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Vaccines shouldn't be mandatory but u should lose some privileges that other ppl have for the safety of the populace

I honestly feel like this whole anti-anti-vax craze is just gonna make more anti-vaxxers. It's really annoying to be constantly flooded with memes about how children without vaccines will die and I completely understand why some people think it feels really propoganda-ish and want to believe something edgy and contrary

Hatterleigh wrote:I honestly feel like this whole anti-anti-vax craze is just gonna make more anti-vaxxers. It's really annoying to be constantly flooded with memes about how children without vaccines will die and I completely understand why some people think it feels really propoganda-ish and want to believe something edgy and contrary

I personally don't feel it that way. Sure, both sides fight each other quite a lot on every social network platform possible, but if we just give up and let them believe whatever, it will get bigger and their anti-vaxxer memes and comments will engulf the entire thing.

Funny that not only we have the actual vaccines, we also have to stop the anti-vaxxer bug from catching more people and spreading.

Valentine Z wrote:

Hatterleigh wrote:I honestly feel like this whole anti-anti-vax craze is just gonna make more anti-vaxxers. It's really annoying to be constantly flooded with memes about how children without vaccines will die and I completely understand why some people think it feels really propoganda-ish and want to believe something edgy and contrary

I personally don't feel it that way. Sure, both sides fight each other quite a lot on every social network platform possible, but if we just give up and let them believe whatever, it will get bigger and their anti-vaxxer memes and comments will engulf the entire thing.

Funny that not only we have the actual vaccines, we also have to stop the anti-vaxxer bug from catching more people and spreading.

One group, Vitamin C & Orthomolecular Medicine for Optimal Health, tells its users that it is “not an anti-vax group”. Its leader, Katie Gironda, says: “This group needs to remain neutral on the vaccine topic.”

Yet anyone allowed into this closed group of about 49,000 approved members will find ample material questioning the safety of vaccines. They will also find recommendations for alternative remedies that are falsely claimed to protect against disease.

Gironda is listed on LinkedIn as CEO of an online business in Colorado selling high-dose vitamin C. Members of her closed group are encouraged to “shop now” – in one click they are linked directly to her firm, Revitalize Wellness.

The site sells vitamin C powder in bulk, with customers encouraged to give children aged two up to three grams a day whereas the recommended daily intake is 15mg. Twenty-four-pound bags of the powder cost $432.

Revitalize Wellness carries a disclaimer saying that its products are “not intended to treat, diagnose, cure or prevent disease”. But in conversation with members of her closed Facebook group, Gironda gives the opposite advice.

“Vitamin C has an amazing record of fighting the same diseases vaccines were made for,” she posts.

In another entry she says: “I think the cons outweigh the pros on vaccines … Through greed they became a weapon. Until they become safe and not driven by money I would avoid all vaccines.”

Gironda is also listed as an administrator of a separate Facebook group called Vitamin C Against Vaccine Damage. She welcomes new approved members to the group with this statement: “Science and experience of mass amounts of people have proven that vaccines CAN damage the body … Vitamin C is the safest and most effective way to protect from damage for those that are mandated to be vaccinated.”

After the Guardian contacted Gironda, the status of the group Vitamin C Against Vaccine Damage was changed from closed to secret. That put it into an even more heavily shrouded category that hides the group entirely from the view of non-members by taking it out of Facebook searches.

This sort of thing needs clamping down on, companies like Twitter and Facebook shouldn't be allowed to just say 'we just allow people to share information', especially since they allow for advertising based on people being interested in alternative medicines.

Hatterleigh wrote:Vaccines shouldn't be mandatory but u should lose some privileges that other ppl have for the safety of the populace

In Australia if you don’t vaccinate you lose government aid.

Vassenor wrote:Unpopular opinion: Refusing to vaccinate your child (without certification for extenuating circumstances from a recognised medical professional) should be considered child abuse.

Not really an unpopular opinion.

Geneviev wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Better than potentially dying of easily preventable diseases.

Make vaccination mandatory and don't allow religious exemptions. But leave children with their parents unless it's absolutely necessary to take them away.

Child Abuse is a legitimate reason to take kids away

Farnhamia wrote:

Geneviev wrote:In the US, their children have to go to school. Anti-vaxxers won't all homeschool.

California has one of the toughest laws in the country and they're still struggling.

Time to start making not vaccinating your child a class C felony. That means you can spend upwards of 25 years in jail

Thermodolia wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:California has one of the toughest laws in the country and they're still struggling.

Time to start making not vaccinating your child a class C felony. That means you can spend upwards of 25 years in jail

Or, we temporarily remove the kids from custody to get them vaccinated fine the parents the cost, and then make sure to watch the family for further evidence of abuse after returning the kid.

Bombadil wrote:
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This sort of thing needs clamping down on, companies like Twitter and Facebook shouldn't be allowed to just say 'we just allow people to share information', especially since they allow for advertising based on people being interested in alternative medicines.

