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Unwashed men are racist.

Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:56 pm

So recently a reporter who happened to be black entered a restaurant that had a picture of coal miners at the pub after work, unwashed. Their faces were black from soot and this reporter instantly ignored the context of the photo and decided it was blackface. And racist. And newsworthy.

Friends said, “It’s coal miners at a pub after work.” It was a photograph of coal miners with blackened faces. I asked a Latinx and white woman for their opinion. They said it looked like coal miners at a pub after work. Then they stepped back, frowned and said it’s men in blackface.



So NSG does context matter when it comes to declaring racism?


Personally context is king and this is a very silly reporter.




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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:00 pm

Making an issue of someone making an issue of something that might or might not be an issue and the merry-go-round continues..
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Postby Area 6-Z » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:01 pm

I'm against racism, but come on not everything you have to see has to be racist so in my opinion yes context is important.
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Postby Blazelander » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:01 pm

I'm very racist but also a very clean man desu, im very hygienic.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:05 pm

Blazelander wrote:I'm very racist but also a very clean man desu, im very hygienic.


You're in line with science..

People who have a greater tendency to turn their nose up at the whiff of urine, sweat and other body odours are more likely to have rightwing authoritarian attitudes, research suggests.

The study also found having a greater disgust for body odours was linked, albeit to a small degree, with support for Donald Trump when he was a presidential candidate.

The team say the findings support the idea that a feeling of disgust might partly underpin social discrimination against others, with the link rooted in a primitive urge to avoid catching diseases from unfamiliar people or environments.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:08 pm

A dumb guy found a computer, more at 11.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:08 pm

Context should matter, and the fact that it doesn't anymore is beyond concerning.

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:09 pm

Bombadil wrote:Making an issue of someone making an issue of something that might or might not be an issue and the merry-go-round continues..


^This.

The best way to stop non-issues from being taken seriously is NOT to make an NSG thread whining about "ZOMG!!! PC gone mad!!! Look how oversensitive they are!!!" Best way to make a non-issue stay a non-issue is ignoring it.
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Postby Greater Carolinas » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:11 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Blazelander wrote:I'm very racist but also a very clean man desu, im very hygienic.


You're in line with science..

People who have a greater tendency to turn their nose up at the whiff of urine, sweat and other body odours are more likely to have rightwing authoritarian attitudes, research suggests.

The study also found having a greater disgust for body odours was linked, albeit to a small degree, with support for Donald Trump when he was a presidential candidate.

The team say the findings support the idea that a feeling of disgust might partly underpin social discrimination against others, with the link rooted in a primitive urge to avoid catching diseases from unfamiliar people or environments.

This reminds me of the article about how alpha males and gym bros are more likely to be right wing douchebags lol

Also fuck the coal industry, nuclear power pride world wide.

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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:11 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Making an issue of someone making an issue of something that might or might not be an issue and the merry-go-round continues..


^This.

The best way to stop non-issues from being taken seriously is NOT to make an NSG thread whining about "ZOMG!!! PC gone mad!!! Look how oversensitive they are!!!" Best way to make a non-issue stay a non-issue is ignoring it.


You don’t think that there’s real life consequences for things being labeled racist erroneously?

And discussing what actually constitutes racism should be more clearly defined?
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:12 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
^This.

The best way to stop non-issues from being taken seriously is NOT to make an NSG thread whining about "ZOMG!!! PC gone mad!!! Look how oversensitive they are!!!" Best way to make a non-issue stay a non-issue is ignoring it.


Letting something stand uncontested doesn't make it a non-issue.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:18 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
^This.

The best way to stop non-issues from being taken seriously is NOT to make an NSG thread whining about "ZOMG!!! PC gone mad!!! Look how oversensitive they are!!!" Best way to make a non-issue stay a non-issue is ignoring it.


You don’t think that there’s real life consequences for things being labeled racist erroneously?

And discussing what actually constitutes racism should be more clearly defined?


See.. let's look at the headline in the Washington Examiner.. 'Everything is racist, coal miner edition'.

Clearly clickbait to make an issue of something already predetermined in their audience minds and meaning the nuance of what the person was saying is lost.. because hey nuance is for idiots.

His point is that generally black people are portrayed in a negative manner in the media and this has actual real world effects of being treated differently just because of your skin colour. Even if it's just coal miners after a hard days work people might not take that in and in their mind revert to images of blackface from movies, posters and more.

Hence he suggests a note with the photo with context.

What he's really talking about is the power of imagery.. but hey. And maybe he's right or wrong, but he's creating a discussion not pandering to the prejudices of his readers. However..

Everything is racist, coal miner edition

That's really aimed at solving anything isn't it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:19 pm

Bombadil wrote:Making an issue of someone making an issue of something that might or might not be an issue and the merry-go-round continues..

Outrage at outrage is wearing me out. Which I guess is the point...
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Postby Blazelander » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:20 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Blazelander wrote:I'm very racist but also a very clean man desu, im very hygienic.


