Ideal for a New Leftist Movement

[Slarvainian]

"Political police" is an alternative. This way we can also include those fuckers in the FBI.

Funny story
I know for a fact I the FBI under Hoover used to be on the Wikipedia page for historical secret police but I was looking just now and it’s gone

Was it the statists or a identity group? We'll never know.

[Thermodolia]

So fascism-lite? Ya that’s not really leftism there pal.

Authoritarianism doesn't always mean fascism.

I never said that. You did.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Funny story
I know for a fact I the FBI under Hoover used to be on the Wikipedia page for historical secret police but I was looking just now and it’s gone

Lmao that's hilarious. Either way, Hoover's FBI were 100% a secret police force. Dude was basically a dictator.

Okay, I guess we can completely ignore FDR then.

[Mushet]

Ah another edition of "New Poster Outlines His Ideas In Their Own Dedicated Topic As NSG Picks Them Apart"

[Infected Mushroom]

would this revolution include NKVD type units?

Why the fuck do you want those? I’d rather not have the granddaddy of the KGB breathing down my neck

I mainly want them because I think it would be really cool to join an organisation full of young people, wear a cool uniform complete with a cap and leather boots, and carry around a submachine gun (in 2019 it would probably be a carbine like an M4 or something)

its more cool than SWATs and special forces because you're not that well armed or equipped (so everything's on the line). You've got zero protection (no helmets, no vests or anything), only ideological fervour, numbers, and the weapon you carry.

who doesn't want to run around, fire carbines at enemies and then say things like

"FOR THE PEOPLE!"

it would be a dream come true

[East Gondwana]

So I just read the OP, and....


that's just Stalinism

(and yes people who are likening it instead to things like Maoism and Strasserism, those 3 are different, but they also have a lot in common)

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

who doesn't want to run around, fire carbines at enemies and then say things like

"FOR THE PEOPLE!"

it would be a dream come true

People with a grasp of reality.

[Pasong Tirad]

The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

So, you don't actually want to empower the working class. Doesn't sound very socialist to me.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

So you don't actually want to transfer control of the means of production to the people. Doesn't sound very socialist to me.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Get Trotsky on the line! We've found his son!

[Western Vale Confederacy]

who doesn't want to run around, fire carbines at enemies and then say things like

"FOR THE PEOPLE!"

it would be a dream come true

People with a grasp of reality.

You say that to IM, somebody I very much believe has a...different angle of vision when it comes to reality.

[Kavagrad]

People with a grasp of reality.

You say that to IM, somebody I very much believe has a...different angle of vision when it comes to reality.

But you see... reality is just one big hypothetical scenario on a forum post

[Infected Mushroom]

People with a grasp of reality.

You say that to IM, somebody I very much believe has a...different angle of vision when it comes to reality.

I consider myself a patron saint of realism

A godmother of Truth

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Hi, Trotsky. Took you that long to recover from the ice pick, eh?
Jokes aside, this doesn't seem very practical as a means of supporting the working class. Any ideology that bases its decisions on the basic idea that the people don't know what's good for them is doomed to become an authoritarian dictatorship that serves nobody but the people in power.

[The New California Republic]

You say that to IM, somebody I very much believe has a...different angle of vision when it comes to reality.

I consider myself a patron saint of realism

A godmother of Truth

Reality discredits your supposed realism.

[Lyxtovia]

I'm a libertarian socialist, I disagree with all this blah blah blah

[The New California Republic]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

Hi, Trotsky. Took you that long to recover from the ice pick, eh?
Jokes aside, this doesn't seem very practical as a means of supporting the working class. Any ideology that bases its decisions on the basic idea that the people don't know what's good for them is doomed to become an authoritarian dictatorship that serves nobody but the people in power.

It isn't even Trotskyism, it's more akin to someone very badly LARPing as a Trotskyite by garbling several important details.

[Thermodolia]

Hi, Trotsky. Took you that long to recover from the ice pick, eh?
Jokes aside, this doesn't seem very practical as a means of supporting the working class. Any ideology that bases its decisions on the basic idea that the people don't know what's good for them is doomed to become an authoritarian dictatorship that serves nobody but the people in power.

