Islam, the future of social conservatism?

[VoVoDoCo]

Also that's interesting. I thought Islam prohibited drinking in general. Good to know.

[Hirota]

What virgins?

The Arabic word Ḥūriyyaẗ (حُورِيَّة) translates as black in white. In other words, these beings (حُورِيَّات, Ḥūriyyāt as the plural) are referred to as having pure eyes. They are never called virgins.

<shrugs>

Fictional sky fairies that may or may not have been fucked, or fictional sky fairies that have never been fucked. I guess one is just plain silly, whilst the other is just obvious and totally real right?

I remember now why I don't get involved in discussions with religious types and their silly obsessions

[Jolthig]

The Arabic word Ḥūriyyaẗ (حُورِيَّة) translates as black in white. In other words, these beings (حُورِيَّات, Ḥūriyyāt as the plural) are referred to as having pure eyes. They are never called virgins.

<shrugs>

Fictional sky fairies that may or may not have been fucked, or fictional sky fairies that have never been fucked. I guess one is just plain silly, whilst the other is just obvious and totally real right?

I remember now why I don't get involved in discussions with religious types and their silly obsessions

True. I am in an agreement with you as a religious person. To each, their own.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What are you talking about? Muslims shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

It's a tax. Just like Muslims have, which is zakah.

Well according to the Hadith it's if caught drunk. In the case of being caught in the act of drinking, I suspect it'd be confiscated.

But you'd be intolerant of Muslims that do correct?
Taxing people simply for being infidels is wrong. Just because you pay taxes doesn't make it okay.

I didn't say anything about infidels. Muslims pay zakah, non-Muslims pay jizyah. They're taxes laid to the state.

That's like saying, "Hey, Americans pay taxes anyway, why not add an extra tax on Muslims?"

Jizyah isn't an extra tax. It's a tax.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Also that's interesting. I thought Islam prohibited drinking in general. Good to know.

It does.

[The Grims]

But you'd be intolerant of Muslims that do correct?
Taxing people simply for being infidels is wrong. Just because you pay taxes doesn't make it okay.

I didn't say anything about infidels. Muslims pay zakah, non-Muslims pay jizyah. They're taxes laid to the state.

That's like saying, "Hey, Americans pay taxes anyway, why not add an extra tax on Muslims?"

Jizyah isn't an extra tax. It's a tax.

A tax which traditionally is far higher than the taxes muslims have to pay and was introduced for the explicit purpose of stimulating conversion, if google is trustworthy.

[Jolthig]

I didn't say anything about infidels. Muslims pay zakah, non-Muslims pay jizyah. They're taxes laid to the state.

Jizyah isn't an extra tax. It's a tax.

A tax which traditionally is far higher than the taxes muslims have to pay and was introduced for the explicit purpose of stimulating conversion, if google is trustworthy.

Other Google searches will say that jizya was lower than Zakat.

[Vaxian Imperium]

Probably not. Most of the western world is going towards irrelevance to religion while those who aren’t are (Poles for example) are firmly cemented in their beliefs for the most part.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Fictional sky fairies that may or may not have been fucked, or fictional sky fairies that have never been fucked. I guess one is just plain silly, whilst the other is just obvious and totally real right?

I remember now why I don't get involved in discussions with religious types and their silly obsessions

??? I never said anything about my beliefs. I am a translator.

[Spunkland]

No. Islam is not at all, even in the slightest, compatible with the values of the western world and there are many places in the Middle East specifically suited for Islam so if anyone likes it that much, you know where to go

[Free Arabian Nation]

No. Islam is not at all, even in the slightest, compatible with the values of the western world and there are many places in the Middle East specifically suited for Islam so if anyone likes it that much, you know where to go

As a Middle Eastern, I believe Islam (within the government anyways) should be purged from our land.

[Spunkland]

No. Islam is not at all, even in the slightest, compatible with the values of the western world and there are many places in the Middle East specifically suited for Islam so if anyone likes it that much, you know where to go

As a Middle Eastern, I believe Islam (within the government anyways) should be purged from our land.

Oh I sincerely wish you the best of luck with that. Also I admire your NS name.

[Sovaal]

Considering the entrenched roots of Christianity in western society, I doubt we see many culturally western social conservatives embrace Islam.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No. Islam is not at all, even in the slightest, compatible with the values of the western world and there are many places in the Middle East specifically suited for Islam so if anyone likes it that much, you know where to go

Not at all in the slightest? As in 0 Islamic and western values that are similar/same?

[The Grims]

Considering the entrenched roots of Christianity in western society, I doubt we see many culturally western social conservatives embrace Islam.

Why not ? Just start with affirming Jesus was a swell guy, then indicate Muhammed was cool as well and had strong conservative opinions on things like gay marriage, abortion and so on.

[Sirocca]

Considering the entrenched roots of Christianity in western society, I doubt we see many culturally western social conservatives embrace Islam.

Why not ? Just start with affirming Jesus was a swell guy, then indicate Muhammed was cool as well and had strong conservative opinions on things like gay marriage, abortion and so on.

Are people seriously asking for or wondering if Western social conservatives will embrace Islam? Really, they see radical Islam as almost immoral as progressivism.

[Sovaal]

Considering the entrenched roots of Christianity in western society, I doubt we see many culturally western social conservatives embrace Islam.

Why not ? Just start with affirming Jesus was a swell guy, then indicate Muhammed was cool as well and had strong conservative opinions on things like gay marriage, abortion and so on.

Because Western social conservatives are going to be attracted to the European values of the past, and the long history of clashes between the Western and Islamic worlds. There’s a reason that social conservatives in the west haven’t flocked to Islam in mass already, it’s for a long list of historical, cultural, and religious reasons.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It's nice to know that - at least some - neoreactionaries hate our society so much that they want radical Islam to destroy it.