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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:21 am

Vulga wrote:
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In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.




That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.


I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.
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Postby Vulga » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:22 am

Communal concils wrote:
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That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.


I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.

Your definition of socialism is basically an authoritarian welfare state is which is far closer to fascism than socialism. You're a fascist not a socialist.

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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:25 am

Andrassia wrote:Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

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I don't call liberals SJWs,I call them Liberals. I'm against Liberalism both socially and economically. I don't think their views do anything for the world. I believe in true social Justice, one that unites people of all races and cultures. The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).
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Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:27 am

Communal concils wrote: The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).

Who might they be?

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Postby Kavagrad » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:29 am

Communal concils wrote:
Andrassia wrote:Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

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I don't call liberals SJWs,I call them Liberals. I'm against Liberalism both socially and economically. I don't think their views do anything for the world. I believe in true social Justice, one that unites people of all races and cultures. The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).

You know this is a terrible and obvious attempt at promoting Fascism, right? You're not subtle, and we're not fucking stupid.
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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:29 am

Vulga wrote:
Communal concils wrote:
I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.

Your definition of socialism is basically an authoritarian welfare state is which is far closer to fascism than socialism. You're a fascist not a socialist.



Didn't Lenin kill his opposition,didn't he did state capitalism.by everything he did, wouldn't he be fascist.Also I doudt that he would ever feel sympathy with homosexuals, stalin however was will to remove it.
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Upper Secundus » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:30 am

Karu Nadu wrote:
Communal concils wrote: The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).

Who might they be?


Alien race from outer space. Home planet is located on the left hand side of the Andromeda Galaxy.
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Postby Vulga » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:30 am

Kavagrad wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I don't call liberals SJWs,I call them Liberals. I'm against Liberalism both socially and economically. I don't think their views do anything for the world. I believe in true social Justice, one that unites people of all races and cultures. The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).

You know this is a terrible and obvious attempt at promoting Fascism, right? You're not subtle, and we're not fucking stupid.


Basically this.

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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:32 am

Kavagrad wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I don't call liberals SJWs,I call them Liberals. I'm against Liberalism both socially and economically. I don't think their views do anything for the world. I believe in true social Justice, one that unites people of all races and cultures. The Left was never ruined, it has only been oppressed by the Leftoids(fake leftist).

You know this is a terrible and obvious attempt at promoting Fascism, right? You're not subtle, and we're not fucking stupid.



Even if I was a Fascist, I'll be rejected by the fascist. I'm not their desired race, I don't believe in the traditional values of women, and I support immigration(to a limited extent).
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:35 am

Communal concils wrote:
Vulga wrote:Your definition of socialism is basically an authoritarian welfare state is which is far closer to fascism than socialism. You're a fascist not a socialist.



Didn't Lenin kill his opposition,didn't he did state capitalism.by everything he did, wouldn't he be fascist.Also I doudt that he would ever feel sympathy with homosexuals, stalin however was will to remove it.

:eyebrow: Apparently Lenin was a fascist parading around as a socialist. Probably one of those leftoid aliens Upper Secundus and Communal Concils told us about...

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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:36 am

Karu Nadu wrote:
Communal concils wrote:To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.
A political party needs other competition to exist as a "party". Otherwise, it just becomes an association of people, while a political party is an association of people with an idea so that they can defeat other parties.



That only really depends on the situation, I did say "means justify the ends".Let's not foget about the Dominated-party state(not one-Party state).They have elections, they have opposition, they are "Democracies".However they some how always get elected.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Upper Secundus » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:37 am

Karu Nadu wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

Didn't Lenin kill his opposition,didn't he did state capitalism.by everything he did, wouldn't he be fascist.Also I doudt that he would ever feel sympathy with homosexuals, stalin however was will to remove it.

:eyebrow: Apparently Lenin was a fascist parading around as a socialist. Probably one of those leftoid aliens Upper Secundus and Communal Concils told us about...


