Autism Discussion Thread

[Khataiy]

Exactly the ADD/ADHD fad is dying down and is being replaced with Autism

Ah my gods. Go read about autism and then we can talk.

I am well aware of autism is, I am not saying it doesn't exist but it seems as of late more children then usual suddenly are on the "spectrum", there are seriously autistic people and they need special attention especially in education, whereas the kids that just act weird/misbehave waste people's time.

[The Isle of Beithe]

That... that's not how it goes. Science. Check it out. You may be mistaking that with claims that ADD or ADHD are over-diagnosed. Autism is something else entirely.

Exactly the ADD/ADHD fad is dying down and is being replaced with Autism

One could easily blame the ADD/ADHD "fad" on big pharma pushing their drugs. Autism is a different beast entirely; it's not corrected by medication.

[Khataiy]

Exactly the ADD/ADHD fad is dying down and is being replaced with Autism

One can easily blame the ADD/ADHD fad on big pharma pushing their drugs. Autism is a different beast entirely; it's not corrected by medication.

It's a fad either way

[The Isle of Beithe]

One can easily blame the ADD/ADHD fad on big pharma pushing their drugs. Autism is a different beast entirely; it's not corrected by medication.

It's a fad either way

What precisely makes it a fad? Does increased awareness automatically equal fad? Please elaborate.

[Yusseria]

That... that's not how it goes. Science. Check it out. You may be mistaking that with claims that ADD or ADHD are over-diagnosed. Autism is something else entirely.

Exactly the ADD/ADHD fad is dying down and is being replaced with Autism

don't know how to explain this to you bud but mental disabilities are not fads.

[Khataiy]

Exactly the ADD/ADHD fad is dying down and is being replaced with Autism

don't know how to explain this to you bud but mental disabilities are not fads.

It is a fad for people to label their kids so they don't feel bad about their short comings and it likely makes it easier for schools to get away with lower passing rates on standardized tests because its easier to say "We have a bunch of ADD/ADHD-Dyslexic-Autistic children" than to say "We suck at our job."

[The Isle of Beithe]

don't know how to explain this to you bud but mental disabilities are not fads.

It is a fad for people to label their kids so they don't feel bad about their short comings and it likely makes it easier for schools to get away with lower passing rates on standardized tests because its easier to say "We have a bunch of ADD/ADHD-Dyslexic-Autistic children" than to say "We suck at our job."

Using this example, you're making the assumption that autism means lower intelligence. Perhaps you've never heard of Asperger's Syndrome and high-functioning autism? In fact, you're conflating developmental disorders entirely with lower intelligence.

[Yusseria]

don't know how to explain this to you bud but mental disabilities are not fads.

It is a fad for people to label their kids so they don't feel bad about their short comings and it likely makes it easier for schools to get away with lower passing rates on standardized tests because its easier to say "We have a bunch of ADD/ADHD-Dyslexic-Autistic children" than to say "We suck at our job."

in order for a school to actually provide a special needs student with aid they'd first have to have a psychologist verify that they do actually have a mental disability.

a school won't give a student aid unless they have actual proof.

[Khataiy]

It is a fad for people to label their kids so they don't feel bad about their short comings and it likely makes it easier for schools to get away with lower passing rates on standardized tests because its easier to say "We have a bunch of ADD/ADHD-Dyslexic-Autistic children" than to say "We suck at our job."

Using this example, you're making the assumption that autism means lower intelligence. Perhaps you've never heard of Asperger's Syndrome and high-functioning autism?

You're missing the point, I am not saying that at all I know asperger's is high intelligence, what I am saying though its easy to pass off the image that a mental illness makes teaching harder than it is to show that you suck at your job, and this is aside the fact a lot of autists have behavior problems.

[New haven america]

Using this example, you're making the assumption that autism means lower intelligence. Perhaps you've never heard of Asperger's Syndrome and high-functioning autism?

You're missing the point, I am not saying that at all

Yes you are.

