Ukraine Has Not Yet Voted-Round 3(The Rada Runaround)

[Shrillland]

well, if you say so, then the idea that "US supports Poroshenko" is wrong.

was the second round on the 21st?

Yep. it'll be on Sunday, and it's pretty obvious at this point that Zelensky's going to win it.

[Cosmicium]

When someone with absolutely no political experience receives more votes than the political establishment, you know that Ukraine is completely fucked.

[Shofercia]

well, if you say so, then the idea that "US supports Poroshenko" is wrong.

was the second round on the 21st?

The US might very well support Poroshenko, but we cannot use that poorly written Newsweek article to back up said claim.

[Shofercia]

When someone with absolutely no political experience receives more votes than the political establishment, you know that Ukraine is completely fucked.

But they can certainly "debate" with style:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXxq8kNTXXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm16htweOJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmkvO_IwsZ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfCRyLlyqJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkh9Va8FD7E

Now imagine if your Government was like that, all the time. And your living situation got worse and worse and worse. You just might want to elect Chuck Norris.

[Sharania]

Yep. it'll be on Sunday, and it's pretty obvious at this point that Zelensky's going to win it.

Not Zelensky - someone else:

Putin’s big Ukraine win by POLITICO
Volodymyr Zelenskiy is not who many voters think he is for the simple reason that they don’t know who that is

KIEV — Meet the presumptive victor of Sunday's presidential election in Ukraine: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

By all indications, comedian-turned-politician Volodymyr Zelenskiy will beat incumbent President Petro Poroshenko on Sunday. Polls suggest a landslide, with the upstart winning as much as 75 percent of the vote.

Yet make no mistake, no matter who comes first, the real winner will be sitting in the Kremlin.

"People project the image of the actor onto a candidate who played the president," said Oleksiy Haran, a Ukrainian political scientist, explaining that to most voters, Zelenskiy remained a "black box."

That might sound a bit like another recent TV-star-turned-president. Whatever one makes of Donald Trump’s presidency, however, few would argue his supporters didn’t get what they wanted. Trump has governed with the same irascible, abrasive style he made famous on "The Apprentice." Love him or hate him, Trump (another politician whose candidacy Putin welcomed) played himself.

It’s questionable that Zelenskiy, who plays a fictional president in a comedy called "Servant of the People" (think Martin Sheen’s character in the American series “The West Wing”), can pull off a similar feat.

What worries the actor’s detractors is that voters are about to hand the keys to a country of more than 40 million facing a long list of serious economic and strategic challenges to a 41-year-old political neophyte.

“There’s a danger,” Haran warned. “He’s incompetent in many spheres including the constitutional responsibilities of the presidency.”

Here too, many would make the same argument about Trump.

“It’s just a popular series that millions of people happen to love,” Zelenskiy recently told an interviewer.

Including, no doubt, at least one viewer in Moscow

[Shrillland]

Yep. it'll be on Sunday, and it's pretty obvious at this point that Zelensky's going to win it.

Not Zelensky - someone else:

Putin’s big Ukraine win by POLITICO
Volodymyr Zelenskiy is not who many voters think he is for the simple reason that they don’t know who that is

KIEV — Meet the presumptive victor of Sunday's presidential election in Ukraine: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

By all indications, comedian-turned-politician Volodymyr Zelenskiy will beat incumbent President Petro Poroshenko on Sunday. Polls suggest a landslide, with the upstart winning as much as 75 percent of the vote.

Yet make no mistake, no matter who comes first, the real winner will be sitting in the Kremlin.

"People project the image of the actor onto a candidate who played the president," said Oleksiy Haran, a Ukrainian political scientist, explaining that to most voters, Zelenskiy remained a "black box."

That might sound a bit like another recent TV-star-turned-president. Whatever one makes of Donald Trump’s presidency, however, few would argue his supporters didn’t get what they wanted. Trump has governed with the same irascible, abrasive style he made famous on "The Apprentice." Love him or hate him, Trump (another politician whose candidacy Putin welcomed) played himself.

