Ideal for a New Leftist Movement

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

When you accidentally lay out many of the principles of a Fascist state

[Askietic]

3.libertarianism allows all types of authoritarians to speak and live life, to deny them a right would make you one of them. The Freedom of anarchist and all limited governments would actually be too disorganize against those with planned leadership. Since Strong leadership demands complete obedience, the Libertarians can't compete against those that they hate.

one of my main concerns for this New Leftist Movement though is what will happen to League of Legends

Human rights is just words to me

[The Liberated Territories]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Okay, I'll bite.

1. A socialist state sounds about as tyrannical as a capitalist state. Could we try no state?

2. Wow this is a lot of patronizing bullshit. I don't see how a dictatorship could ever do anything but further the interests of capital, even when supposedly under control of the workers.

3. This is even scarier than number 2.

4. "Kill all the leftists who disagree with my brand of leftism."

5. They are not good policies, in fact they are terrible ones that quite often entrench existing capital holders while dividing the wealth between poor countries and rich countries in the case of protectionism. Playing such a game of favoritism is unironically supporting the causes of one group of bourgeois over another, that is essentially what you advocate here.

6. Again, shit policies. There is nothing inherently capitalist about drugs or prostitution, unless you are the drug lord or the pimp getting the government to destroy your competition on your behalf.

7. We have finally found the source of all this pseudo-leftism bullshit people: fascism, in disguise of something else, as fascists usually do in order to try to push their toxic ideology upon people.

[Torrocca]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Okay, I'll bite.

1. A socialist state sounds about as tyrannical as a capitalist state. Could we try no state?

2. Wow this is a lot of patronizing bullshit. I don't see how a dictatorship could ever do anything but further the interests of capital, even when supposedly under control of the workers.

3. This is even scarier than number 2.

4. "Kill all the leftists who disagree with my brand of leftism."

5. They are not good policies, in fact they are terrible ones that quite often entrench existing capital holders while dividing the wealth between poor countries and rich countries in the case of protectionism. Playing such a game of favoritism is unironically supporting the causes of one group of bourgeois over another, that is essentially what you advocate here.

6. Again, shit policies. There is nothing inherently capitalist about drugs or prostitution, unless you are the drug lord or the pimp getting the government to destroy your competition on your behalf.

7. We have finally found the source of all this pseudo-leftism bullshit people: fascism, in disguise of something else, as fascists usually do in order to try to push their toxic ideology upon people.

Holy shit, we're agreeing on something.

[The New California Republic]

It can , prositiution can sometimes go against someone' will.so banning it will prevent the risk of sex slaves disguised as such things

Sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind.

Abuse happens in such jobs

Abuse can happen in any job...

abstaining from activity always helps limit the possibilities

So far you have only offered threadbare reasoning for banning non-reproductive sex, never mind how you think such a thing can ever be enforced.

Yes it's just a feel, one that nature wants. Nature hates every thing that isn't the majority of things

Nature hates homosexuals? What? Nature is suddenly sentient and capable of hating now?

And dismissing homosexuality as "just a feeling" offers no arguments against it whatsoever, and offers no argument as to why homosexuals should be banned from having sex.

The Goons were inspired by the Myth,the myth of a ideal.People will support anything they think is good.Ideals Govern the actions of all political groups.

That doesn't address my argument at all, but alright, whatever.

Overall, your attitude to sexuality is unjustifiable, and banning non-reproductive sex is unenforceable. It is verging on homophobic, because of the way that it targets homosexuals disproportionately to the rest of the population.

[Ardoki]

I have some major criticisms with this idea:

1. Planned economies are not a good choice. Mixed economies are great. You get prosperity and equality.

2. Consumerism and capitalist culture isn't all bad. Nice stuff can be awesome.

3. Populism is bad. It leads to all sorts of crazy things, like Trump, Brexit, etc.

4. Violence is bad. Coups and revolutions are not okay.

5. Progress is good. You shouldn't be tied down to a single ideology. Find out what works, and adapt it. And keep looking for stuff which which works, or would be an improvement, and adapt that. Then just keep going like this. FOREVER!!! As long as you follow this one step plan, eternal universal domination can be yours!

6. Religion is reactionary, nationalism is divisive. Just use progress to unite everyone towards the common goal of... progression.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Human rights is just words to me

You're to lazy to care I guess. But that's America, a large chunk of the population doesn't care either.

[The New California Republic]

Human rights and the lives of others don’t care about your feelings

Human rights is just words to me

I can bet my bottom dollar that if you got shoved in a gulag and abused for years on end then that attitude would soon be beaten or starved out of you.