[The Untied Federation of Russia]

I have to agree there are kids out there that has autism, but the problem is parents are quick to label their child as autistic because they act different.

In order to confirm that they really have it parents have to take their kids to a doctor and get tested.

I thought my son had autism but, after taking him to get tested he didn't have it.

[Khataiy]

You're missing the point, I am not saying that at all

Yes you are.

The fact you cut off the rest of my post explaining my stance shows you are not interested in what I have to say and are already set in your opinion, and this is aside the fact it's just rude.

[The Isle of Beithe]

Using this example, you're making the assumption that autism means lower intelligence. Perhaps you've never heard of Asperger's Syndrome and high-functioning autism?

You're missing the point, I am not saying that at all I know asperger's is high intelligence, what I am saying though its easy to pass off the image that a mental illness makes teaching harder than it is to show that you suck at your job, and this is aside the fact a lot of autists have behavior problems.

Okay, I think I see what you're getting at.

I'm not going to argue that educational institutions often suck. They fail at catering to the needs of even students who are not suffering from any sort of disability. (In general, they take a one-size-fits-all appraoch. But let's not go there, because that will lead us off-topic.) But how precisely does this make autism a fad?

[New haven america]

Yes you are.

The fact you cut off the rest of my post explaining my stance shows you are not interested in what I have to say and are already set in your opinion, and this is aside the fact it's just rude.

And I'm sure that the people in this thread with Autism or ADHD think you're being rude, but that ain't stopping you, is it?

Can't take what you dish out, then don't dish it out to begin with~

[Khataiy]

You're missing the point, I am not saying that at all I know asperger's is high intelligence, what I am saying though its easy to pass off the image that a mental illness makes teaching harder than it is to show that you suck at your job, and this is aside the fact a lot of autists have behavior problems.

Okay, I think I see what you're getting at.

I'm not going to argue that educational institutions often suck. They fail at catering to the needs of even students who are not suffering from any sort of disability. (In general, they take a one-size-fits-all appraoch. But let's not go there, because that will lead us off-topic.) But how precisely does this make autism a fad?

It makes it a fad because like I said they just realized they can throw out labels to excuse their [the school/institution in questions] failures or because its easy to blame a child that has behavior issues on a condition like autism then to actually discipline your child and so on.

[Khataiy]

The fact you cut off the rest of my post explaining my stance shows you are not interested in what I have to say and are already set in your opinion, and this is aside the fact it's just rude.

And I'm sure that the people in this thread with Autism or ADHD think you're being rude, but that ain't stopping you, is it?

Can't take what you dish out, then don't dish it out to begin with~

Why would it be rude to say you do not have a mental disorder, in fact it's kind of flattering.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

A diagnosis by a medical professional is the best way of proving that you are indeed on the spectrum.

[New haven america]

And I'm sure that the people in this thread with Autism or ADHD think you're being rude, but that ain't stopping you, is it?

Can't take what you dish out, then don't dish it out to begin with~

Why would it be rude to say you do not have a mental disorder, in fact it's kind of flattering.

You've never studied the history of mental disorders, have you?

Quite frankly, being able to openly admit you have a mental or learning disorder and actually get help and support for it nowadays would be considered unthinkable no more than 100 years ago, where you'd just get sent to a mental asylum and be left there to rot for the rest of your life or just told to deal with it.

[Khataiy]

Why would it be rude to say you do not have a mental disorder, in fact it's kind of flattering.

You've never studied the history of mental disorders, have you?

Quite frankly, being able to openly admit you have a mental or learning disorder and actually get help and support for it nowadays would be considered unthinkable no more than 100 years ago, where you'd just get sent to a mental asylum and be left there to rot for the rest of your life or just told to deal with it.

It sounds like your taking what I write personally for some reason and I'm not interested in that

[The Isle of Beithe]

Okay, I think I see what you're getting at.

I'm not going to argue that educational institutions often suck. They fail at catering to the needs of even students who are not suffering from any sort of disability. (In general, they take a one-size-fits-all appraoch. But let's not go there, because that will lead us off-topic.) But how precisely does this make autism a fad?

