Ideal for a New Leftist Movement

[The New Teutonic Order]

If we're bringing back old arguments for the OP to respond to, then I guess I better do it with mine.

1. Isn't all society governed by thought crime, it's called morality. If you think in a certain way, then people will think of it as a ethical crime. America has been a nation of contradictions for so long.The founding fathers said that "all Men are created equal". However, slavery was still legal(until 1865).The civil Rights Movement didn't destroyed institutionalize racism until 1969.Though out the cold war, there was the Red Scare. Red squads attacked trade unions. The Vietnam war also showed how "freedom is to the government "Men were drafted and sent to a foreign land that they didn't understand. Even worse, the South Vietnamese Government was a Presidential Dictatorship. So no one was getting the "freedom of the west" in that place.

2.Sweden is not the most "Leftist" nation in the world. That title belongs to Cuba. Unlike Sweden, that country changed the old order and replaced It with a New one. Racism is a complex thing, it will not magically fade away. The Immigration issue has increased Xenophobia and Racism universally across all Industrialize and develop nations.

3.The world has a growing hatred for the united states, the republic is in debt, and it is suffering from a Job shortage. The demands for unlimited immigration from the libertarians and liberals of all forms may seem benevolent, but in reality it is bring the poor in a trap of debt and rent. Military intervention across the world affect the country, The military budget could be used to solve all of these domestic issues. Also China does not care for any ideological ideals, it only cares about power. This Chinese capitalism is full of "Chinese characteristics".Indian Government is still corrupt regardless of the systems it's compared to. It's Government is bad at enforcing policies.

4.My propose that my ideology allows for gaining power in many ways. Reform and Revolution are not always desirable, because their can be other ways. Sometimes, these are the best.


5.Regradless if people think that the flat Earth theories are true, then this would allow for people to embrace even more foolish conspiracy theories.


6.Have you ever thought of the Weimar Republic, or the resent boom in similar movements in Europe. What about Euromaidan, Neo-Nazism is flourishing in Western Ukraine. If democracy is Good, then it will only be good when people are restricted of bad concepts. Singapore is an example of this. There will be many people that agree with you, but there will be many that support what I have stated as my thoughts. Their are many political parties with beliefs similar to mine.

1. The main part of morality is what you do, not what you think. And I am not saying that democracies don't do bad things sometimes. I'm just saying that they give the most freedom to people, while your system would kill everyone who doesn't agree with your position (btw, I've seen no-one on this thread completely agree with you, so that means that all of us would be executed under your system, or sent to the gulag or something).

2. Cuba is a dictatorship that restricts peoples' freedoms. Sweden is a democracy that allows peoples' freedoms, and is much more tolerant than any other nation, which is why they're getting some backlash.

3. I wouldn't say that the world has a growing hatred for the US. They might be growing more distant from America under Trump, but that doesn't correlate to hatred. The only people who truly hate America are those that hate freedom (Iran, North Korea, ect.)

4. In most cases, reform is good, and revolution is bad.

5. Yes, but these "foolish conspiracy theories" that don't promote any kind of hatred (i.e. Flat Earth, belief in aliens, ect.) aren't harmful to anyone. I, for one, believe that intellegent life exists somewhere in the universe other than Earth. However, I am not hurting others with that belief.

6. With the exception of the Weimar Republic, which was extremely flawed as a democracy, none of these movements have "taken over" democratic countries. However, a key part of democracies is allowing the freedom of opposition groups to speak their minds (freedom of speech). Also, you say that many parties espouse your values, yet you deny that your values are similar to any one group. I challenge you to name one group, or even one person, who agrees with you on all of the important aspects of your philosophy.

[Communal concils]

1. Isn't all society governed by thought crime, it's called morality. If you think in a certain way, then people will think of it as a ethical crime. America has been a nation of contradictions for so long.The founding fathers said that "all Men are created equal". However, slavery was still legal(until 1865).The civil Rights Movement didn't destroyed institutionalize racism until 1969.Though out the cold war, there was the Red Scare. Red squads attacked trade unions. The Vietnam war also showed how "freedom is to the government "Men were drafted and sent to a foreign land that they didn't understand. Even worse, the South Vietnamese Government was a Presidential Dictatorship. So no one was getting the "freedom of the west" in that place.

2.Sweden is not the most "Leftist" nation in the world. That title belongs to Cuba. Unlike Sweden, that country changed the old order and replaced It with a New one. Racism is a complex thing, it will not magically fade away. The Immigration issue has increased Xenophobia and Racism universally across all Industrialize and develop nations.

3.The world has a growing hatred for the united states, the republic is in debt, and it is suffering from a Job shortage. The demands for unlimited immigration from the libertarians and liberals of all forms may seem benevolent, but in reality it is bring the poor in a trap of debt and rent. Military intervention across the world affect the country, The military budget could be used to solve all of these domestic issues. Also China does not care for any ideological ideals, it only cares about power. This Chinese capitalism is full of "Chinese characteristics".Indian Government is still corrupt regardless of the systems it's compared to. It's Government is bad at enforcing policies.

