far too easy to slip into discrimination, oppression, and worse.

6.It doesn't sound good to you. You are not the majority of society. Majority of people would support it, only the mentioning the certain words make them not want it. I'm not a hypocrite in this regard, but I think that democracy would kill it's self. If What I suppose doesn't get in power, then something of real danger would.

Yes, the "majority" supports a full blown socialist militant uprising. (dude, listen to yourself). It doesn't matter whether you remove the words "socialist" or not; people do not like autocracy. And democracy isn't going to kill itself anytime soon. Your plans, on the other hand, would put a bullet in the brain of the west in no time. And finally, not every non-militant-socialist out there is dangerous. If you don't get your way, there isn't automatically going to be some terrible situation.

[Byzconia]

1.Violence is useful in going against possible threats. Democracy as a government form is already dead, no one really lives in a system of popular vote. The representative republics of today are ment to be a competion of how can retain the most control.

2.The West may not actually attack the rights of it's minor ethnic groups, but it does fail to end it. he united states doesn't educate it's African-American population. Europe however caused it's own issues. If they didn't support the constant bombing of many middle eastern nations, then their wouldn't be a migrant crisis this large.

3.War that western Governments do are foolish. War is to retain what you already have. It's purpose is used incorrectly. Globalist and neo-liberal companies feed of the people's work. Such companies have a monopoly on weapons and pay politicians for support. I'm not a supporter of the current Chinese Government, but there system is truly "Chinese characteristics". It's market monopoly, it's production is just an adaption to it's own gains. These are not western, china is only doing what any other country would do economically.

4.Consolidation is a way of gaining power. If you can unite the people, then you have made Order and stability. Order as in control, stability as in the new order is established correctly.


5.I do believe in education. Though they are already enslaved. They are enslaved by their own minds. Some of them can't even be swayed by opinion. Even when shoved in their face, they will still reject reality. Why must a try to look so benevolent with uneducated people like them.

6.It doesn't sound good to you. You are not the majority of society. Majority of people would support it, only the mentioning the certain words make them not want it. I'm not a hypocrite in this regard, but I think that democracy would kill it's self. If What I suppose doesn't get in power, then something of real danger would.

1. While democratic systems are indeed being put to the test right now, this has happened before (see: World War II and the Cold War). Spoiler: democracy won. No one claims that elected representative governments are perfect, they're just a helluva lot better than any other.

2. This is a legitimate critique of the West. However, the solution is hardly left-wing fascism. It's much better to be a black person in America than it is to be a Chechnyan in Russia, for example. Democracies, overall, are better for minorities because there are at least theoretical protections against discrimination.

3. Again, there are some legitimate critiques of the West in here, but I fail to see your point (if you have one). You bash "neoliberal companies," but essentially say that it's okay for China to do literally the same things.

4. This is the exact same argument that has been used by every dictator ever in order to justify their power. It's just as bullshit now as it's ever been. Restricting people's rights and freedoms doesn't improve "law and order" or "security," it just causes resentment and turns the country into a powder-keg.

5. What is this word salad?

6. A majority of what people? Regardless, I'd like to see some data on that, please.