by Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:52 am
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by Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:04 am
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by Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:06 am
Cossack Khanate wrote:Ok, I’m a total anti-communist and wary of far-left socialism, but allow me to advise. I think several of your principles have indeed violated the whole point of socialism. Just for sake of debate, I would be interested in what separates your socialism from capitalism.
by Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:06 am
A political party needs other competition to exist as a "party". Otherwise, it just becomes an association of people, while a political party is an association of people with an idea so that they can defeat other parties.Communal concils wrote:To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.
by Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:08 am
Vulga wrote:This isn't socialism lol. This is state-capitalism.
by The South Falls » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:09 am
by Andrassia » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:09 am
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:10 am
Communal concils wrote:I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.
The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).
1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.
2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.
3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.
4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.
5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.
6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.
7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.
by Vulga » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:13 am
Communal concils wrote:Cossack Khanate wrote:Ok, I’m a total anti-communist and wary of far-left socialism, but allow me to advise. I think several of your principles have indeed violated the whole point of socialism. Just for sake of debate, I would be interested in what separates your socialism from capitalism.
In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.
by The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:15 am
by Lanoraie II » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:16 am
3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.
by Ada Empire » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:18 am
Communal concils wrote:I'm a socialist, and I'm far-left. The historical socialist movements had things I like, as well as things I dislike. However, I agree with many policies of these movements.
The Fall of the Soviet Union was the beginning of both practical and ideological degeneracy of the movement. In my opinion it has allowed the right wingers to form unchallenged groups(Alt-Right is a example).The Democratic socialist policies aren't long lasting, the Marxist-Leninist have fantasies of a revolution that will never happen, the other Communist are too Liberal, and Anarchist believe in a pseudo-egalitarian utopia.In my opinion, their needs to be a new ideology. Here are the ideals I propose for the movement(if it was created).
1.The Socialist State is the only stage of Socialism required. There will be no transition to communism, and their will be no anarchist "society". Enemies would be every were, both foreign and domestic. Order and Stability is what all Socialist should be.
2.To defeat Capitalism and counter-Revolutionaries ,one must be populist. The Working class aren't educated enough to control the state. There needs to be a responsible Oligarchy. One that challenges it's opposition, but also cleans it's self. This Oligarchy must be lead by a single party, and this party must lead a republic of self restriction .It should also consolidate power.
3.Means justify the ends. It doesn't not matter how the party gains power, it must find a way of taking control. Elections, Military coup, and popular revolutions; these are only a few methods of gaining power.
4.Sectarianism is good,there is no "Left Unity".The Spanish civil war shows what Left unity is.
5.State control over the economy is a desire. welfare, Mass production, Protectionism, subsides and public services are good policies.
6.Complete rejection of consumerism and capitalist culture is important. Drugs,prositution and other hedonist desires should be banned.
7.People must be unified. Secularism and Nationalism can be used to unite the people. World revolution is a utopia, and focusing on your nation is truly progressive.
by Andrassia » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:18 am
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Stop complaining. This isn't the 1960s, and I'm sorry if you get butthurt by people kindly telling you to stop saying slurs in casual conversation. Tell me, fellow human being, have you ever been insulted due to something relating to your body or anything of the like before? If you have, then you know what those people who complain feel...and they feel that every day. They try to put up with it, but after all, why not just tell them to stop? You have been tricked by the right, my friend. The only people who truly do the things which are 'feminazi' or 'SJW' are just people kindly telling you to stop insulting them. In fact, the right does this doles more than the left. Make a joke about any right-winger beloved by people in your country (something quite insulting, like turning their corpse into a public urinal or about how if they were replaced by literal dirt, the country would've been better off, yada yada), or something relating to old imperial pasts/soldiers in wars, etc..Basically anything that has national pride attached to it. Then wait. They'll react worse than if you played 10 hours of slurs in front of left-wingers.
by Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:19 am
Vulga wrote:Communal concils wrote:
In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.
That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.
by Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:20 am
Andrassia wrote:The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Stop complaining. This isn't the 1960s, and I'm sorry if you get butthurt by people kindly telling you to stop saying slurs in casual conversation. Tell me, fellow human being, have you ever been insulted due to something relating to your body or anything of the like before? If you have, then you know what those people who complain feel...and they feel that every day. They try to put up with it, but after all, why not just tell them to stop? You have been tricked by the right, my friend. The only people who truly do the things which are 'feminazi' or 'SJW' are just people kindly telling you to stop insulting them. In fact, the right does this doles more than the left. Make a joke about any right-winger beloved by people in your country (something quite insulting, like turning their corpse into a public urinal or about how if they were replaced by literal dirt, the country would've been better off, yada yada), or something relating to old imperial pasts/soldiers in wars, etc..Basically anything that has national pride attached to it. Then wait. They'll react worse than if you played 10 hours of slurs in front of left-wingers.
You feel better now? Sounded like you really needed to get that off your chest and you were just waiting for someone.
by Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:21 am
Vulga wrote:Communal concils wrote:
In my socialism ,lot's of resources would be state owned. I'm also think that cooperatives are okay. Command economy is what I desire, and the profit motive would be changed in the system I propose.
That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.
by Vulga » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:22 am
Communal concils wrote:Vulga wrote:
That's not socialism. The economic mode you described is what Lenin called State-Capitalism, which was created to rapidly industrialize the mostly agrarian post-tsarist Russia. Socialism is defined by far-left socialists as system that advocates worker's control over the means of production. Stop spreading misinformation.
I did said that I support cooperatives, and I believe that state owned economies lead to socialism anyways.
by Communal concils » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:25 am
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