4.My propose that my ideology allows for gaining power in many ways. Reform and Revolution are not always desirable, because their can be other ways. Sometimes, these are the best.


5.Regradless if people think that the flat Earth theories are true, then this would allow for people to embrace even more foolish conspiracy theories.


6.Have you ever thought of the Weimar Republic, or the resent boom in similar movements in Europe. What about Euromaidan, Neo-Nazism is flourishing in Western Ukraine. If democracy is Good, then it will only be good when people are restricted of bad concepts. Singapore is an example of this. There will be many people that agree with you, but there will be many that support what I have stated as my thoughts. Their are many political parties with beliefs similar to mine.

1. The main part of morality is what you do, not what you think. And I am not saying that democracies don't do bad things sometimes. I'm just saying that they give the most freedom to people, while your system would kill everyone who doesn't agree with your position (btw, I've seen no-one on this thread completely agree with you, so that means that all of us would be executed under your system, or sent to the gulag or something).

2. Cuba is a dictatorship that restricts peoples' freedoms. Sweden is a democracy that allows peoples' freedoms, and is much more tolerant than any other nation, which is why they're getting some backlash.

3. I wouldn't say that the world has a growing hatred for the US. They might be growing more distant from America under Trump, but that doesn't correlate to hatred. The only people who truly hate America are those that hate freedom (Iran, North Korea, ect.)

4. In most cases, reform is good, and revolution is bad.

5. Yes, but these "foolish conspiracy theories" that don't promote any kind of hatred (i.e. Flat Earth, belief in aliens, ect.) aren't harmful to anyone. I, for one, believe that intellegent life exists somewhere in the universe other than Earth. However, I am not hurting others with that belief.

6. With the exception of the Weimar Republic, which was extremely flawed as a democracy, none of these movements have "taken over" democratic countries. However, a key part of democracies is allowing the freedom of opposition groups to speak their minds (freedom of speech). Also, you say that many parties espouse your values, yet you deny that your values are similar to any one group. I challenge you to name one group, or even one person, who agrees with you on all of the important aspects of your philosophy.

1.Morality is what you think. Right and Wrong are opinions. There are cultures that reject the ideal of "freedom". There are also many types of "Moral" systems, which all suppose a way of thinking. Democracy does not equal Freedom. If a nation seeks free and "fair elections" then that becomes the gate way for contradictions(electing those that would abolish the system it's self.Jair Bolsonaro,President of Brazil is an example).Democracy would become the everything it criticize, which has show repeatedly to kill it's self with those elected by popular support. I don't believe in purges against all opinions that aren't mine. I rather unite with those with slight differences than deny "allies".

2.Cuba is a country opening up to the world. It is freeing it's self of historical issues. They already have a nice educational and medical system. I bet that such diplomatic reforms would make it better. Sweden is Not getting hated because "It's Progressive", but rather that it has not solved the immigration issue. If they can integrate Migrants, find ways of limiting racism and solving the high prices, then It's alright. However Sweden has not done this.

3.I would say that The world is being more negative about the United States. Non-Gulf states in the middle east are suffering from Neo-Conservative policies. The intervention in their Governments have made corrupt systems that try to look like western "Democracies". Syria is a secular Nation, it's population was protected under a Orderly Government. That's until the Civil wars, but Syria was better before the Civil War for obvious reasons. The World does not hate America because of "Freedom".


4.Revolution is still useful at times. Historically, Monarchies that Didn't step down deserved to be overthrown. many of them did not cared for the peasants, and all the resources went up to the foolish Aristocrats. Why would any average citizen think that a long transitionary stage is worth all the effort?

5.So Anti-Vaxxers are not Harmful? So the conspiracies that think Pizza Companies were for sexual abuse were Harmless? So The "Great Replacement " Conspiracy is Okay as long as it doesn't sprout "Hate".

6.I didn't deny that My Ideals were similar to one group, but it was different enough to be it's own thing. I could agree with Marxist Leninist on Many thing, I could agree with many Left-Wing Populist on several issues. If we were to go talk about Ideology that has tenants similar to mine, then Blanquism is an example. They believe in a group of individuals should educate the masses, and that a temporary Literal "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" should be created. They claim that Democracy would be restored after people were educated. Their Ideals were developed way before the Soviet Union. I recommend that you look up Left-wing populism on Wikipedia(I said that only so you could see a list of political Parties).

[Ors Might]

OP, you "forgot" to respond to this. I'd like an answer, especially to the latter.

1.Ofcourse they can participate in reproductive sex.Though,I don't expect most to really seek that.