Oh dear me, that sounds dangerous for everyone involved... Now look, I actually love the Vitamin C tablets, and apart from giving me the Vitamin C I need (or give me like 533% more than I really need), they are really tasty!

With that said...... I still succumb to normal illnesses now and then, like the typical flu. Granted, Vitamin C can boost your immune system, but I will not rely on these little tablets to counter every single disease known to man.

I also wish Facebook/Twitter/etc would shut down these kind of stuff, but then you will have people going "Crap, there goes our freedom! This is censorship!" but for me... it's better to have a little bit of freedom taken away to take the voice of these people and whatever else they are selling this Sunday.

Here in Australia (IRL), you don’t recieve any sort of welfare or child benefits if you don’t vaccinate your children. Not sure if there is any study’s into its effectiveness yet, might be too early to tell. But IMHO mandatory vaccination is a good route if this system fails to work.

Deary me... Can anyone say, "cult"?

Also, I love how she claims she is against vaccines as being for-profit, but also wants 430 bucks for a bag of expensive pee (anything the body doesn't use is just going to be peed out. Vitamin C is water-soluble.). I mean, yeah, 24 pounds is a lot of powder, but come on...

Jebslund wrote:

Bombadil wrote:One group, Vitamin C & Orthomolecular Medicine for Optimal Health, tells its users that it is “not an anti-vax group”. Its leader, Katie Gironda, says: “This group needs to remain neutral on the vaccine topic.”

Yet anyone allowed into this closed group of about 49,000 approved members will find ample material questioning the safety of vaccines. They will also find recommendations for alternative remedies that are falsely claimed to protect against disease.

Gironda is listed on LinkedIn as CEO of an online business in Colorado selling high-dose vitamin C. Members of her closed group are encouraged to “shop now” – in one click they are linked directly to her firm, Revitalize Wellness.

The site sells vitamin C powder in bulk, with customers encouraged to give children aged two up to three grams a day whereas the recommended daily intake is 15mg. Twenty-four-pound bags of the powder cost $432.

Revitalize Wellness carries a disclaimer saying that its products are “not intended to treat, diagnose, cure or prevent disease”. But in conversation with members of her closed Facebook group, Gironda gives the opposite advice.

“Vitamin C has an amazing record of fighting the same diseases vaccines were made for,” she posts.

In another entry she says: “I think the cons outweigh the pros on vaccines … Through greed they became a weapon. Until they become safe and not driven by money I would avoid all vaccines.”

Gironda is also listed as an administrator of a separate Facebook group called Vitamin C Against Vaccine Damage. She welcomes new approved members to the group with this statement: “Science and experience of mass amounts of people have proven that vaccines CAN damage the body … Vitamin C is the safest and most effective way to protect from damage for those that are mandated to be vaccinated.”

After the Guardian contacted Gironda, the status of the group Vitamin C Against Vaccine Damage was changed from closed to secret. That put it into an even more heavily shrouded category that hides the group entirely from the view of non-members by taking it out of Facebook searches.

This sort of thing needs clamping down on, companies like Twitter and Facebook shouldn't be allowed to just say 'we just allow people to share information', especially since they allow for advertising based on people being interested in alternative medicines.

Deary me... Can anyone say, "cult"?

Also, I love how she claims she is against vaccines as being for-profit, but also wants 430 bucks for a bag of expensive pee (anything the body doesn't use is just going to be peed out. Vitamin C is water-soluble.). I mean, yeah, 24 pounds is a lot of powder, but come on...

I presume this lot is also blissfully unaware that huge excess amounts of vitamin C can cause kidney failure and liver damage.

Jebslund wrote:

Bombadil wrote:One group, Vitamin C & Orthomolecular Medicine for Optimal Health, tells its users that it is “not an anti-vax group”. Its leader, Katie Gironda, says: “This group needs to remain neutral on the vaccine topic.”

Yet anyone allowed into this closed group of about 49,000 approved members will find ample material questioning the safety of vaccines. They will also find recommendations for alternative remedies that are falsely claimed to protect against disease.

Gironda is listed on LinkedIn as CEO of an online business in Colorado selling high-dose vitamin C. Members of her closed group are encouraged to “shop now” – in one click they are linked directly to her firm, Revitalize Wellness.

The site sells vitamin C powder in bulk, with customers encouraged to give children aged two up to three grams a day whereas the recommended daily intake is 15mg. Twenty-four-pound bags of the powder cost $432.

Revitalize Wellness carries a disclaimer saying that its products are “not intended to treat, diagnose, cure or prevent disease”. But in conversation with members of her closed Facebook group, Gironda gives the opposite advice.

“Vitamin C has an amazing record of fighting the same diseases vaccines were made for,” she posts.

