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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:33 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Well i doubt you have anything other than plural of anecdotes to back that up.



Friends said, “It’s coal miners at a pub after work.” It was a photograph of coal miners with blackened faces. I asked a Latinx and white woman for their opinion. They said it looked like coal miners at a pub after work. Then they stepped back, frowned and said it’s men in blackface.
I asked the waitress to speak with a manager. Instead, I spoke with a white restaurant owner. I explained to him why the photograph was offensive. Evidently, someone else had made a similar comment about the photograph before.
Yet, the photograph remained on the wall. He said he would talk to the other owners and get back to me. While leaving, I asked him had he spoke with the other owners. He had not spoken with them, but mentioned Google said it's coal miners after work.


His friends said so and so did google.

Looking at this NPR piece and comparing the pictures NPR used to the photo at the pub, you can clearly see the similarities of coal suit on there faces.

NPR thought that similar pictures to the one at the pub where non racist.

Using the article's plural of anecdotes don't make em not plural of anecdotes.
NPR is a better tact mind. Pity you seem to be using it to only address your strawman version of the author's point.
That would probably be the first place i would go too.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:37 am

Uiiop wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:



His friends said so and so did google.

Looking at this NPR piece and comparing the pictures NPR used to the photo at the pub, you can clearly see the similarities of coal suit on there faces.

NPR thought that similar pictures to the one at the pub where non racist.

Using the article's plural of anecdotes don't make em not plural of anecdotes.
NPR is a better tact mind. Pity you seem to be using it to only address your strawman version of the author's point.
That would probably be the first place i would go too.


You could go to Google images and search on coal miners faces, and see what comes up.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:38 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Using the article's plural of anecdotes don't make em not plural of anecdotes.
NPR is a better tact mind. Pity you seem to be using it to only address your strawman version of the author's point.
That would probably be the first place i would go too.


You could go to Google images and search on coal miners faces, and see what comes up.

That would be a good rebuttal if anyone in this topic wasn't already corrected of this even before OP posted.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:38 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Well i doubt you have anything other than plural of anecdotes to back that up.



Friends said, “It’s coal miners at a pub after work.” It was a photograph of coal miners with blackened faces. I asked a Latinx and white woman for their opinion. They said it looked like coal miners at a pub after work. Then they stepped back, frowned and said it’s men in blackface.
I asked the waitress to speak with a manager. Instead, I spoke with a white restaurant owner. I explained to him why the photograph was offensive. Evidently, someone else had made a similar comment about the photograph before.
Yet, the photograph remained on the wall. He said he would talk to the other owners and get back to me. While leaving, I asked him had he spoke with the other owners. He had not spoken with them, but mentioned Google said it's coal miners after work.


His friends said so and so did google.

Looking at this NPR piece and comparing the pictures NPR used to the photo at the pub, you can clearly see the similarities of coal suit on there faces.

NPR thought that similar pictures to the one at the pub where non racist.


I'm trying to understand the author's rationale here. Does he expect the picture to be taken down because he has an issue with it? Is the owner expected to remove the picture because of one or two people have decided its offensive?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:40 am

Uiiop wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:



His friends said so and so did google.

Looking at this NPR piece and comparing the pictures NPR used to the photo at the pub, you can clearly see the similarities of coal suit on there faces.

NPR thought that similar pictures to the one at the pub where non racist.

Using the article's plural of anecdotes don't make em not plural of anecdotes.
NPR is a better tact mind. Pity you seem to be using it to only address your strawman version of the author's point.
That would probably be the first place i would go too.


It is not a straw man.

He thinks the photo of coal miners is black face.

It is not beacuse black face is solid makeup used in plays while the photo in question has clear gaps of non suit coved faces.

Those gaps would not be there if this was black face.

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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:42 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:



His friends said so and so did google.

Looking at this NPR piece and comparing the pictures NPR used to the photo at the pub, you can clearly see the similarities of coal suit on there faces.

NPR thought that similar pictures to the one at the pub where non racist.


I'm trying to understand Friend's rationale here. Does he expect the picture to be taken down because he has an issue with it? Is the owner expected to remove the picture because of one or two people have decided its offensive?