[Razarija]

everyone needs to go into accelerationist conspiracy mode

oh wait nvm you weren't asking for ideas this is just basic ML innit

[Torrocca]

4. Violence is bad. Coups and revolutions are not okay.

Violence and revolutions aren't inherently bad. Context matters.

[Unithonia]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

We already have a newer movement, It's either called "Dem Force" or "Team Pelosi". Dem Force as like a Democratic Army, and Team Pelosi as like Speaker Nancy Pelosi Supporter.

So wait. You have an army supporting the rise of America's new Marxist party?
When does the world revolution commence?

[Free Arabian Nation]

4. Violence is bad. Coups and revolutions are not okay.

Violence and revolutions aren't inherently bad. Context matters.

Especially the violence bit.

Self defense is violent ffs

[Western Vale Confederacy]

We already have a newer movement, It's either called "Dem Force" or "Team Pelosi". Dem Force as like a Democratic Army, and Team Pelosi as like Speaker Nancy Pelosi Supporter.

So wait. You have an army supporting the rise of America's new Marxist party?
When does the world revolution commence?

They’re not Marxists...in fact, they are not even socialists.

They’re repeatedly mislabeled social democrats.

[Unithonia]

So wait. You have an army supporting the rise of America's new Marxist party?
When does the world revolution commence?

They’re not Marxists...in fact, they are not even socialists.

They’re repeatedly mislabeled social democrats.

(I know it's for the memes)

[PANGANIA]

I got a leftist idea! We kill everyone that's right handed. Since if they're right handed they're right wing. Kill anyone ambidextrous cause that just means they're centrist and not with the revolution. And praise those with left hands cause they're leftist.

[Unithonia]

I got a leftist idea! We kill everyone that's right handed. Since if they're right handed they're right wing. Kill anyone ambidextrous cause that just means they're centrist and not with the revolution. And praise those with left hands cause they're leftist.

*is left-handed conservative*
YES
DOWN WITH THE RIGHT HANDS

[Communal concils]

It can , prositiution can sometimes go against someone' will.so banning it will prevent the risk of sex slaves disguised as such things

Sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind.

Abuse happens in such jobs

Abuse can happen in any job...

abstaining from activity always helps limit the possibilities

So far you have only offered threadbare reasoning for banning non-reproductive sex, never mind how you think such a thing can ever be enforced.

Yes it's just a feel, one that nature wants. Nature hates every thing that isn't the majority of things

Nature hates homosexuals? What? Nature is suddenly sentient and capable of hating now?

And dismissing homosexuality as "just a feeling" offers no arguments against it whatsoever, and offers no argument as to why homosexuals should be banned from having sex.

The Goons were inspired by the Myth,the myth of a ideal.People will support anything they think is good.Ideals Govern the actions of all political groups.

That doesn't address my argument at all, but alright, whatever.

Overall, your attitude to sexuality is unjustifiable, and banning non-reproductive sex is unenforceable. It is verging on homophobic, because of the way that it targets homosexuals disproportionately to the rest of the population.

People call everything they don't like unjustified. To attempt to ban it, would at least limit certain behaviors. Homosexual wouldn't be treated differently from a Heterosexual individual in such a society, I did said that celibacy would be encourage for all sexualities. How can it be called that when it will focus on all the other behaviors equally. The whole concept of limiting human behaviors universally wouldn't be a bias for one group over another. Nature does hate it.that is because the majority of the things are suppose to breed. The only benefit of sexual relationships is the eventual replication of genes.However,anything without that purpose is the risk without benefit.

[The New California Republic]

Homosexual wouldn't be treated differently from a Heterosexual individual in such a society, I did said that celibacy would be encourage for all sexualities.

It does treat homosexuals differently, as it would effectively be a ban on all sex for them if only procreative sex was allowed.

The whole concept of limiting human behaviors universally wouldn't be a bias for one group over another.

It disproportionately affects homosexuals, surely you can see that?

Nature does hate it.that is because the majority of the things are suppose to breed.

Nature is not conscious. It is incapable of liking or hating things.

The only benefit of sexual relationships is the eventual replication of genes.

Wrong. It creates a bond between people, feels good, and relieves tension.

And you still haven't mentioned how the ban on non-procreative sex would be enforced.

[The United Choristers of Doge]

Doge is doge. we are more capitalist than communist tho

[Free Arabian Nation]

And you still haven't mentioned how the ban on non-procreative sex would be enforced.

Well, all we know is that secrete camera porn is gonna skyrocket

[Communal concils]

I have some major criticisms with this idea:

1. Planned economies are not a good choice. Mixed economies are great. You get prosperity and equality.

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2. Consumerism and capitalist culture isn't all bad. Nice stuff can be awesome.