You're in line with science..

People who have a greater tendency to turn their nose up at the whiff of urine, sweat and other body odours are more likely to have rightwing authoritarian attitudes, research suggests.

The study also found having a greater disgust for body odours was linked, albeit to a small degree, with support for Donald Trump when he was a presidential candidate.

The team say the findings support the idea that a feeling of disgust might partly underpin social discrimination against others, with the link rooted in a primitive urge to avoid catching diseases from unfamiliar people or environments.


I don't like Trump neither bro, he is a ZOG shill, i mean he married his own daugther to a jew

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:21 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
^This.

The best way to stop non-issues from being taken seriously is NOT to make an NSG thread whining about "ZOMG!!! PC gone mad!!! Look how oversensitive they are!!!" Best way to make a non-issue stay a non-issue is ignoring it.


You don’t think that there’s real life consequences for things being labeled racist erroneously?


Not when it's just one oversensitive person saying something dumb.

And discussing what actually constitutes racism should be more clearly defined?


This thread is contributing to that discussion about as much as grabbing a photo of Hitler and arguing over how many hairs are in his mustache contributes to understanding Nazism.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:23 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
You don’t think that there’s real life consequences for things being labeled racist erroneously?


Not when it's just one oversensitive person saying something dumb.

And discussing what actually constitutes racism should be more clearly defined?


This thread is contributing to that discussion about as much as grabbing a photo of Hitler and arguing over how many hairs are in his mustache contributes to understanding Nazism.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:24 pm

Blazelander wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
You're in line with science..

People who have a greater tendency to turn their nose up at the whiff of urine, sweat and other body odours are more likely to have rightwing authoritarian attitudes, research suggests.

The study also found having a greater disgust for body odours was linked, albeit to a small degree, with support for Donald Trump when he was a presidential candidate.

The team say the findings support the idea that a feeling of disgust might partly underpin social discrimination against others, with the link rooted in a primitive urge to avoid catching diseases from unfamiliar people or environments.


I don't like Trump neither bro, he is a ZOG shill, i mean he married his own daugther to a jew


Well I'm sure you'll last long round these parts.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:25 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
You don’t think that there’s real life consequences for things being labeled racist erroneously?

And discussing what actually constitutes racism should be more clearly defined?


See.. let's look at the headline in the Washington Examiner.. 'Everything is racist, coal miner edition'.

Clearly clickbait to make an issue of something already predetermined in their audience minds and meaning the nuance of what the person was saying is lost.. because hey nuance is for idiots.

His point is that generally black people are portrayed in a negative manner in the media and this has actual real world effects of being treated differently just because of your skin colour. Even if it's just coal miners after a hard days work people might not take that in and in their mind revert to images of blackface from movies, posters and more.

Hence he suggests a note with the photo with context.

What he's really talking about is the power of imagery.. but hey. And maybe he's right or wrong, but he's creating a discussion not pandering to the prejudices of his readers. However..

Everything is racist, coal miner edition

That's really aimed at solving anything isn't it.



That someone thinks that the photo needs a note, is the issue.

That you need to construct a narrative around your identity and link it’s effects to a harmless photo is pandering to his readers.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:26 pm

Oh look, a newspaper has something silly in the opinions page, the right wing press goes into an uproar, and everyone else ignores it, because it's something silly in a opinion column.
This is like getting mad at a medium article.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:27 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
See.. let's look at the headline in the Washington Examiner.. 'Everything is racist, coal miner edition'.

Clearly clickbait to make an issue of something already predetermined in their audience minds and meaning the nuance of what the person was saying is lost.. because hey nuance is for idiots.

His point is that generally black people are portrayed in a negative manner in the media and this has actual real world effects of being treated differently just because of your skin colour. Even if it's just coal miners after a hard days work people might not take that in and in their mind revert to images of blackface from movies, posters and more.

Hence he suggests a note with the photo with context.

What he's really talking about is the power of imagery.. but hey. And maybe he's right or wrong, but he's creating a discussion not pandering to the prejudices of his readers. However..

Everything is racist, coal miner edition

That's really aimed at solving anything isn't it.



That someone thinks that the photo needs a note, is the issue.


It's just, like, his opinion, man.
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Postby Blazelander » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:27 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Blazelander wrote:
I don't like Trump neither bro, he is a ZOG shill, i mean he married his own daugther to a jew


Well I'm sure you'll last long round these parts.



I dindu nuffin ;_; im just a very honest person, ive never liked to hide my true self or opinions

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:28 pm

I miss when this stuff was seasonal.
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:29 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:

That someone thinks that the photo needs a note, is the issue.


It's just, like, his opinion, man.


Actually if you read the op or the linked articles you would see it’s several peoples opinions, ah boat?
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Postby NeoOasis » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:30 pm

Abso-fucking-lutely context is important.
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