It makes it a fad because like I said they just realized they can throw out labels to excuse their [the school/institution in questions] failures or because its easy to blame a child that has behavior issues on a condition like autism then to actually discipline your child and so on.

A very myopic perspective, I must say, and your argument is vague.

It's worth pointing out that autism doesn't necessarily mean that a child will be a menace in school. Sure, autistic children can be difficult, but that doesn't mean they're all going around screaming and hitting other children. The condition manifests itself in many ways.

I think you're just pandering to some stereotypes. But isn't it just so easy to pass judgment from your armchair?

The fact you cut off the rest of my post explaining my stance shows you are not interested in what I have to say and are already set in your opinion, and this is aside the fact it's just rude.

And I'm sure that the people in this thread with Autism or ADHD think you're being rude, but that ain't stopping you, is it?

Can't take what you dish out, then don't dish it out to begin with~

Thanks.

[Reploid Productions]

Standby, trawl in progress.

Its not real, the majority of the time. I'd be willing to bet my shed that it is over diagnosed and is rarer than people think. It is only adults freaking out that their kid is unpopular or goes their own path rather than what is expected. In the old days, there wasn't this nonsense about people having one or more "disorders" by default. A stupid person was just seen as stupid or a person got shunned until they started to conform and meet expectations.

You do realize that this post basically reads as "Autistic people aren't autistic, they're probably just stupid!", right? In other words, pretty much trolling both to autistic folks and pretty much anyone else with some form of developmental disorder. You're usually much better about tapdancing up to the line without actually crossing it, but as of late you keep crossing it.

*** Saiwania, 3-day ban for trolling. ***

Autism is now the go to mental problem to blame a child's incompetentcies

Exactly the ADD/ADHD fad is dying down and is being replaced with Autism

It is a fad for people to label their kids so they don't feel bad about their short comings and it likely makes it easier for schools to get away with lower passing rates on standardized tests because its easier to say "We have a bunch of ADD/ADHD-Dyslexic-Autistic children" than to say "We suck at our job."

You're missing the point, I am not saying that at all I know asperger's is high intelligence, what I am saying though its easy to pass off the image that a mental illness makes teaching harder than it is to show that you suck at your job, and this is aside the fact a lot of autists have behavior problems.

It makes it a fad because like I said they just realized they can throw out labels to excuse their [the school/institution in questions] failures or because its easy to blame a child that has behavior issues on a condition like autism then to actually discipline your child and so on.

And your conduct throughout the thread reads as a sustained attack of "Most autistics aren't actually autistic, they/their parents/their school/whatever are faking it!", coupled with your word choice and thus subsequent tone makes it read like you are just trying to provoke a reaction rather than engage in any meaningful debate. This manages to troll folks who are autistic by implying some or perhaps most are 'faking' it or otherwise not actually autistic; it trolls folks who are autistic by widely generalizing them as incompetent or stupid; it trolls educators and parents by implying some or even most are incompetent and thus falsely attributing mental health conditions to children. Coupled with your history across puppets, I have zero reason to believe that you are engaging in this debate honestly, and every reason to believe you are being as obnoxious as possible just to provoke a reaction... in other words, trolling.

There are ways to discuss the possible mis-diagnosing or over-diagnosing of any given disorder that aren't also trolling at the same time. The above, given your history, is not it. *** Khataiy, 3-day ban for trolling. ***

Thread to be unlocked after I get the paperwork filed. And done.


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[Area 6-Z]

But yeah Autism is a serious problem and I feel like some schools don't do much to stop the bullying against autistic kids.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

But yeah Autism is a serious problem and I feel like some schools don't do much to stop the bullying against autistic kids.

Unfortunately bullying is something that happens more than we’d like it to. Although there’s been a push to minimize it.

[The Isle of Beithe]

As an official Aspie, I am willing for AMA.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-46989099

An interesting point of view regarding the diagnosis of autism.