2.A secret Police would be to typical.The best thing is for the citizens themselves to report any behavior descourage by the new society.Children,spouse, your neighbor will all be involve in trying to scout any activities(including illegal sexual activities).Prositution groups would just be shut down by regular law enforcement.Even the partners themselves could expose the behaviors of their mates.

If I were suddenly living under your proposed system, why the fuck would I be the bitchest of snitches and rat someone out for sleeping with someone and getting a little bit extra for it? What would be my incentive as someone who finds that sort of narkery disgusting?

[Karu Nadu]

OP, you "forgot" to respond to this. I'd like an answer, especially to the latter.

1.Ofcourse they can participate in reproductive sex.Though,I don't expect most to really seek that.


2.A secret Police would be to typical.The best thing is for the citizens themselves to report any behavior descourage by the new society.Children,spouse, your neighbor will all be involve in trying to scout any activities(including illegal sexual activities).Prositution groups would just be shut down by regular law enforcement.Even the partners themselves could expose the behaviors of their mates.

Sounds kinda dictatorial.

[Communal concils]

1.Ofcourse they can participate in reproductive sex.Though,I don't expect most to really seek that.


2.A secret Police would be to typical.The best thing is for the citizens themselves to report any behavior descourage by the new society.Children,spouse, your neighbor will all be involve in trying to scout any activities(including illegal sexual activities).Prositution groups would just be shut down by regular law enforcement.Even the partners themselves could expose the behaviors of their mates.

Sounds kinda dictatorial.

I wouldn't believe in a traditional dictatorship, but a complex system of rules and Organizing.

[Communal concils]

1.Ofcourse they can participate in reproductive sex.Though,I don't expect most to really seek that.


2.A secret Police would be to typical.The best thing is for the citizens themselves to report any behavior descourage by the new society.Children,spouse, your neighbor will all be involve in trying to scout any activities(including illegal sexual activities).Prositution groups would just be shut down by regular law enforcement.Even the partners themselves could expose the behaviors of their mates.

If I were suddenly living under your proposed system, why the fuck would I be the bitchest of snitches and rat someone out for sleeping with someone and getting a little bit extra for it? What would be my incentive as someone who finds that sort of narkery disgusting?

The Incentive is to root out Pedophillia and harmful sexual activities.However, a reported Individual wouldn't immediantly go to jail(or be executed).There would be a court to handle the situation, and the persecuted would not be punished until proven gulity.

[Kubra]

Man if stalin was communism for folks too lazy to study marx OP you're being stalinism for people too lazy to study stalin
I mean idk how you intend to sell us on this sort of thing

[Communal concils]

Man if stalin was communism for folks too lazy to study marx OP you're being stalinism for people too lazy to study stalin
I mean idk how you intend to sell us on this sort of thing

People make promises all the time ,and there are those that seek this.Marxist-Leninism(an ideology of stalin helped created) made a promise to the people, and people followed.That is one of manythings that allow various ideologies to seize power.Though, these promises must appeal to the Masses.

[Ors Might]

If I were suddenly living under your proposed system, why the fuck would I be the bitchest of snitches and rat someone out for sleeping with someone and getting a little bit extra for it? What would be my incentive as someone who finds that sort of narkery disgusting?

The Incentive is to root out Pedophillia and harmful sexual activities.However, a reported Individual wouldn't immediantly go to jail(or be executed).There would be a court to handle the situation, and the persecuted would not be punished until proven gulity.

There’s a difference between pedophillia and some harmless bdsm fun.

[Kubra]

Man if stalin was communism for folks too lazy to study marx OP you're being stalinism for people too lazy to study stalin
I mean idk how you intend to sell us on this sort of thing

People make promises all the time ,and there are those that seek this.Marxist-Leninism(an ideology of stalin helped created) made a promise to the people, and people followed.That is one of manythings that allow various ideologies to seize power.Though, these promises must appeal to the Masses.

Does this appeal to the masses

[Communal concils]

The Incentive is to root out Pedophillia and harmful sexual activities.However, a reported Individual wouldn't immediantly go to jail(or be executed).There would be a court to handle the situation, and the persecuted would not be punished until proven gulity.

There’s a difference between pedophillia and some harmless bdsm fun.

I'm sure such activities increase the chance of Herpes and other sexual transmitted infections.

[Kowani]

There’s a difference between pedophillia and some harmless bdsm fun.

I'm sure such activities increase the chance of Herpes and other sexual transmitted infections.

Source needed for that claim, mate.

[Kubra]

There’s a difference between pedophillia and some harmless bdsm fun.

I'm sure such activities increase the chance of Herpes and other sexual transmitted infections.

It's statistically likely that you have herpes, bro.

[Communal concils]

People make promises all the time ,and there are those that seek this.Marxist-Leninism(an ideology of stalin helped created) made a promise to the people, and people followed.That is one of manythings that allow various ideologies to seize power.Though, these promises must appeal to the Masses.