3. Populism is bad. It leads to all sorts of crazy things, like Trump, Brexit, etc.

4. Violence is bad. Coups and revolutions are not okay.

5. Progress is good. You shouldn't be tied down to a single ideology. Find out what works, and adapt it. And keep looking for stuff which which works, or would be an improvement, and adapt that. Then just keep going like this. FOREVER!!! As long as you follow this one step plan, eternal universal domination can be yours!

6. Religion is reactionary, nationalism is divisive. Just use progress to unite everyone towards the common goal of... progression.

1.However,planned economies make production go to it's most extreme forms. Planned economies are good at making poor countries develop infrastructure. South Korea did well from massive production planned by the state, and the French recovered from the second World War with a Command Economy called Dirigisme. It is the best way of getting people employed because the state will give jobs under that economy.

2.Consumerism leads to over consumption, and that is not the best thing to do with finite resources.


3.Populism is the best tool of gain power.To raise the populous aginst the elites of society is the desire of all types of progressives. Also the European union is better of dissolved, that is until a better confederation can be created.

4.All states have a monopoly on violence.This is why Police exist, to prevent the breaking of laws.Coups and Revolutions can sometimes be the quickest way to reforms.The Tsars rruined there legitimacy with failed military plans, which allowed for the october revolution to happen. Russia to day is at least not as backwards as it's neighbors.

5.I actually like the ideal of cooperating with other ideologies. "Big Tent" concept makes sense to me. A
single political party with several ideologies with in seems like a good concept.


6.Religion will never die(unless humanity does).It has existed, since the first of our species. Even Neanderthals had a religion(shamanism surrounding Bears).Even if there was proof of no Deity, their will be another thing to venerate and worship.(promise land, a powerful Man, and a great force to control).Eastern religions don't always focus on deities(unless it's a folk religion or an animalist one),but on a form of desirable human. It's not reactionary, because it's always change form. Just look at a list of several forms of Christianity destroyed by the Nicene church.Nationalism always exist.It only helps to destroy one type with another.Progress is accepting that things evolve,sometime to the point of nolonger being the original thing.

[Communal concils]

And you still haven't mentioned how the ban on non-procreative sex would be enforced.

Well, all we know is that secrete camera porn is gonna skyrocket

It would go up regardless of the regime in power.If something undesriable is florishing,then stamping it out would have to be brought to it's fullest extent.

[Communal concils]

Doge is doge. we are more capitalist than communist tho

The Doge will be given to all freely. Equal Dogs for all!

[Communal concils]

Homosexual wouldn't be treated differently from a Heterosexual individual in such a society, I did said that celibacy would be encourage for all sexualities.

It does treat homosexuals differently, as it would effectively be a ban on all sex for them if only procreative sex was allowed.

The whole concept of limiting human behaviors universally wouldn't be a bias for one group over another.

It disproportionately affects homosexuals, surely you can see that?

Nature does hate it.that is because the majority of the things are suppose to breed.

Nature is not conscious. It is incapable of liking or hating things.

The only benefit of sexual relationships is the eventual replication of genes.

Wrong. It creates a bond between people, feels good, and relieves tension.

And you still haven't mentioned how the ban on non-procreative sex would be enforced.

1.If Humanity was on gender, and could mate and reproduce with all individuals, then True gender and sexual freedom has been achieved. Sadly, that is unlikely for a Mammal. Reproductive sex is the only thing sex was made for. Survival of a species was determined by all complexities of reproductive parents.



2.Ofcourse it will affect homosexuality, But all sexually diverse behaviors will be affect.


3.When I mean "Hate", I mean forces. Nature forces everything to continue it's existence, and the opposite is death. Nature forces the disabled to die or suffer, nature forces life to compete with it's self. It's best thing was creating mankind, and mankind realize the flaws of nature. Since nature forces all to it's will, then nature shouldn't be our friend. Nature sometime makes mistakes, and this mistake can teach us a lot about the flaws of existence. There is no need to hate the deviants, but to examine it's role in existence.


4.Feelings are not always good. Like all things human, feelings are flawed. There are other ways of removing tension.In the end, the universe is a careless machine that makes things be a certain way.

5.The Ban would be done as all banned things are treated.However,this does not actually mean a socially conservative society.Birth control would be allowed, and abortion will be used for all forms of health issues and undesirable situations.Though I'm still pro-natalist.Reproduction should be encourage ,though asexuals and other "Virigins" shouldn't be force to be in a relionship.Also abortion focus should be focus on the prevention of harmful mutations.I also beleive their should be resarch on human sexuality.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Good

Then on the whole I think I can stand behind this

This whole private sector economy thing is awful

Watch as IM gets converted to state capitalism