Well no but only in the sense he thinks most black people would get the same vibes. He's wrong but other people are thought about.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:42 am

Uiiop wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
You could go to Google images and search on coal miners faces, and see what comes up.

That would be a good rebuttal if anyone in this topic wasn't already corrected of this even before OP posted.


Then what was your point?
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:48 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Using the article's plural of anecdotes don't make em not plural of anecdotes.
NPR is a better tact mind. Pity you seem to be using it to only address your strawman version of the author's point.
That would probably be the first place i would go too.


It is not a straw man.

He thinks the photo of coal miners is black face.

It is not beacuse black face is solid makeup used in plays while the photo in question has clear gaps of non suit coved faces.

Those gaps would not be there if this was black face.

He already acknowledged that if you bothered to read the article other than looking for gotchas.
"The context of the photograph is not the issue." He knows they're coal miners m8 that's not the context at hand.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Uiiop wrote:That would be a good rebuttal if anyone in this topic wasn't already corrected of this even before OP posted.


Then what was your point?


That the author is wrong and made a stupid point but ya'll aren't actually addressing that point. Just repeating oversimplified strawman that doesn't bother attack the logic behind his conclusions.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:59 am

Uiiop wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
It is not a straw man.

He thinks the photo of coal miners is black face.

It is not beacuse black face is solid makeup used in plays while the photo in question has clear gaps of non suit coved faces.

Those gaps would not be there if this was black face.

He already acknowledged that if you bothered to read the article other than looking for gotchas.
"The context of the photograph is not the issue." He knows they're coal miners m8 that's not the context at hand.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Then what was your point?


That the author is wrong and made a stupid point but ya'll aren't actually addressing that point. Just repeating oversimplified strawman that doesn't bother attack the logic behind his conclusions.


I get that he understood the picture was not by itself racist. He is saying that the placement of the picture, with the lack of other more inclusive pictures made it racist, and was portraying a racist message making him uncomfortable in the restaurant.
He is upset that after talking to the white owner the picture was not taken down. Btw blacks make up about 6% of the population in phoenix

It's not racist you fucking moron ( i am reffering to Mr. Thomas) is the appropriate responce to the article.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Uiiop wrote:He already acknowledged that if you bothered to read the article other than looking for gotchas.
"The context of the photograph is not the issue." He knows they're coal miners m8 that's not the context at hand.


That the author is wrong and made a stupid point but ya'll aren't actually addressing that point. Just repeating oversimplified strawman that doesn't bother attack the logic behind his conclusions.


I get that he understood the picture was not by itself racist. He is saying that the placement of the picture, with the lack of other more inclusive pictures made it racist, and was portraying a racist message making him uncomfortable in the restaurant.
He is upset that after talking to the white owner the picture was not taken down. Btw blacks make up about 6% of the population in phoenix

It's not racist you fucking moron ( i am reffering to Mr. Thomas) is the appropriate responce to the article.

Not getting the other inclusive pictures bit. He just advocate for it to be taken off all together. The whole art thing was just an example of society treating black people poorly that the picture despite acknowledging him the fact it's just a picture of coal miners reminds him of.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:28 am

Not even a little racist. Contrary to what some of the willfully aggrieved might say, the mere fact of a white person having parts of their skin darkened is not racist. Unless they also had big lips in the picture or appear to be shucking and jiving, I'm not seeing the context that would make this racist.

Honestly, this makes me think of people who say that a white person saying "nigger" is racist, regardless of context. It's hypersensitive foolishness.

And as for the pictures not being taken down when requested? Good. If these pictures offended him so bad then he can happily take his aggrieved bullshit to another establishment.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:08 am

Galloism wrote:
NeoOasis wrote:Abso-fucking-lutely context is important.

There’s a judge in England that would vehemently disagree.

There's a doctor in Montenegro who wouldn't give a shit.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:47 am

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What is it with you and your obsession with race?

Can't you be a normal person and not see and judge people by their skin colour, or is that too hard?


I have an obsession with race?

Thanks, I needed the laugh this early in the morning.


You quite clearly do have an obsession with race. I don't care about race, I only care about culture. In nearly every single conversation you bring it up.