Does this appeal to the masses

In some countries, Many cultures have restrictions on sexuality .So I wouldn't imagine them complaining. It is possible that people will sacrifice somethings for others. Economic plans can easily appeal to those in poor conditions.

[Communal concils]

I'm sure such activities increase the chance of Herpes and other sexual transmitted infections.

It's statistically likely that you have herpes, bro.

Insults are not going to help your arguement.

[Kubra]

It's statistically likely that you have herpes, bro.

Insults are not going to help your arguement.

No, as in you legitimately have a statistically good chance of having herpes.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-shee ... plex-virus
67% of people under 50 have it.

[Kubra]

Does this appeal to the masses

In some countries, Many cultures have restrictions on sexuality .So I wouldn't imagine them complaining. It is possible that people will sacrifice somethings for others. Economic plans can easily appeal to those in poor conditions.

As you might imagine, they're not exactly bastions of left wing thought. I can't help but wonder if there is perhaps a reason.

[Communal concils]

In some countries, Many cultures have restrictions on sexuality .So I wouldn't imagine them complaining. It is possible that people will sacrifice somethings for others. Economic plans can easily appeal to those in poor conditions.

As you might imagine, they're not exactly bastions of left wing thought. I can't help but wonder if there is perhaps a reason.

Left-Wing Thought is very significant in third World Nations, and still is Today. Most Revolutions base around socialism had not happened in Western nations, but rather in the poorest nations.

[Kubra]

As you might imagine, they're not exactly bastions of left wing thought. I can't help but wonder if there is perhaps a reason.

Left-Wing Thought is very significant in third World Nations, and still is Today. Most Revolutions base around socialism had not happened in Western nations, but rather in the poorest nations.

What, like, all third world nations? And they all hate the gays?
Like buddy, this is as reductive as reductive gets. Which third world nations do you suppose will be bastions of socialism with communal concils characteristics?

[Kowani]

As you might imagine, they're not exactly bastions of left wing thought. I can't help but wonder if there is perhaps a reason.

Left-Wing Thought is very significant in third World Nations, and still is Today. Most Revolutions base around socialism had not happened in Western nations, but rather in the poorest nations.

And remind me, how did that work out?

[Communal concils]

Left-Wing Thought is very significant in third World Nations, and still is Today. Most Revolutions base around socialism had not happened in Western nations, but rather in the poorest nations.

What, like, all third world nations? And they all hate the gays?
Like buddy, this is as reductive as reductive gets. Which third world nations do you suppose will be bastions of socialism with communal concils characteristics?

I wouldn't say that a single Nation would be a Bastion of the ideals I support, but I'll say all across Africa, Asia and south America. It's a thing that would be better off being spread globally.Countires like India do have insurgencies of such groups.

[Communal concils]

Left-Wing Thought is very significant in third World Nations, and still is Today. Most Revolutions base around socialism had not happened in Western nations, but rather in the poorest nations.

And remind me, how did that work out?

Most of these Regimes did had a focus on increasing literacy and focusing on production. I'll say that Afghanistan is an example of one of these regimes. The Government had a focus on education it's citizens and was extremely Secular. The Urbanize area's didn't really have the traditional features of their culture(mostly because the ideology rejects that),as a result things like Hijabs were not required for women. Eventually that was reversed by the Taliban.

[Kubra]

What, like, all third world nations? And they all hate the gays?
Like buddy, this is as reductive as reductive gets. Which third world nations do you suppose will be bastions of socialism with communal concils characteristics?

I wouldn't say that a single Nation would be a Bastion of the ideals I support, but I'll say all across Africa, Asia and south America. It's a thing that would be better off being spread globally.Countires like India do have insurgencies of such groups.

Oh, so just "the third world" in its entirety?
You know the CPI(M) ran an election platform involving the decriminalisation of homosexuality, yeah?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

1. I thought that was the whole point of Communism.

2. Wait, so do you wanna be populist or do you wanna be elitist? Not to mention that what you're suggesting sounds completely undemocratic and dictatorial.

3. No, you're thinking of ends justify the means, and demonstrating why it's such an awful philosophy. If the party gained power over the graves of nearly everyone in the nation, it would not be worth it to any sane person, no matter how dedicated to "the party" they were.

4. Hey, if sectarianism separates better Socialists from you, I'm all for it.

5. I thought worker control over the economy was the desire of Socialism. At any rate, completely disagree.

6. What do drugs and prostitution have to do with consumer culture? Capitalism didn't invent vices, and vices shouldn't be banned.

7. What kind of secularism?

All in all, you don't sound much like an average Socialist, you sound like a right-wing libertarian's boogeyman of a Socialist, that is, just plain authoritarian.

[The Shrailleeni Empire]

Ah good, just what the Left needs. Another new movement.