You heard it here first folks, Lenin was an alien all along.
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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:38 am

Communal concils wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:A political party needs other competition to exist as a "party". Otherwise, it just becomes an association of people, while a political party is an association of people with an idea so that they can defeat other parties.



That only really depends on the situation, I did say "means justify the ends".Let's not forget about the Dominated-party state(not one-Party state).They have elections, they have opposition, they are "Democracies".However they some how always get elected.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:38 am

Upper Secundus wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote: :eyebrow: Apparently Lenin was a fascist parading around as a socialist. Probably one of those leftoid aliens Upper Secundus and Communal Concils told us about...


You heard it here first folks, Lenin was an alien all along.

:lol2: That belongs in a sig.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:39 am

Upper Secundus wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote: :eyebrow: Apparently Lenin was a fascist parading around as a socialist. Probably one of those leftoid aliens Upper Secundus and Communal Concils told us about...


You heard it here first folks, Lenin was an alien all along.


Max Stirner was fucking right, goddamn spooks everywhere!

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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:39 am

Upper Secundus wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote: :eyebrow: Apparently Lenin was a fascist parading around as a socialist. Probably one of those leftoid aliens Upper Secundus and Communal Concils told us about...


You heard it here first folks, Lenin was an alien all along.




He was "alien" to the world,because his views were new to the world.He declared the first Marxist state.
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Vulga » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:40 am

Communal concils wrote:
Vulga wrote:Your definition of socialism is basically an authoritarian welfare state is which is far closer to fascism than socialism. You're a fascist not a socialist.



Didn't Lenin kill his opposition,didn't he did state capitalism.by everything he did, wouldn't he be fascist.Also I doudt that he would ever feel sympathy with homosexuals, stalin however was will to remove it.


He did kill his opposition to repress class enemies and counter-revolutionaries like the Whites, a pro-tsarist faction funded and supported by European empires and America. Lenin's goal was always communism, a classless, stateless, moneyless society, achieved through a global proletariat revolution starting in the industrialized Europe, not a bureaucratic state capitalist society completely isolated like you're promoting which is basically fascism. Also under Lenin's leadership, homosexuals were able to serve in government.
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Postby Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:42 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Upper Secundus wrote:
You heard it here first folks, Lenin was an alien all along.


Max Stirner was fucking right, goddamn spooks everywhere!




His philosophy influenced my own.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addcited to this)

Become woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)

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Postby Cela » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:42 am

You literally just described most of the core tenets of fascism

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Postby Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:42 am

Communal concils wrote:He declared the first Marxist state.

...But was a facist the whole time?
What?

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Postby Upper Secundus » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:42 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Upper Secundus wrote:
You heard it here first folks, Lenin was an alien all along.


Max Stirner was fucking right, goddamn spooks everywhere!


No idea who that is but I like you anyway.
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Postby Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:45 am

Upper Secundus wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Max Stirner was fucking right, goddamn spooks everywhere!


No idea who that is but I like you anyway.

The feeling is mutual, you put me in your sig.
Oh wait, you weren't talking to me...

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Postby Upper Secundus » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:46 am

Karu Nadu wrote:
Upper Secundus wrote:
No idea who that is but I like you anyway.

The feeling is mutual, you put me in your sig.
Oh wait, you weren't talking to me...


It's ok, you're cool as well. :)
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:46 am

Andrassia wrote:Want the left to be better? Kick out all the Feminazi's and the SJW's. They completely ruined the left wing. I used to be left wing too, but I am a rather radical centrist nowadays. Meaning I am a strong centrist, although I must admit I lean towards the libertarian side.

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Feminazis... and here we go...

You do know you can't just kick out people, right?
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Postby Crylante » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:46 am

Well, as an anti-authoritarian socialist, such movements I find abhorrent, and I don't know whether they should even be considered socialist.

I have never understood how an authoritarian dictatorship owning the means of production is akin to the workers owning the means of production, and I think I'll stick with my trade unionist reformism.
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