It isn't even Trotskyism, it's more akin to someone very badly LARPing as a Trotskyite by garbling several important details.

It’s pretty much just Juche

[Thermodolia]

Why the fuck do you want those? I’d rather not have the granddaddy of the KGB breathing down my neck

I mainly want them because I think it would be really cool to join an organisation full of young people, wear a cool uniform complete with a cap and leather boots, and carry around a submachine gun (in 2019 it would probably be a carbine like an M4 or something)

its more cool than SWATs and special forces because you're not that well armed or equipped (so everything's on the line). You've got zero protection (no helmets, no vests or anything), only ideological fervour, numbers, and the weapon you carry.

who doesn't want to run around, fire carbines at enemies and then say things like

"FOR THE PEOPLE!"

it would be a dream come true

I think you need serious help if going around murdering people is a dream of yours

[DACOROMANIA]

Stalin, Mao, Hrushchov and Brejnev already did all these things in their countries. Even some fascists done similar things. And the results were known.

[Kowani]

You say that to IM, somebody I very much believe has a...different angle of vision when it comes to reality.

I consider myself a patron saint of realism

A godmother of Truth

A church with no believers...

[DACOROMANIA]

Why the fuck do you want those? I’d rather not have the granddaddy of the KGB breathing down my neck

I mainly want them because I think it would be really cool to join an organisation full of young people, wear a cool uniform complete with a cap and leather boots, and carry around a submachine gun (in 2019 it would probably be a carbine like an M4 or something)

its more cool than SWATs and special forces because you're not that well armed or equipped (so everything's on the line). You've got zero protection (no helmets, no vests or anything), only ideological fervour, numbers, and the weapon you carry.

who doesn't want to run around, fire carbines at enemies and then say things like

"FOR THE PEOPLE!"

it would be a dream come true

Are you really sure of what you say?



Rushmov: - Hey, I'm from KGB, I come to arrest you.
Milas: - Why? I didn't anything wrong.
Rushmov: - You've been classified as a threat and an enemy of the people.
Milas: - I'm innocent!
Rushmov: - Don't obey? then I kill you. For the people!
*Zbang*!! ... and the street was full of blood...

[Slarvainian]

I consider myself a patron saint of realism

A godmother of Truth

Reality discredits your supposed realism.

Nah this is realistic. I run into patron saints of truths all the time on internet forums.

It really helps enforce my position meaningful truths are relative.

[Liriena]

Ewwww, Strasserists begone. Socialism will be libertarian or I'll riot

[Cappuccina]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

I agree with most of your post, with the exception of #6, and somewhat with #7.

If socialism is to avoid failures of its past, it cannot repeat the economic program of the ex-soviet bloc. Command economies had always failed, and will do so in any future attempts to implement it.

On #7, though I agree that nationalism is the path for any viable socialist state in the future, secularism is not. Secularism enables hedonistic cultural trends, and Christian, Muslim, or other religious based socialist regime would be preferable to quell and reverse trends towards materialism and degenerative behavior.

[Torrocca]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

I agree with most of your post, with the exception of #6, and somewhat with #7.

If socialism is to avoid failures of its past, it cannot repeat the economic program of the ex-soviet bloc. Command economies had always failed, and will do so in any future attempts to implement it.

This whole OP is literally Stalinism reimagined with Strasserist ideas lmao if you think that's gonna prevent the Soviet style of economics then I've got dozens of bridges on sale, just for you.

[Kavagrad]

I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.

The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).

1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.

2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.

3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.

4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.

5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.

6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.

7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.

I agree with most of your post, with the exception of #6, and somewhat with #7.

If socialism is to avoid failures of its past, it cannot repeat the economic program of the ex-soviet bloc. Command economies had always failed, and will do so in any future attempts to implement it.

On #7, though I agree that nationalism is the path for any viable socialist state in the future, secularism is not. Secularism enables hedonistic cultural trends, and Christian, Muslim, or other religious based socialist regime would be preferable to quell and reverse trends towards materialism and degenerative behavior.

OP, you're somewhat off the hook, a proper, no-doubt fashie has gone ahead and revealed themselves.