You are obsessed with race.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:47 am

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Liriena wrote:Gotta keep the anti-SJW outrage machine chugging along no matter what.


C'mon man, denounce the man and then denounce the exaggerated reactions to this man's incoherent conclusions!

Denounce him? What, are we both members of the same political party or something?

Some rando had a stupid hot take online. Welcome to the internet.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:48 am

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I have an obsession with race?

Thanks, I needed the laugh this early in the morning.


You quite clearly do have an obsession with race. I don't care about race, I only care about culture. In nearly every single conversation you bring it up.

You are obsessed with race.

Ah, what would far right demagogy be without some good old gaslighting?
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
You quite clearly do have an obsession with race. I don't care about race, I only care about culture. In nearly every single conversation you bring it up.

You are obsessed with race.

Ah, what would far right demagogy be without some good old gaslighting?


Rather far right than the extreme left
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:18 pm

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Liriena wrote:Ah, what would far right demagogy be without some good old gaslighting?


Rather far right than the extreme left

I'm not seeing a denial here.

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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:25 pm

This actually can't be racist, since no action was taken by the coal miners. Soot accumulated on their face because of their work environment. It's impossible for such a thing to be racist because no conscious choice of the miners was involved.
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Postby Page » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:39 pm

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Liriena wrote:Ah, what would far right demagogy be without some good old gaslighting?


Rather far right than the extreme left


Indeed, better thousand corpses than 2 overturned trash cans.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:45 pm

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Rather far right than the extreme left

I'm not seeing a denial here.

Hot couch fascists really are the funniest. :3


Why would I deny a hilarious theory?

You be you.

I've said it before anyway, it's in my political interest for people like you to call views like mine fascist. It's also probably in the interest of actual fascists too, you're legitimising them. GG bro
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:55 pm

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Rather far right than the extreme left


Indeed, better thousand corpses than 2 overturned trash cans.

TIL that extreme leftism totally hasn't led to the murder and abuse of millions of people.

Wait a minute, that's actually completely false.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:03 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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Indeed, better thousand corpses than 2 overturned trash cans.

TIL that extreme leftism totally hasn't led to the murder and abuse of millions of people.

Wait a minute, that's actually completely false.


Facts? In a conversation about the extreme left?

How blasphemous.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:13 pm

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I have an obsession with race?

Thanks, I needed the laugh this early in the morning.


You quite clearly do have an obsession with race. I don't care about race, I only care about culture. In nearly every single conversation you bring it up.

You are obsessed with race.


Fucking what? Fucking what? That is the most twisted stupid logic I have ever seen.

First off, this topic already involved racism so it was going to get brought up eventually. Second of all, in this conversation the first thing out of your mouth was about how the ebil minorities hate white people. Third, bullshit you only care about culture:

Trumptonium1 wrote:Who the fuck was racist enough to put up a picture of white people on restaurant walls which is supposed to be visited by minorities in the first place?

Nothing in that statement involved culture. It involved race.

Finally, I don't give a shit about race. I know this beacuse I am me, and I wouldn't care if I saw someone with purple polka dots on there skin. I'd still treat them as human.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:15 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
It is not a straw man.

He thinks the photo of coal miners is black face.

It is not beacuse black face is solid makeup used in plays while the photo in question has clear gaps of non suit coved faces.

Those gaps would not be there if this was black face.

He already acknowledged that if you bothered to read the article other than looking for gotchas.
"The context of the photograph is not the issue." He knows they're coal miners m8 that's not the context at hand.
Ethel mermania wrote:
Then what was your point?


That the author is wrong and made a stupid point but ya'll aren't actually addressing that point. Just repeating oversimplified strawman that doesn't bother attack the logic behind his conclusions.


Him acknowledging it doesn't make his statement correct or factual.

He is still wrong, it is not black face.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:18 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'm not seeing a denial here.

Hot couch fascists really are the funniest. :3


Why would I deny a hilarious theory?

You be you.

I've said it before anyway, it's in my political interest for people like you to call views like mine fascist. It's also probably in the interest of actual fascists too, you're legitimising them. GG bro

The gloating makes it even cuter.
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