In another entry she says: “I think the cons outweigh the pros on vaccines … Through greed they became a weapon. Until they become safe and not driven by money I would avoid all vaccines.”

Gironda is also listed as an administrator of a separate Facebook group called Vitamin C Against Vaccine Damage. She welcomes new approved members to the group with this statement: “Science and experience of mass amounts of people have proven that vaccines CAN damage the body … Vitamin C is the safest and most effective way to protect from damage for those that are mandated to be vaccinated.”

After the Guardian contacted Gironda, the status of the group Vitamin C Against Vaccine Damage was changed from closed to secret. That put it into an even more heavily shrouded category that hides the group entirely from the view of non-members by taking it out of Facebook searches.

This sort of thing needs clamping down on, companies like Twitter and Facebook shouldn't be allowed to just say 'we just allow people to share information', especially since they allow for advertising based on people being interested in alternative medicines.

Deary me... Can anyone say, "cult"?

Also, I love how she claims she is against vaccines as being for-profit, but also wants 430 bucks for a bag of expensive pee (anything the body doesn't use is just going to be peed out. Vitamin C is water-soluble.). I mean, yeah, 24 pounds is a lot of powder, but come on...

To me it screams less cult more... "marketing scam".

This woman claims the "problem" is vaccines -- which she's not against, per se -- and she luckily sells the solution... for a shitload of money.

Yeah, that's really more of a marketing scam, to me.

And I agree with Bombadil that Facebook and Twitter should clamp down on blatantly misleading and potentially harmful (such as an overdose of Vitamin C, being advised for toddlers) being pedalled there.

The Free Joy State wrote:To me it screams less cult more... "marketing scam".

This woman claims the "problem" is vaccines -- which she's not against, per se -- and she luckily sells the solution... for a shitload of money.

Yeah, that's really more of a marketing scam, to me.

And I agree with Bombadil that Facebook and Twitter should clamp down on blatantly misleading and potentially harmful (such as an overdose of Vitamin C, being advised for toddlers) being pedalled there.

I would be inclined to say marketing scam, too, were it not for the hiding of her anti-vax group after the media starting asking her questions. First thing cults like to do is hide themselves and isolate their followers from outsiders. I'm willing to bet people in the group were *encouraged* to only speak of the group to people they believe will join it.

What if we took all the antivaxxers and put them somplace else where they can only affect themselves. Like Nevada, Mississippi, or North Dakota? Just quarantine them from everyone else, make that border wall around the antivaxxers, and let nature take its course. We can check back in a few decades or whenever the smell gets too noticeable.

The Free Joy State wrote:

Jebslund wrote:

Deary me... Can anyone say, "cult"?

Also, I love how she claims she is against vaccines as being for-profit, but also wants 430 bucks for a bag of expensive pee (anything the body doesn't use is just going to be peed out. Vitamin C is water-soluble.). I mean, yeah, 24 pounds is a lot of powder, but come on...

To me it screams less cult more... "marketing scam".

This woman claims the "problem" is vaccines -- which she's not against, per se -- and she luckily sells the solution... for a shitload of money.

Yeah, that's really more of a marketing scam, to me.

And I agree with Bombadil that Facebook and Twitter should clamp down on blatantly misleading and potentially harmful (such as an overdose of Vitamin C, being advised for toddlers) being pedalled there.

Vitamin C? Scam? Profitability.

Is this woman Big Orange Juice?

Aeritai wrote:

The Untied Federation of Russia wrote:I remember the good old days when people accpeted science as fact and not fiction I do miss those days when everyone understood science and didn't see it as a evil force.

Its a sad day that the ideas of pseudoscience has taking over the minds of humans.

Pseudoscience is the reason why we have Anti-Vaxxers in the first place.

And you wonder why humanity is going backwards instead of forwards.

Believing a completely discredited fraud, listening to braid-dead celebrities, and being anti-science is the answer to most of questions about "why do we have this completely avoidable problem?"

The of Japan wrote:Vaccinations should be mandatory unless you have an allergy to the vaccine.

Yes. This, essentially, is what herd immunity is all about.

Wow, something that people from both sides of the political spectrum can agree on. I think mandatory immunization is a great idea and should be enacted into law. When I was in school, I had to get vaccinations or I couldn't go to school.

American Pere Housh wrote:Wow, something that people from both sides of the political spectrum can agree on. I think mandatory immunization is a great idea and should be enacted into law. When I was in school, I had to get vaccinations or I couldn't go to school.

Rightists and leftists don’t want their kids to die of easily preventable diseases, what a damn shocker!

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

American Pere Housh wrote:Wow, something that people from both sides of the political spectrum can agree on. I think mandatory immunization is a great idea and should be enacted into law. When I was in school, I had to get vaccinations or I couldn't go to school.

Rightists and leftists don’t want their kids to die of easily preventable diseases, what a damn shocker!

It is nice to have those few things that we can all come together to rip on though.