It’s questionable that Zelenskiy, who plays a fictional president in a comedy called "Servant of the People" (think Martin Sheen’s character in the American series “The West Wing”), can pull off a similar feat.

What worries the actor’s detractors is that voters are about to hand the keys to a country of more than 40 million facing a long list of serious economic and strategic challenges to a 41-year-old political neophyte.

“There’s a danger,” Haran warned. “He’s incompetent in many spheres including the constitutional responsibilities of the presidency.”

Here too, many would make the same argument about Trump.

“It’s just a popular series that millions of people happen to love,” Zelenskiy recently told an interviewer.

Including, no doubt, at least one viewer in Moscow

He's on record as being pro-Western, anti-annexation, and wanting a referendum on NATO membership. That's not the mark of a pro-Russian candidate, I don't think.

[Novus America]

Not Zelensky - someone else:

Putin’s big Ukraine win by POLITICO
Volodymyr Zelenskiy is not who many voters think he is for the simple reason that they don’t know who that is

He's on record as being pro-Western, anti-annexation, and wanting a referendum on NATO membership. That's not the mark of a pro-Russian candidate, I don't think.

True, but we did not know what he actually believes and it appears an oligarch is pulling his strings. Russia will probably find him easier to manipulate and Russia will like that he will be completely unable to get anything done in the political system.

See Russia has probably given up on a true pro Russian candidate winning given that Russia ironically has largely destroyed the pro Russian political parties.

Russia instead is hell bent on making sure Ukraine is unsuccessful than actually ruling it, at least for now.

[Shofercia]

Ukraine's about to have elections. I predict that on February 30th, Ukraine will join the EU, and on February 31st - NATO

[Bahktar]

Ukraine's about to have elections. I predict that on February 30th, Ukraine will join the EU, and on February 31st - NATO

You're kidding - right?

Honestly, when I saw a poll on his support I just almost laughed and thought "wow, he is going to be blown out of the water" in regard to Poroshenko

Goodbye Poroshenko, Hello Zelensky. I'd say Poroshenko doesn't really have a chance to win.
I'll be surprised if Zelensky gets under 65% votes.

[Shofercia]

Ukraine's about to have elections. I predict that on February 30th, Ukraine will join the EU, and on February 31st - NATO

You're kidding - right?

Honestly, when I saw a poll on his support I just almost laughed and thought "wow, he is going to be blown out of the water" in regard to Poroshenko

Goodbye Poroshenko, Hello Zelensky. I'd say Poroshenko doesn't really have a chance to win.
I'll be surprised if Zelensky gets under 65% votes.

Check the dates

[Shofercia]

Na, nananana, nananana, nanana - Poroshenko's losing: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... in-ukraine

An exit poll from Urkaine's presidential election is giving comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy a commanding lead over incumbent Petro Poroshenko. Results from the exit poll released Sunday after voting stations closed showed Zelenskiy receiving 73.2% of the nationwide vote, Poroshenko 25.3%.

The poll conducted by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology and the Razumkov Center public opinion organization was based on more than 13,000 responses to face-to-face questions at 300 polling places as of 6 p.m., two hours before the polls closed. The poll claims a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -exit-poll

Ukrainian comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy has won the second round of a presidential election against the incumbent, Petro Poroshenko, by a landslide, a national exit poll showed. The poll on Sunday said Zelenskiy had won 73% of the vote and that Poroshenko had won just 25% of the vote.

And so the last drunk leader of Europe falls. Alcoholism is bad kids, don't do it.

[Shrillland]

Na, nananana, nananana, nanana - Poroshenko's losing: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... in-ukraine

An exit poll from Urkaine's presidential election is giving comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy a commanding lead over incumbent Petro Poroshenko. Results from the exit poll released Sunday after voting stations closed showed Zelenskiy receiving 73.2% of the nationwide vote, Poroshenko 25.3%.

The poll conducted by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology and the Razumkov Center public opinion organization was based on more than 13,000 responses to face-to-face questions at 300 polling places as of 6 p.m., two hours before the polls closed. The poll claims a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -exit-poll

Ukrainian comedian Volodymyr Zelenskiy has won the second round of a presidential election against the incumbent, Petro Poroshenko, by a landslide, a national exit poll showed. The poll on Sunday said Zelenskiy had won 73% of the vote and that Poroshenko had won just 25% of the vote.

And so the last drunk leader of Europe falls. Alcoholism is bad kids, don't do it.

Oh, we don't know if he's the last drunk leader. Who knows what the castelli of San Marino are like?

[Cerinda]

Well Zelensky has been elected. Hopefully he'll be a better president than Poroshenko and try to solve Ukraine's problems, wherever or not he'll actually do that is unknown for now.

[Shofercia]

Well Zelensky has been elected. Hopefully he'll be a better president than Poroshenko and try to solve Ukraine's problems, wherever or not he'll actually do that is unknown for now.

He'll definetely be a better president than Poroshenko, but that's a very low bar. The question is - can he rise to the challenge of leading Ukraine out of its Oligarchic, economic, and demographic hellhole? That'll be tough.

[Torrocca]

... I genuinely don't know how to feel about an entire country currently at war with Russia electing a comedian.

[Shofercia]

... I genuinely don't know how to feel about an entire country currently at war with Russia electing a comedian.

Russian leaks video of their debates on handling the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3zNCg55kiw

[Bahktar]

Well Zelensky has been elected. Hopefully he'll be a better president than Poroshenko and try to solve Ukraine's problems, wherever or not he'll actually do that is unknown for now.

He'll definetely be a better president than Poroshenko, but that's a very low bar. The question is - can he rise to the challenge of leading Ukraine out of its Oligarchic, economic, and demographic hellhole? That'll be tough.

Honestly, probably not.

Despite how skeptical I am of Zelensky, I wish him luck & prosperity to Ukraine. While I'm worried he'll get played by Russia, we'll see and I hope it'll all work out for Ukraine.

[Nea Byzantia]

Na, nananana, nananana, nanana - Poroshenko's losing: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/artic ... in-ukraine



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... -exit-poll



And so the last drunk leader of Europe falls. Alcoholism is bad kids, don't do it.

Oh, we don't know if he's the last drunk leader. Who knows what the castelli of San Marino are like?

In Eastern Europe, perhaps?

[Huldregard]

Bookmarking this

[Shrillland]

Bookmarking this

Why? The vote's over and the Rada election isn't for another six months, this is at least going dormant until August.

[Shrillland]

The Rada election's been scheduled for July 21, see OP for more details and enjoy the new poll: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458962#p35250030

[Shrillland]

Sorry for the absence from this thread..anyway, Zelensky's election decree is now being challenged in the Constitutional Court, and they're expected to issue a ruling at the end of this month.

In other news:
OP-FL member Viktor Medvedchuk has definitely ruled out running with OB - PMR again: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/06/6/7217357/

One Rada member has defected from the People's Will Party and joined Fatherland: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/06/6/7217351/

And Another has left European Solidarity to become an independent: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/06/6/7217330/

The Rada also voted today to refuse to accept Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin's resignation: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/06/6/7217321/

[San Carlos Islands]

Selected the Radicals for the poll. I actually support the National Corps party.

[Shrillland]

In the latest news, the Speaker of the Rada has submitted a list of 302 members that he claims were part of the governing coalition at the time of the dissolution....the coalition that Zelensky says is absent and is one of the reasons he's called an early vote. https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/06/14/7218131/

The Constitutional Court will have a formal decision passed down by June 29 at the latest.

[Shofercia]

In the latest news, the Speaker of the Rada has submitted a list of 302 members that he claims were part of the governing coalition at the time of the dissolution....the coalition that Zelensky says is absent and is one of the reasons he's called an early vote. https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2019/06/14/7218131/

The Constitutional Court will have a formal decision passed down by June 29 at the latest.

So Ukraine cannot into Parliamentary Elections?



Oh Ukraine, you're just the gift that keeps on giving. First laughter, then Crimea, what's next?